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TWG
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TWG posted on Thu, Mar 2 2017 8:31 AM

https://www.beoplay.com/landingpages/beolit17


New:

- alarm
- skip tracks from your device via Beolit 17 (but just forward, no backward)
- USB C
- faster charging
- tone touch (custom playlist via touch of the button)
- last track played

two colors:
- natural
- stone grey

if "stone grey" is the same color as on the Beoplay A1 it'll look great (only the color, the A1 still looks just ugly and stays unergonomical) Wink

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Michael
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Mikael:

moxxey:

The cable compartment is removed to allow for an improved sound. So there is some difference sound wise between Beolit 15 and 17.

But, like you, I doubt there is any significant difference.

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I think there is zero sound improvement because of that but it was rather removed since you have to use a bigger external adapter now - a flaw in that kind of product I'd say - meaning the bl12 design that bl15 has was more optimal for a portable speaker - since you wouldn't forget the clumps adapter - it's built in! :)

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Jeff replied on Sat, Mar 4 2017 11:49 AM

The main "improvement" in sound I could imagine coming from removing the power charger and cable hole would be more bass, but the 15 can be a bit bass heavy as it is.

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Michael:
Mikael:

 

moxxey:

 

The cable compartment is removed to allow for an improved sound. So there is some difference sound wise between Beolit 15 and 17.

 

But, like you, I doubt there is any significant difference.

 

Beoplay V1 with Beo4, Beolab 14.4 and ATV4/Chromecast.

 

Beoplay A2, A9, H2, H3, H8.

 

 

I think there is zero sound improvement because of that but it was rather removed since you have to use a bigger external adapter now - a flaw in that kind of product I'd say - meaning the bl12 design that bl15 has was more optimal for a portable speaker - since you wouldn't forget the clumps adapter - it's built in! :)

It's more likely the cable compartment was an appealing thing to delete because of its fragile push-push latch. This broke on our Beolit 12 and we got a full refund as it couldn't be fixed. The 15 had just been launched so there were no replacement Beolit 12s to give us.

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Jeff replied on Sat, Mar 4 2017 6:05 PM

This makes the third version of the initial concept in what, a bit over 4 years? It can't be efficient or low cost to have to try three times to hit the sweet spot on product development (if this is even the right incarnation of the concept). This reeks of throwing things against the wall to see if they stick way before they are either properly designed and/or you've figured the market out. A3, released and discontinued, A1 and A2 and such, seems to me like B&O rushed a lot of product to market before it was ready and well thought out, probably to make investors and potential buyers think they had a full product portfolio and are paying for it with seemingly endless tweaks and discontinuation of products. They made the BS9000 for what, 18 years, and the BL8000 for about 25 years, but now they churn product like crazy. Hard to make much cash when you constantly are involved in redesigning, remarketing, and redoing your production processes for new products. After you design it, you have to setup the assembly line and procure parts suppliers and write your production and test procedures (well, maybe no test procedures given how many products are showing up with severe problems particularly dealing with wireless performance in the real world).

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The A3 was and still is a good product but was dependent on Apple . This is much more than the CD players based on standardised media. To my knowledge the Beolit 17 still cannot wake you in the morning with radio from the web? More important to me is the opportunities taken to costsave from 12 to 15 with the speaker grille and the leather strap. I'm just reassured to see the quality of the Beoplay H4 headphones I purchased today back to premium levels.

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I have begun to wonder how different these products reallt are internally - are they just taking someone else's internals and wrapping them in a box to get them on the shelves as quickly as possible?

What is/was the S3? A small mains powered bluetooth speaker that had barely landed before it was heavily discounted from just about everyone, plays bluetooth and has a line in that is pretty much useless to anyone who knows that beats 'phones aren't hifi!

Been/gone next please!.......And this is the way forward???

 

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The A3 became obsolete as soon as the Apple connector changed its size. This was beyond the control of B&O. 

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Jeff replied on Sat, Mar 4 2017 8:41 PM

Well, changing the design to incorporate the new connector certainly was an engineering feat on a par with Apollo. In all seriousness, the only possible reason for not making a change so that you could swap in either connector had to be it just wasn't selling, as originally it was too expensive IMO. At the 100 dollars I paid for it it was a deal, but not at the original price.

I think Puncher has it right, there have to be a lot of shared internals I would think. Unfortunately, the internals, like wifi and such, were crap to begin with so the problems/issues were endemic across the lines.

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Jeff:

Well, changing the design to incorporate the new connector certainly was an engineering feat on a par with Apollo. In all seriousness, the only possible reason for not making a change so that you could swap in either connector had to be it just wasn't selling, as originally it was too expensive IMO. At the 100 dollars I paid for it it was a deal, but not at the original price.

I think Puncher has it right, there have to be a lot of shared internals I would think. Unfortunately, the internals, like wifi and such, were crap to begin with so the problems/issues were endemic across the lines.

Thanks Jeff - I think you & I could be buddies in another universe!Big Smile

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Simonbeo:

The A3 became obsolete as soon as the Apple connector changed its size. This was beyond the control of B&O. 

Simple really - Never ever rely on a dictator to earn a living! I said it at the time but apparently Apple were to be B&O's saviour!

On the other side of the coin I think the Chromecast integration is the way forward. I love my Google Home and as more phones get Google Assistant and you can set up Chromecast  speaker groups etc you can throw your music stream anywhere/everywhere without any burden on your phone/device unlike Airplay etc.

And it means B&O aren't writing the software!

 

 

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Millemissen:

Will be interesting to hear from someone, who has compared the 15 and the 17.

Maybe that will justify the change?

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https://youtu.be/NpZ5rZ2ZcTI

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Good video. I learned about the Beoplay and used it for my new H4s based on what I saw. Also, the benefits of the 17 versus the 15 . 

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That read Beoplay App until corrected by Apple.

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Jeff replied on Sat, Mar 4 2017 11:27 PM

Puncher:

Simonbeo:

The A3 became obsolete as soon as the Apple connector changed its size. This was beyond the control of B&O. 

Simple really - Never ever rely on a dictator to earn a living! I said it at the time but apparently Apple were to be B&O's saviour!

Never trust a sociopathic megalomaniac. See companies making headphones with mics and line controls for iPhones now that the iPhone 7 has no phone jack.

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TWG replied on Sun, Mar 5 2017 8:44 AM

I mostly agree with Jeff and Puncher. As much as I love B&O but they don't have a clue of their strategy, missing very good designers and quality. That's so sad to see.

B&O should be aware of consumer feedback.
For example on Amazon Germany the most helpful / top rated review about Beolit 15 is a negative one star review, stating that B&O doesn't repair your stuff after the 2 years warranty is over. And no, it is NOT my review Wink
I simply was badly surprised to see this review being top rated by customers:
https://www.amazon.de/Bang-Olufsen-portabler-Bluetooth-Lautsprecher/dp/B00SC9EW4G/ref=cm_rdp_produc

B&O should care about those things and communicate clearly how they plan to treat customers.
Of course that can't work if you mess up with many reincarnations of "more of the same" and you run out of parts much too quickly.

I still like my Beolit 12 in white as I can control it via Beo 4. It only misses 2 things: Bluetooth and IP-protection for outdoor use.

Regarding the dependence on Apple or Google: Both are dictators and don't give a ... about sustainability. Google experiments and let's their experiments fall if they are in the mood and support and products are gone immediately.
This is not a good or reliable base to operate in the long term for B&O and other dependable companies.

That's why an open standard like Bluetooth or DLNA should have priority over proprietary systems.

What should be a MUST on every Bluetooth-Speaker or Soundsystem from B&O:
A physical reset-button to set all things (including sound settings!) back to factory defaults or "0".


From a Beolit 15 perspective: I wouldn't know why I should upgrade to the Beolit 17? Even more bass? No, sorry, than I can buy those trashcans from "beats" :-)

But let the "normal" customers decide, not me as a Beomaniac and I wish to B&O that they have success and learn a few things...

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