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Raeuber replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 2:38 PM

mmodi:

Yes, I can confirm... i have the documentation with me.  Small device intended to be wall mounted. Has a mute/standby button and volume scroll wheel in front. Power supply, ethernet, line-in at back.  Compatible with Airplay & DLNA.  Can be controlled using Beo4 & Beo6 and also Beoplayer App, iTunes, Windows Media Player or other app for any IOS or Android device.

£350 per device... connects to 1 set of B&O speakers.

 

But what to do if you want to connect your Beolabs with the new Playmaker AND a Beovision?

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MartinW replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 2:47 PM
Every time a new Apple device is due out there are rumors of a new dock connector, but Apple made a commercial agreement not to change the current dock connector for a minimum period of 10 years so as not to obselete all the third party manufacturers product ranges - so i don't think you need to worry about your BeoSound 8!
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MartinW replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 2:48 PM
Raeuber:

But what to do if you want to connect your Beolabs with the new Playmaker AND a Beovision?

Connect the Playmaker to the BeoVision and the speakers to the BeoVision.
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MartinW replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 2:50 PM
You can connect the Playmaker to a BeoLink Passive to allow passive speakers to run with it.
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The new video platform in the V1 is compatible with DLNA, and this platform will be used in other TV (soon, I hope), therefore for these TV, there will be no need for a Playmaker.

During the trip, an engineer confirmed to me that we will see more and more DLNA products, and it seem to me now that DLNA is the new ML.

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KMA:

mmodi:

Yes, I can confirm... i have the documentation with me.  Small device intended to be wall mounted. Has a mute/standby button and volume scroll wheel in front. Power supply, ethernet, line-in at back.  Compatible with Airplay & DLNA.  Can be controlled using Beo4 & Beo6 and also Beoplayer App, iTunes, Windows Media Player or other app for any IOS or Android device.

£350 per device... connects to 1 set of B&O speakers.

So in effect this means that BS 5 Encore will be soon discontinued? With Playmaker, people can control their B&O music hub with, say, iPhone or iPad and enjoy their portability. Where would Encore fit in after this, with its price tag that's about 7 times the price of the Playmaker? I'd rather select my music and view album art on my iPad, anywhere in the house.

I agree about the usefulness and portability of the iPad, but it does not come with MOTS.

Yes, Apple will give you its Genius lists, but they use a different approach.

And of course a simple NAS and DLNA gives you neither.

But it all depends upon what wants and what one is prepared to pay to get that "want" satisfied.

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KMA replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 3:15 PM

MartinW:
Every time a new Apple device is due out there are rumors of a new dock connector, but Apple made a commercial agreement not to change the current dock connector for a minimum period of 10 years so as not to obselete all the third party manufacturers product ranges - so i don't think you need to worry about your BeoSound 8!

Unfortunately, a great deal of evidence points to the contrary (one such example below):

http://www.webpronews.com/iphone-5-rumor-19-pin-mini-dock-connector-confirmed-2012-06

But I do hope you're right, Martin!

 

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moxxey replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 3:52 PM

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I agree about the usefulness and portability of the iPad, but it does not come with MOTS.

This never really blew me over when I owned a BS5/BM5 for a few months. Yeah, it was reasonable, but some of the tracks it played were just not the tracks I wanted to hear next. I much prefer to set up a playlist based on my requirements or mood, rather than have a device choose the next most relevant song.

Maybe it improved - I had an early BS5 - but it's certainly something I never missed, once I sold the BS5/BM5 combo. With my iPad, I can just type a few words, find song choices and play stuff immediately. With the Airplay-based A8, who needs MOTS when you have your iPhone and iPad right next to you? ie. I can live without MOTS.

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KMA:

mmodi:

Yes, I can confirm... i have the documentation with me.  Small device intended to be wall mounted. Has a mute/standby button and volume scroll wheel in front. Power supply, ethernet, line-in at back.  Compatible with Airplay & DLNA.  Can be controlled using Beo4 & Beo6 and also Beoplayer App, iTunes, Windows Media Player or other app for any IOS or Android device.

£350 per device... connects to 1 set of B&O speakers.

So in effect this means that BS 5 Encore will be soon discontinued? With Playmaker, people can control their B&O music hub with, say, iPhone or iPad and enjoy their portability. Where would Encore fit in after this, with its price tag that's about 7 times the price of the Playmaker? I'd rather select my music and view album art on my iPad, anywhere in the house.

I agree about the usefulness and portability of the iPad, but it does not come with MOTS.

Yes, Apple will give you its Genius lists, but they use a different approach.

And of course a simple NAS and DLNA gives you neither.

But it all depends upon what wants and what one is prepared to pay to get that "want" satisfied.

I have just thought of what might be another big difference between these different approaches.

Hopefully someone with technical smarts can set me straight.

 

1/ as you know I have a network of Beolink Wireless 1s ... when this is in use I believe (guess even) that the TRANSMITTER is sending a SINGLE analogue audio signal (which may get digitised and undigitised across the ether/air but as it arrives at the master transmitter it is analogue) and all RECEIVERS can listen in to this transmission (i.e. is is a bus arrangement, just like the master link).  And of course each RECEIVER can send a command to the master TRANSMITTER that affects all listening RECEIVERS (except for local off, and local volume controls).

Do the Beolink Wireless 1s contain DACs or is the bit stream between the Wireless 1s uncompressed ?

 

2/ I have also used iTunes "multiple speakers" airplay from my MacMini ... when I am doing this the MacMini is broadcasting (I think/guess) MULTIPLE digital MP3 signals (i.e. it is NOT a broadcast, it is being sent to multiple IP addresses) that are turned into analogue audio by the DACs (in or external to the Airport Expresses or Apple TVs etc) at the receiver end.

So every time you add a new receiver you consume more wireless bandwidth ?

Also your control is via the Apple REMOTE application, and any command (e.g. skip track) again affects all airplay end points that are in the active "multiple speakers" list.

 

3/ Or I could use multiple iDevices (I guess I should test this) to send SEPARATE and MULTIPLE digital transmissions of MP3s to the airplay destinations.  Here the control rests with the iDevice, and so you can have DIFFERENT tracks playing at each of the end points (AEs and/or ATVs).  

And you can use a SINGLE iDevice control MULTIPLE end points (a decentralised variation of number 2 above), and in this situation there are definitely MULTIPLE digital transmissions in all directions so I have no idea how much wireless bandwidth is being consumed.

Here each iDevice separately controls each of its end points simultaneously.

 

4/ Finally (?!) you can use the special variation of ATVs where SEPARATE requests for MP3s are made from SEPARATE end points.  Each and every request is controlled at its ATV end point via its television interface.  Again these transmissions/transfers are digital MP3s that are decoded at the other end.

 

 

NB although I have talked about Airplay and wireless bandwidth it is of course possible to send the Airplay traffic across your wired ethernet ! or a mix or wire and wireless ethernets.  But which ever way you go I believe you have separate IP sessions consuming wired and/or wireless bandwidth.  Maybe I should not have de-wired my house last weekend !!!

 

PS although I have referred to the digital tracks being transferred as "MP3s" I suspect that multiple formats are supported across Airplay (push) and ATVs (pull) but I have not specifically tested for this - although my library certainly has ripped MP3s as well as purchased iTunes content (in whatever format that is given that I have iTunes content going back as 2006)

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elephant:
Do the Beolink Wireless 1s contain DACs or is the bit stream between the Wireless 1s uncompressed ?

The DAC is not reponsible for the decompression, but for the conversion of an already decompressed digital signal into analog.

I am not sure the Beolink Wireless protocol is digital, i have a feeling it might be analog for the audio part. The beolink wireless is able to sound in sync with speakers that are wired and in the same room. This wouldn't really be possible with digital as you need an amount of buffering.

elephant:

2/ I have also used iTunes "multiple speakers" airplay from my MacMini ... when I am doing this the MacMini is broadcasting (I think/guess) MULTIPLE digital MP3 signals (i.e. it is NOT a broadcast, it is being sent to multiple IP addresses) that are turned into analogue audio by the DACs (in or external to the Airport Expresses or Apple TVs etc) at the receiver end.

No, it is actually using IP multicast. otherwise it would use too much bandwith as you grow the number of speakers, and also the sound would probably be desynchronised between the different speakers.

By the way, the signal is sent as Apple Lossless, and not MP3. so your MP3s, AAC, AIFF, etc are decoded by iTunes, then re-encoded in Apple Lossless, then encrypted before being broadcasted.

 

 

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I really like to read this forum :)

Now I understand why future will bring bankrupt to B&O... I see people here comparing fast food products with high quality hand made food !!! At the end you can feed yourself with both of them. You can get full and you can say I did eat well. The difference is fast food without having any taste and style, the hand made food is something to enjoy, is kind of challange every new day and exclusive... This was just an example

Playmaker, Beocore, Beoplay etc. will not save the B&O brand. Because customers want to have fast food. Cheap, fast and indolent !!! 

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Paul W replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 6:48 PM

I really don't agree with you Beopiranha,

Apple is CERTAINLY  NOT fast food take away etc. It's quality, it's very very very well made it just isn't 5 or 7 times more expensive like for B&O for ZERO reason!

BeoPlay WILL save B&O simply because people are NOT buying into the BANG&OLUFSEN name with the exception of a few on this website. 

I think many educated people really can see past what the BS5 ENCORE is and that's why it really isn't creating too much interest. You really have to move with the times. And Apple sells! And there's a reason.  iTunes is SIMPLY SUPERB in every way, I cant fault it.  It's OK people crying over CDs but they are so 25 years ago and also didn't many so called purists spend decades criticising the quality of CD?

Let's just enjoy the music and embrace new ways of creating it! If the young crowd buy B&O PLAY, well that's great but you can't really expect them to pay a fortune for something like a BS5 Encore that really doesn't do much, isn't touch screen and isn't really that sexy! We are in a fantastic age were young people travel, travel, travel and being able to take our collection on our iPhones & then stream with Airplay to a BeoPlay product is just dandy, just don't expect us to be excited with some of the overpriced controllers that appear to be expense over substance...

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Paul W replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 7:08 PM

KMA, if you are worried about the 30pin Apple connection being replaced, just go for an iPhone 4S!!! Mine is the best device that i've ever used! Over the 4, there is no comparison between the two cameras! the 4S simply rocks in every sense - literally super! There is nothing that I don't love about it!

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Paul W:

I really don't agree with you Beopiranha,

Apple is CERTAINLY  NOT fast food take away etc. It's quality, it's very very very well made it just isn't 5 or 7 times more expensive like for B&O for ZERO reason!

BeoPlay WILL save B&O simply because people are NOT buying into the BANG&OLUFSEN name with the exception of a few on this website. 

I think many educated people really can see past what the BS5 ENCORE is and that's why it really isn't creating too much interest. You really have to move with the times. And Apple sells! And there's a reason.  iTunes is SIMPLY SUPERB in every way, I cant fault it.  It's OK people crying over CDs but they are so 25 years ago and also didn't many so called purists spend decades criticising the quality of CD?

Let's just enjoy the music and embrace new ways of creating it! If the young crowd buy B&O PLAY, well that's great but you can't really expect them to pay a fortune for something like a BS5 Encore that really doesn't do much, isn't touch screen and isn't really that sexy! We are in a fantastic age were young people travel, travel, travel and being able to take our collection on our iPhones & then stream with Airplay to a BeoPlay product is just dandy, just don't expect us to be excited with some of the overpriced controllers that appear to be expense over substance...

I meant not only the Encore. This is for all B&O product range. You can't produce something with hand craft, aluminium finishing, cost fortune and last just few years. That's what I mean. You say cd's last 25 years and still exist. Do you really think Apple technologies last 25 years?

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lano replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 8:16 PM
mmodi:

Yes, I can confirm... i have the documentation with me. Small device intended to be wall mounted. Has a mute/standby button and volume scroll wheel in front. Power supply, ethernet, line-in at back. Compatible with Airplay & DLNA. Can be controlled using Beo4 & Beo6 and also Beoplayer App, iTunes, Windows Media Player or other app for any IOS or Android device.

£350 per device... connects to 1 set of B&O speakers.

Anything mentioned about be able to control the Playmaker from a MLGW?
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moxxey replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 8:18 PM

beopiranha:

I meant not only the Encore. This is for all B&O product range. You can't produce something with hand craft, aluminium finishing, cost fortune and last just few years. That's what I mean. You say cd's last 25 years and still exist. Do you really think Apple technologies last 25 years?

The simple fact is that the people who demand top quality hand made products, is somewhat diminishing. It's not really affecting the watch market as much, but then they product products which are difficult to get hold of - anyone can buy a B&O product. There's nothing exclusive, apart from the price.

The up-and-coming market wants to stream their audio, access it from their phone and so on. You can't ignore this market. Well, you can, but you'll be targeting an ever-diminishing (original) market and B&O have their shareholders to keep happy and hundreds of stores to keep in business. 

The problem is that there simply aren't enough people walking in to the stores to buy BV12's, BV7-55's and BL9s. They can't keep the company in business, so they've diversified.

But I don't really know what the fuss is about. They haven't dropped their core products. We still have the speakers, the TVs and the phones (just). It's just that the other products are coming through, too, to target a different and more up-and-coming market.

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beopiranha:
You say cd's last 25 years and still exist. Do you really think Apple technologies last 25 years?

Let me think... The windowed interface and the mouse came first with the Mac in 1984... 2012-1984 = 28.

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... oh, and wether one like Apple or not, various dealers have mentioned to me that they are very happy with the BeoPlay products and that they are selling really well.

We've moaned on this forum that B&O had priced us out, so I am not going to complain when they release a new range that is cheaper. 

I have seen the production chain of the V1 and it is made in Denmark, by hand like the other TVs.

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Carolpa replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 8:36 PM

personaltrainerpaul:

 

I really don't agree with you Beopiranha,

Apple is CERTAINLY NOT fast food take away etc. It's quality, it's very very very well made it just isn't 5 or 7 times more expensive like for B&O for ZERO reason!

BeoPlay WILL save B&O simply because people are NOT buying into the BANG&OLUFSEN name with the exception of a few on this website.

I think many educated people really can see past what the BS5 ENCORE is and that's why it really isn't creating too much interest. You really have to move with the times. And Apple sells! And there's a reason. iTunes is SIMPLY SUPERB in every way, I cant fault it. It's OK people crying over CDs but they are so 25 years ago and also didn't many so called purists spend decades criticising the quality of CD?

Let's just enjoy the music and embrace new ways of creating it! If the young crowd buy B&O PLAY, well that's great but you can't really expect them to pay a fortune for something like a BS5 Encore that really doesn't do much, isn't touch screen and isn't really that sexy! We are in a fantastic age were young people travel, travel, travel and being able to take our collection on our iPhones & then stream with Airplay to a BeoPlay product is just dandy, just don't expect us to be excited with some of the overpriced controllers that appear to be expense over substance...

 

 

iTunes SUPERB???

I disagree.

I know lots of people who do not know how to transfer files between their iThing and their iTunes. Just because the sw isn't that user friendly.

Further on the possibilities outside the Apple standard is limited to nill.

The strongest part of Apple is their marketing and to make the customer totally dependent. But it is done clever and with really strong hardware.

I agree with your opinion to embrace new ways for media possibilities in general. But I think iTunes limits this more than helps it to evolve.

For example I still buy cd's, BR, sacd, etc because I can't find music of the same quality on sites like iTunes. And if one finds a decent site, the prices of physical "nothing" is almost the same as of the actual discs!

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Puncher replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 8:39 PM

moxxey:

beopiranha:

I meant not only the Encore. This is for all B&O product range. You can't produce something with hand craft, aluminium finishing, cost fortune and last just few years. That's what I mean. You say cd's last 25 years and still exist. Do you really think Apple technologies last 25 years?

The simple fact is that the people who demand top quality hand made products, is somewhat diminishing. It's not really affecting the watch market as much, but then they product products which are difficult to get hold of - anyone can buy a B&O product. There's nothing exclusive, apart from the price.

The up-and-coming market wants to stream their audio, access it from their phone and so on. You can't ignore this market. Well, you can, but you'll be targeting an ever-diminishing (original) market and B&O have their shareholders to keep happy and hundreds of stores to keep in business. 

The problem is that there simply aren't enough people walking in to the stores to buy BV12's, BV7-55's and BL9s. They can't keep the company in business, so they've diversified.

But I don't really know what the fuss is about. They haven't dropped their core products. We still have the speakers, the TVs and the phones (just). It's just that the other products are coming through, too, to target a different and more up-and-coming market.

I've said this many times - B&O need to ensure they maintain and continue to develop a great range of competitive, quality, high performance speakers that start in the Beoplay area right through to the BL5's and their replacements. This is their core competance. I agree that they should also have media players to connect to these speakers but they should also promote the use of their speakers with other manufacturers equipment too. I'm sorry to say that I believe the TV's will continue to look like ever poorer value compared to the rest of the market but the speakers can be entirely designed and manufactured in house, using custom designed components with the benefit of B&O's expertise in design/styling, acoustic engineering and testing . This gives them a USP. Speakers have always been one of the most recognisable B&O components and with the right products promoted in the right way they can continue to be a successful speaker manufacturer.

Without speakers they could easily just fizzle out!

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MartinW replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 9:15 PM
Why do people on this forum keep bleating on about the end if B&O and how can they survive when every market statistic shows the opposite?

B&O UK are 5% up on last year, B&O DK have transformed their financial position and are once again climbing the brand leaderboards. BV7-55 was the best selling individual product in the UK market for B&O. The best selling loudspeaker was BL3 and the second best was BL5. Other luxury brands like Aston Martin, Bentley etc are seeing their best years ever, our store in Newcastle recorded their best ever sales for the Christmas season in 2011 and we have just closed our best ever Q4 results after 11 years as a dealer. We sell very little BeoPlay although we do love the products, and sold more BS5, BV7 and BV10 last year than any previous year.

So why all the doom and gloom?

BeoPlay products are great and offer quality product experiences at a price level we have not previously been able to enjoy, but B&O's position as a provider of luxury integrated AV solutions has not changed and as far as I can see the future is bright?!!
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MartinW replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 9:16 PM
I agree with Puncher!
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...anyway, the good think is that B&O is now providing solutions for both PC centric (DLNA) and Apple centric (AirPlay) customers. So no-one's feeling left out!

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PhilLondon:

elephant:
Do the Beolink Wireless 1s contain DACs or is the bit stream between the Wireless 1s uncompressed ?

The DAC is not reponsible for the decompression, but for the conversion of an already decompressed digital signal into analog.

I am not sure the Beolink Wireless protocol is digital, i have a feeling it might be analog for the audio part. The beolink wireless is able to sound in sync with speakers that are wired and in the same room. This wouldn't really be possible with digital as you need an amount of buffering.

elephant:

2/ I have also used iTunes "multiple speakers" airplay from my MacMini ... when I am doing this the MacMini is broadcasting (I think/guess) MULTIPLE digital MP3 signals (i.e. it is NOT a broadcast, it is being sent to multiple IP addresses) that are turned into analogue audio by the DACs (in or external to the Airport Expresses or Apple TVs etc) at the receiver end.

 

No, it is actually using IP multicast. otherwise it would use too much bandwith as you grow the number of speakers, and also the sound would probably be desynchronised between the different speakers.

By the way, the signal is sent as Apple Lossless, and not MP3. so your MP3s, AAC, AIFF, etc are decoded by iTunes, then re-encoded in Apple Lossless, then encrypted before being broadcasted.

Thanks Philippe for those insights - you are the Einstein of Apple Geniuses  - and Beolink too it seems !

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moxxey replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 10:15 PM

MartinW:

So why all the doom and gloom?

Where's the "doom and gloom"? We're simply saying that B&O are doing the right thing. Keeping their core products we all know and love (like the BV7-55), but brining in some products which appeal to a wider market. Hardly gloom. Like you say, it's bringing positive results.

Some users do not want to see Joe Bloggs being able to own B&O, hence their comment. That doesn't mean they are spreading doom and gloom. They just see the brand differently. They see it as high-end luxury products which give people the impression you're doing very well for yourself. They believe by allowing users to buy a £2000, you're devaluing the brand.

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elephant replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 10:15 PM

MartinW:
our store in Newcastle recorded their best ever sales for the Christmas season in 2011 and we have just closed our best ever Q4 results after 11 years as a dealer. We sell very little BeoPlay although we do love the products, and sold more BS5, BV7 and BV10 last year than any previous year.

Martin, I am VERY glad to hear that you guys are surviving and even thriving !!  Thank you for everything the store did for us when we were stationed in Newcastle - I think your customer service and customer involvement ethos is superb.

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elephant replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 10:22 PM

PhilLondon:

...anyway, the good think is that B&O is now providing solutions for both PC centric (DLNA) and Apple centric (AirPlay) customers. So no-one's feeling left out!

yes it is good.

I guess what my long post was trying to say, is that it is a very complex technical jungle that B&O are trying to navigate their way through.

It would be nice (in an academic way) if some DLNA knowledgable person extended my 4 scenarios/points by a further set of DLNA examples just so we all can improve our knowledge of options and design flexibility.

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Vienna replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 11:00 PM

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Do the Beolink Wireless 1s contain DACs or is the bit stream between the Wireless 1s uncompressed ?

PhilLondon:

The DAC is not reponsible for the decompression, but for the conversion of an already decompressed digital signal into analog.

I am not sure the Beolink Wireless protocol is digital, i have a feeling it might be analog for the audio part. The beolink wireless is
able to sound in sync with speakers that are wired and in the same room. This wouldn't really be possible with digital as you need an amount of buffering.

BeoLink Wireless 1 is based on WLAN technology and uses the 2,4GHz band.

The sound is transmitted digitally as an uncompressed PCM-stereo signal in full CD quality.
No TCP/IP - no buffering - therefore no audible time delay.

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Steffen replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 11:32 PM

Paul W:
It's quality, it's very very very well made

Paul W:
iTunes is SIMPLY SUPERB in every way, I cant fault it

You just keep on proving my point about some Apple fans almost religious approach to their devices. WinkStick out tongue

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Paul W replied on Mon, Jul 2 2012 11:53 PM

Some of us talk about Apple Steffen, simply because a lot of the BeoPlay products feature Airplay and are designed for Apple products and the Apple customer! Put it this way, BeoPlay is the name that is getting BANG&OLUFSEN noticed.  Look what happened when B&O ignored Apple before, a history of severe dept and many CEOs that probably ended up working in MacDonalds!

How degrading a few years ago when BANG&OLUFSEN shared its name with SAMSUNG on a mobile phone! When a prestigious company does this, it's desperate. Now B&O has never had it so good! And in todays and next years and the the following years recession, it's the Apple customers AND BeoPlay that will keep BANG&OLUFSEN alive!!!   Remember Steffen, without Apple customers buying into the brand, you probably wouldn't have a BANG&OLUFSEN now and I think it is pretty clear that TUES MONTANI realises this!!!!!!! So go and play on your Windows laptop you little boy!

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Bower and Wilkins make probably the best speaker on the planet in its diamond series, and what are they now famous for and making a shed load of money out of...The Zeppelin.

Apple aren't so rich and powerful because of some dark master plan to trap people into Apple world. If the competition can't offer such a wide range of integrated services then whose to blame for that? I've just bought some Sony PS Vitas as birthday presents replacing some IPod touches. Between my wife and I we have spent a week now trying to give loss making Sony money for Apps,but to no avail. Sony are 5 years behind whereas Apple are 5 ahead, and some backward thinking people just don't get it.

Maybe B&O should go back to debt and rebadging Grundig VHS players, to placate the pallets of those living in some 70's nouveau riche paradise.

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Steffen replied on Tue, Jul 3 2012 12:22 AM

Yes - some talk about Apple...others just praise it to a degree when its becoming rediculous. Please turn down the rethoric...

It's not flawless, you know - even if you think so. 'Apple crashes diferently' Stick out tongue

By the way -B&O has been through crisis many times before -and recovered without any help from Apple.
Just because they are doing well as an Apple supporter at the moment, nobody knows how things look in 5 or 10 years time...
Nokia once made the most sold cell-phone ever...
In 2004/5 Motorola had one of the best selling phone-models (the Razr).Look what happened a few years later..?

Noone can say how iPhone/Pad will be doing in the future...

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Steffen replied on Tue, Jul 3 2012 1:05 AM

Chris Townsend:
Maybe B&O should go back to debt and rebadging Grundig VHS players, to placate the pallets of those living in some 70's nouveau riche paradise.

 

Thank You for proving my point...Wink

Remarks like that just shows how some Apple fanboys think they're so much above others.
You're really into the beat -and other's are so far behind you...No - thumbs down

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PhilLondon:

beopiranha:
You say cd's last 25 years and still exist. Do you really think Apple technologies last 25 years?

Let me think... The windowed interface and the mouse came first with the Mac in 1984... 2012-1984 = 28.

You are not serious with this!! are you? I'm talking about software... I used to play prince of persia on my 80286 begining of 90's. Check the todays gaming technologies. We all used to play music via Winamp... then comes better Windows Media Player then Itunes... Or at the very first begining Ericsson has been the market leader on cellular market then Nokia now Apple. So, Ericsson is gone with Sony, Nokia will be bankrupt soon we will see what will happen to Apple.

Regarding the Beoplay brand. They are selling thousands of products and making 195 million DK against 1,5 Billion DK AV products. AV products lost 5% last year. That makes more or less 75 million. So, it is still early but Beoplay range can not save the company. They must invest core AV business. They should bring new products on the market. I said products "not Toys for Boys" !!!!

Anyway, I hope I'm wrong and B&O can live long. 

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KMA replied on Tue, Jul 3 2012 9:33 AM

Paul W:

KMA, if you are worried about the 30pin Apple connection being replaced, just go for an iPhone 4S!!! Mine is the best device that i've ever used! Over the 4, there is no comparison between the two cameras! the 4S simply rocks in every sense - literally super! There is nothing that I don't love about it!

Thanks Paul, but I already have the 4S (and the new iPad), and I'm one of those suckers who always buys the latest iPhone / iPad as soon as they're available. Hence, since I will be upgrading my iPhone (and eventually the iPad, the next generation of which will surely have the same dock connector as the next iPhone), the possible dock incompatibility annoys me. But for that reason alone I'll upgrade to BeoSound A8, and be done with dock connectors. If AirPlay changes, let's hope it's upgradeable by a software update to A8 :)

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elephant replied on Tue, Jul 3 2012 10:46 AM

Guys, please stop bashing one another - no one will win - and we all will lose 

Perhaps it seems like heavy banter amongst yourselves, but for me I am hearing atone that is not in accord with the friendship and mutual support that characterises BeoWorld.  Thank you

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elephant:

Guys, please stop bashing one another - no one will win - and we all will lose 

Perhaps it seems like heavy banter amongst yourselves, but for me I am hearing atone that is not in accord with the friendship and mutual support that characterises BeoWorld.  Thank you

as I'm part of this discussion I must say "sorry elephant" because you are definitely right. 

 

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Paul W replied on Tue, Jul 3 2012 12:47 PM

KMA, that sounds great! WOW.

The great thing with the BeoPlay A8 is if you don't want to use Airplay, it has that removable 30pin adaptor. Of course, if Apple change to the 19 pin, then B&O will simply make / buy in a 19 pin adaptor for the A8. Very very clever!  I had the pleasure to see the BeoPlay A8 the other week and the little cut into the plastic were the adaptor fits is so need, it's a though a surgeon has cut it! :)

Some real thought has gone into this!

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moxxey replied on Tue, Jul 3 2012 1:52 PM

Back on discussion, does anyone have a photo of the Playmaker - they do exist. My dealer was describing it to me earlier.

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MacBo replied on Thu, Jul 5 2012 11:59 AM

mmodi:

Yes, I can confirm... i have the documentation with me.  Small device intended to be wall mounted. Has a mute/standby button and volume scroll wheel in front. Power supply, ethernet, line-in at back.  Compatible with Airplay & DLNA.  Can be controlled using Beo4 & Beo6 and also Beoplayer App, iTunes, Windows Media Player or other app for any IOS or Android device.

£350 per device... connects to 1 set of B&O speakers.

Does it also have a line out, so I can connect it to my beosound 4?

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