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vlohjr1 Posted: Mon, Jun 5 2017 7:39 PM
Would this signal the end of the moment?
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B&O will support Airplay 2... good news.

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Is AirPlay a software or hardware update?

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jimcaj replied on Mon, Jun 5 2017 8:38 PM

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moxxey replied on Mon, Jun 5 2017 8:58 PM

leogoeswild:
Is AirPlay 2 a software or hardware update?

I think AirPlay 2 will require new hardware as it enables the hardware to "talk" to other Apple devices. You won't be able to download AirPlay 2 to, say, your A9.

My concerning (in terms of affecting B&O's future) for me would be HomePod. Looks like a significantly powerful home speaker for a very low price.

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andy_js replied on Mon, Jun 5 2017 9:08 PM

I hate to say it, but it probably will.  Homekit integration usually needs hardware support for the encryption.  Rendering all of the Airplay compatible kit out there obsolete sounds like a bad business plan to me, so maybe they'll loosen those requirements instead.  I have my doubts though.

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leogoeswild:
Is AirPlay a software or hardware update?

This is what an Apple note (see actual apple site about the new features in iOS11) says to this:

'AirPlay 2 may require a software update to existing speakers or new hardware depending on speaker manufacturer'

So I guess, that we will have to wait B&O to get the right answer, when it comes to their devices - for which products will be updateable?

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benoit replied on Mon, Jun 5 2017 9:32 PM

Millemissen:

leogoeswild:
Is AirPlay a software or hardware update?

This is what an Apple note (see actual apple site about the new features in iOS11) says to this:

'AirPlay 2 may require a software update to existing speakers or new hardware depending on speaker manufacturer'

So I guess, that we will have to wait B&O to get the right answer, when it comes to their devices - for which products will be updateable?

MM

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That's it, I'm done. Bluetooth is also about to change to 5, from 4.2. Yet more new kit needed.

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benoit:

If it needs a hardware update I thing I'll sell my BS2 and forget about B&O Sad

Easy now!

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But saying that, they're going to sell millions of these. Detects the room to adapt its sound like the 5s! £300.......

https://www.apple.com/homepod/

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Beold replied on Mon, Jun 5 2017 9:58 PM

Finally real multiroom with airplay.

Apple have been soooo behind here.

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jimcaj replied on Mon, Jun 5 2017 10:01 PM
I noticed that Bluesound were also mentioned. But hey, they don't support Airplay!?

From their support pages: "Bluesound does not support Apple Airplay in its native environment. Bluesound Gen 2 Players however allow for an Apple Airport to be connected using the Analog In port on the back panel...."
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jimcaj replied on Mon, Jun 5 2017 10:28 PM
.. and kudos to Naim. They already announced support on named devices:

http://forums.naimaudio.com/topic/apple-announces-new-functionality-airplay-2

Fingers crossed for my new M5.
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moxxey replied on Mon, Jun 5 2017 10:51 PM

benoit:

If it needs a hardware update I thing I'll sell my BS2 and forget about B&O Sad

Of course it will - AirPlay 2 requires the hardware to support the software. You can't reengineer new standards back in to old hardware. But, you can't blame B&O. How can you? It's an Apple standard and it's them that moved the goalposts.

Besides, your BS2 isn't suddenly unusable, any different. Just means it won't support some of the AirPlay 2 functionality. In exactly the same way that my iPad Air 2 won't support some of the forthcoming iOS 11 features.

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benoit replied on Mon, Jun 5 2017 10:56 PM

jimcaj:
.. and kudos to Naim. They already announced support on named devices:

 

 

http://forums.naimaudio.com/topic/apple-announces-new-functionality-airplay-2

 

 

Fingers crossed for my new M5.

I'm not sure but I understand that it's not an update for existing devices but a new integration for the new speakers... In this case it's not a good omen ...

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Mark-N replied on Mon, Jun 5 2017 11:33 PM

Would this kill the current AirPlay functionality in the B&O products?  I would be happy just to have the functionality I have now.

 

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andy_js replied on Mon, Jun 5 2017 11:38 PM

New standards are engineered into old hardware all the time with software and firmware updates.  And when a hardware update is required, some vendors have a solution for that too.  But until Apple post the spec for Airplay 2 on their developer side we can only guess what's required.

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...unless someone from B&O tells us.

They ought to know by now.

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Michael replied on Tue, Jun 6 2017 12:07 AM

Chris Townsend:
That's it, I'm done. Bluetooth is also about to change to 5, from 4.2. Yet more new kit needed.

 

 

 

 

 

You can continue using your stuff as you do today. I am curious about the HomePod, and it is very agressively priced. Very interesting with competition in the field. 

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Mark-N replied on Tue, Jun 6 2017 12:28 AM

Michael:
I am curious about the HomePod, and it is very agressively priced. Very interesting with competition in the field. 

I was just over at MacRumors and it seems that everyone there thinks it is very overpriced!  They wanted it priced around $200.  I guess they are not the target audience for the BeoSound 1 or 2!

 

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Maybe we should hear how it sounds first Stick out tongue
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moxxey replied on Tue, Jun 6 2017 8:18 AM

leogoeswild:
Maybe we should hear how it sounds first Stick out tongue

There's a first opinion here: https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/5/15743886/homepod-audio-quality-demo-echo-sonos-bass

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Sandyb replied on Tue, Jun 6 2017 10:04 AM
We also don't know what the integration with other streaming services will be like....given Apple's history I'd suspect it to be left limited for a while.....as someone not keen on voice control (at least until it gets a lot better), I can't get too excited by the new product....
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Demo set up by apple to promote their product. Not trustworthy for me Smile

It is an exiting product, but I would like to hear reviews from use in regular rooms Big Smile
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Andrew replied on Tue, Jun 6 2017 12:50 PM

Good news that Amazon Prime is coming later this year to all Apple TV's - no more having to stream it - makes the Apple TV, for me anyway, an all in one solution with no need for anything else connected to my TV.

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Well.. according to the B&O posting it should be OK...

"In Bang & Olufsen, we put people before technology - catering for the way people live. So, we are naturally extremely pleased that all Apple users can now get the opportunity to play music in a multiroom setting via AirPlay2 to get the full Bang & Olufsen experience"

... probably there's already some Airplay2 hardware in the "newer" devices... activated through some soft/firmware update?

Karel.

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Mark-N replied on Tue, Jun 6 2017 5:39 PM

I know the January firmware update for the BeoSound 1/2, Essence Mk II, BeoSound 35, and BeoPlay A6/A9 had a similar multi-room update:

- Apple AirPlay can now be distributed over BeoLink Multiroom. It requires an activation via the product settings.

I don't know if this means all these are good-to-go for AirPlay 2, or does the "newer" devices only extend to the BeoSound 1/2, or does it go back a couple of years to the Essence Mk II generation.  While I wouldn't mind eventually upgrading my Essence Mk II, I don't want to have to upgrade the A6 just yet.

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Mark-N replied on Tue, Jun 6 2017 9:28 PM

Actually it sounds like B&O's statement is more about how they are ok with Apple coming up with their own version of multi-room, rather than a statement about backward compatibility with their current systems.  I can only hope that Apple would have designed AirPlay 2 without obsoleting the original AirPlay.  I don't know how long B&O knew about the specs of AirPlay 2 to have designed it into BeoSound 1/2 and M5.

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Sandyb replied on Tue, Jun 6 2017 10:07 PM

Some hope I guess that newer products at least might be firmware upgradeable
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mawheele replied on Tue, Jun 6 2017 10:58 PM
moxxey:

Of course it will - AirPlay 2 requires the hardware to support the software. You can't reengineer new standards back in to old hardware. But, you can't blame B&O. How can you? It's an Apple standard and it's them that moved the goalposts.

Besides, your BS2 isn't suddenly unusable, any different. Just means it won't support some of the AirPlay 2 functionality. In exactly the same way that my iPad Air 2 won't support some of the forthcoming iOS 11 features.

Apple are currently saying that for the most part it's a firmware upgrade only. To early to tell the situation on precise B&o products, however the signs are hopeful
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mawheele replied on Tue, Jun 6 2017 11:01 PM
Michael:

You can continue using your stuff as you do today. I am curious about the HomePod, and it is very agressively priced. Very interesting with competition in the field.

Unlikely. What is likely is that they are only getting full specs this week at wwdc. Sharing earlier will have been to high a risk with HomePod. Sounds like they have a solid marketing agreement though. Although I'd say B&o has little or no choice but to play along.
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andy_js replied on Wed, Jun 7 2017 12:43 AM

It would seem unlikely to me that those companies would sign up as Airplay 2 partners without having at least a look at the spec.  I would not be surprised if they also had input.  I have hopes that B&O were able to get whatever they needed into the spec to allow for tighter integration of Airplay and Beolink.

The way things work now is clunky; If someone is using Beolink to play something on a speaker the same speaker shows up in iTunes as "available" for example.  And when streaming Airplay to a B&O device there is no metadata (track, album, artist, etc) but that could be specific to B&O.

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leogoeswild:

Maybe we should hear how it sounds first

We don't apply that standard for B&O !

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Andrew:

Good news that Amazon Prime is coming later this year to all Apple TV's - no more having to stream it - makes the Apple TV, for me anyway, an all in one solution with no need for anything else connected to my TV.

I suspect, reading the tea leaves of the way Cook stated things, that there will be another ATV before Christmas ...

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Roger replied on Wed, Jun 7 2017 7:31 AM

My old BeoLit 12 with AirPlay-only can only be trusted with a lightning cable between it and my iPhone - the other devices with Bluetooth, however, always work. If AirPlay 2 is about catching up with Bluetooth, making it reliable, and adding multiroom (which I can do today via the old AirPlay if I stream from my iMac, and don't mind the dropouts).

Sounds like Apple is trying to catch up, not move the game on - and if that also excludes Spotify and Deezer from Multiroom (HomePod seems to be Apple Music only), then I am not worried about not having the "2" behind Airplay.

And as English is not my native language I could not care less about voice control. Siri in Norwegian is more frustrating than helpful.

But Apple is very good at selling this - as this thread proves.

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Sandyb replied on Wed, Jun 7 2017 9:35 AM

reading a write up on Macworld, the HomePod is designed to work with Apple Music, which is completely unsurprising.......so while it may allow airplay to the HomePod from other streaming services on your iDevice, its largely a move to support their Apple Music business.......i really wouldn't worry as a B&O customer, perhaps some existing and newer B&O speakers will support Airplay 2, but probably only the multi-room aspect.....i wouldn't expect the voice activation aspects to be present in anything other than the HomePod....so if voice control isn't your thing (me too), the HomePod / Airplay 2 announcement isn't that consequential......and thats before even considering NAS stored DLNA music........

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tph replied on Wed, Jun 7 2017 1:18 PM

Sandyb:

i really wouldn't worry as a B&O customer, perhaps some existing and newer B&O speakers will support Airplay 2, but probably only the multi-room aspect.....i wouldn't expect the voice activation aspects to be present in anything other than the HomePod...

As I understand it, direct voice activation (Siri) is not really a part of the AirPlay 2 spec – it's specifically a feature of the HomePod, because it has appropriate hardware and software built into it.

However, being that AirPlay 2 speakers should play nice with HomeKit, and HomeKit works with Siri, I would guess any AirPlay 2 speaker would allow control via Siri through iOS devices: "Hey Siri, play my favourites on the living room BeoSound 2"

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Sandyb replied on Wed, Jun 7 2017 8:00 PM
Possibly, though limited by what HomeKit is able to control......can HomeKit play anything other than Apple Music and Podcasts? I thoroughly doubt it...so if Apple Music/ Podcasts are your thing, the new speaker might be worth a look, but if you want to stick with B&O speakers, AirPlay 2 won't offer much more than a bit easier multi room, and even then that's not something we really lack at the moment.....be happy to be proved wrong
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egges replied on Thu, Jun 8 2017 1:52 PM

my dealer just sent me a message, that B&O is about to support AirPlay 2 with all wireless speaker-systems, so don´t panic. as far as i understand will Siri be another remote for e.g. the BeoSound 2 - cool!!!

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