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Millemissen
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Millemissen posted on Sun, Jul 30 2017 9:27 AM

Before the hype is getting unstoppable, I'd like to know what are the pros and cons of having a Loewe tv?

Is it only good if you compare it to a standalone BeoVision?

Or is it also good, when you already have a otherweise well functioning Beo-ecosystem/BeoLink setup?

Or a BeoVision as a full multichannel setup?

Does it require a radical change of your existing setup, then?

Is it worth sacrificing eg the excellent BV11 with PUC-controlled external devices linked to old and new B&O audio devices and other BV's.....controlled by one remote?

So, what are the pros and cons of exchanging the BV for a Loewe tv?

(How much/how often would you benefit from the cons - eg the picture specs - in daily living with the tv)

For whom/in which situations is a Loewe tv better?

And what if a new BV had roughly the same pricetag as a Loewe Bild 7/9?

MM

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One of the few alternatives with integrated motorised stands.

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Lee has to answer that excellent question when he'll have a minute !

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CB replied on Sun, Jul 30 2017 9:51 AM
Steve gave a beginning of an answer in Lee´s part 2 thread.
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Excellent designs, state of the art panels, stable software, great sound and all at "relatively" modest price.

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Simonbeo replied on Sun, Jul 30 2017 10:00 AM

What's the provenance of the sets? The company was taken over by a Chinese company a while back. Is the product Chinese and German branded? I'm totally aware that the V1 was from the land of the Skoda but being " Danishish " was appealing. 

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Pros: Premium TV in a price range the customer is willing to pay the extra money against a "standard television"

e.g. Bild7:  55"OLED, HDR, Sourround processor inbuild, really good sound, motorized stand, stable software, +/- 6000€

Nice Gadgets like "fast channel switching" as  in the good old days and with the Loewe App you can stream your TV channels to your I-pad

Cons: No PUC. no BR One, no NetLink with B&O, but you can connect it within the Loewe Range (so more or less the same).

For that kind of money, you even don't get a BV14-40" with standard fret. And the Horizon as the only cheaper alternative tv can't control motorized stands (in my eyes the biggest mistake B&O made), and has less good sound than the V1.

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Simonbeo:

What's the provenance of the sets? The company was taken over by a Chinese company a while back. Is the product Chinese and German branded? I'm totally aware that the V1 was from the land of the Skoda but being " Danishish " was appealing.

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I'm under the impression that their OLED TV's are assembled in Germany using OLED panels sourced from LGDisplay.

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9 LEE replied on Sun, Jul 30 2017 11:07 AM

Millemissen:

Before the hype is getting unstoppable, I'd like to know what are the pros and cons of having a Loewe tv?

Okay, this was clearly not my intention to start any hype about Loewe.  I was very careful to phrase Loewe as an alternative, or an addition - not a replacement for B&O you should have in your home, right now, because B&O is rubbish...  B&O is not rubbish, and B&O can offer things Loewe cannot. For a price, yes, but they're there.

Rather than just pop a Loewe banner on here, and let you all scratch your heads wondering why - I took a whole afternoon to write up exactly what was happening, and how I'd come to that point. I did it out of respect for you guys, not to start a 'war of brands'.

I'm a B&O fan, I always will be.  I'd be a homeless B&O fan if I blindly carried on like this, though - so things had to change. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but my family, my staff and my future come first. You'd do exactly the same.

I'll be having the technical training shortly, and I can assure you the instructor will be sick of me asking questions by the end of it. I will find out everything - and make informed, impartial decisions - and share them with you if you like!  

As for Loewe being Chinese, I'm not sure about that?  As far as I'm aware it's a German company, owned by Germans. The OLED panels are LG (as B&O will be using in the Eclipse) and the sets are assembled at the Loewe factory, in Germany.  I'll be asking the question though, don't worry.

B&O Loudspeakers can be connected, easily. B&O Loudspeakers are superb - and Loewe will, I'm sure, freely admit they're nowhere near Bang & Olufsen in the Loudspeaker department.  As B&O place less emphasis on TV's, Loewe place more emphasis.  As B&O place more emphasis on Loudspeakers, Loewe are happy to carry on as they are - with lower end solutions on the whole.  I can't see the brands going head-to-head, I simply see them as a compliment to each other when a customer has a BV7 with BL8000/6000/BL2 and can't afford to upgrade to a BV14, Horizon, or Eclipse.  He/She can keep the speakers, enjoy fantastic B&O sound - and have a modern TV with the latest specs.

So, finally, and once again I will say - I am not 'leaving B&O' and I will continue to deal in pre-owned, but (through no fault of my own, and no lack of trying) the numbers will be down.  I'll always be here, I'll always love the brand, and if I'm ever welcome again in Struer after this, I'll continue to do reviews and engage with some wonderful people I've had the pleasure to meet in Denmark.

Lee

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Pros:

Bild 5 OLED 55" with its soundbar and stand at 4.000 EUR vs Horizon 48" outdated panel & buggy software at 4.800 EUR

Cons:

BeoRemote One is 10x more beautiful :), if multiroom would work then it is great to have B&O integration, I still prefer Horizon's design compared any other TV set I've seen (even if I like Bild 5 OLED very, very much)

In other words, Loewe for me is a compromise I am willing to make since B&O is obviously taking their customers for granted with overpriced yet s****y products lately.

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9 LEE:

Millemissen:

Before the hype is getting unstoppable, I'd like to know what are the pros and cons of having a Loewe tv?

Okay, this was clearly not my intention to start any hype about Loewe.  

Honestly, I was not thinking of you as I started the thread.

It is just that Loewe has been mentioned several times in the past on the forum - so often that one might think of it as a real replacement for a BV.

I do respect your decitions for your business.

There are several B&O stores in DK, that also sell Loewe products and have been selling for quite a while - I am quite used to that.

I think that you have made a right choice - selling preused B&O nowadays is nothing to get rich from (as a buyer of preused B&O I am more pleased, I must admit) - I do wish you good luck.

And I would not want to question your loyality to the B&O brand in general, not at all!

 

In your post above you mentioned Loewe as being supreriour to B&O, when it comes to picture/tv (although that might rapidly change soon).

And you mentioned B&O being superiour to Loewe, when it comes to speakers.

I'd like to add a third 'thing', that is seldom mentioned in the discussions here: the audio engine working in any BV (and in the modern Sound System as well)!

I can't see any one else reaching that level - it is an integrated part of the modern BV and it is a great deal of what makes a BV special.

 

A Loewe tv can imo certainly be an alternative for some users in some cases - but they can by far not replace a good BV (which we have had with the BV11 etc and hopefully with the coming BV Eclipse and more to come).

That was the reason for starting this thread - people should find out what they need, before buying into a Loewe tv - to avoid disappointment.

 

MM

 

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

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AnalogPlanet:
In other words, Loewe for me is a compromise I am willing to make since B&O is obviously taking their customers for granted with overpriced yet s****y products lately.

This sums up exactly my own position with regard to B&O. Simon.

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A bit like punishing B&O, when you buy Loewe ;-))

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

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Asiseeit replied on Sun, Jul 30 2017 11:11 PM

Considering I sell both brands now, I can only give my observations. B&O have had a sticky 12 plus months with s/w. It has cost me business and only the skill of sales and technical staff avoided greater customer dissatisfaction. That is largely in the past with some glitches still to be addressed...I hope B&O has learnt multiple lessons here....we shall see. 

Loewe for me is the perfect brand to "hoover" up the substantial number of potential clients who baulk at B&O prices and made their way to John Lewis or PC World for a Samsung. It is a lovely thing offering European style and does rather nicely. It is however nothing like B&O in usability terms, finish or sound. They were a relief for the troops selling them as instantly, there seemed to be no s/w issues! Again, whether that continues, we shall see.

To sum up, B&O has a great deal more to offer in terms of integration, sound, finish and sheer style but Loewe is a marvelous second eleven. I'll revisit this page after the selling season and give an honest appraisal of both brands in terms of popularity and performance. 

PS I've also signed up for the new(ish) B&O shop fit. How's that for a vote of confidence from an old campaigner!  

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What i have forgotten to write in my statement above.

..... but if i hide the aspect of the prize difference, i´d always take a BV  Yes - thumbs up

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