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davelarue
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davelarue posted on Sun, Dec 13 2015 12:03 AM

After a year of playing, my playmaker has been very unreliable - with drops every other song. My airport express had no issues whatsoever. After lots of reading and troubleshooting, i'v given up.

Now, 4 years after the release of the playmaker, is there a better alternative that airplay-enables my b&o speakers (with the same quality and simplicity as the playmaker) ?

 

 

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Find a way to get an airport express working with them. They work well and only $99. Any B&O product will cost much more and probably work as badly as the playmaker 

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Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker:

Find a way to get an airport express working with them. They work well and only $99. Any B&O product will cost much more and probably work as badly as the playmaker

True an activation of his old Apple Airport or even buying a new one would be cheaper than an Essence.

However others have claimed that the Airport's DAC is inferior.

An Essence would have these additional functions:

-- up to date WiFi eg 5gHz

-- Bluetooth

-- BeoMusic and BeoSetup Apps

-- TuneIn

-- Deezer Premium

-- Spotify Premium

-- power link cable support

-- the wheely remote

-- an optional IR eye for Beo4 or Beoremote support

-- NL expansion/ connectivity when other NL sources/sinks ($s) are added for JOINing

-- ML back level support by adding ($s) a BeoLink Converter (BLC)

-- future ? Software expansion and patches from B&O

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I am not so sure all those plus' make sense for everyone.

  • I have an old Airport express hooked up to my network through ethernet. I even turned OFF the g networking on it as I don't need it as an access point. This means that all audio streaming remains wired and 5GHz doesn't matter.
  • I don't think many people would ever consider bluetooth when they are already on the Airplay network. I only ever use it for headphones as it is majorly inferior to Airplay.
  • He can use Deezer, TuneIn, Spotify on the assumed multiple Apple Airplay devices he has all around him and his guests would have.
  • Beomusic is on all his Airplay capable devices.
  • I'll bet on a touchscreen over a wheely remote.
  • Lots of Powerlink to RCA converter cables that are cheap.
  • you can get a harmony remote for $100 that has IR.

To be honest he could get a high end Marantz receiver with Pre-outs for any B&O speaker he has with 9.1 channel support and airplay/wifi/ethernet for LESS than the Essence.

As for the wheely remote I replicated the same functions plus much much more using this for $60. even has a nice blue glow:

https://griffintechnology.com/us/device/laptops/powermate-bluetooth

So when you look at the costs there aren't many justifications.

 

 

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The Griffen does look nice and is flexible.

To some extent we are crossing over discussions between this thread and the Moment justification thread you started.

I was not trying to mount a persuasive argument ... I was simply listing the missing features and leaving it up to the OP to place value on them.

For myself I was happier to pay for the middle ground between your DIY and the Moment.

I fully support your approach as an alternative. I am just more lazy than your energetic research & analysis, perhaps more time poor.

Either way the OP catches up with the current state of *uh* play in the B&O world Big Smile

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I understand. Get some of the Griffen devices and scatter them all over your space. I have one next to the bed and next to the computer. Interacting with it controls my iTunes on my iMac which send airplay audio to 3 separate B&O speakers I have around the house. It actually works better than the Essence just not quite as pretty.

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Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker:

I understand. Get some of the Griffen devices and scatter them all over your space. I have one next to the bed and next to the computer. Interacting with it controls my iTunes on my iMac which send airplay audio to 3 separate B&O speakers I have around the house. It actually works better than the Essence just not quite as pretty.

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I do sometimes broadcast from the MacMini to the Essence, but right now (as an example) I am playing Daft Punk's TRON on the ATV4's Apple Music interface and sending it via the BLC to the Essence and its speakers.

Unfortunately (as you know so this is for the record) while the NacMini's interface does broadcast in parallel to multiple AirPlay end points the ATV4 is either local or one remote end point, hence my using the BV to broadcast across the ML to the NL !

There's an awful lot is spaghetti behind this simple click and join !

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My dealer told me the essence with the wheels remote is $1200 Canadian 

I thought for that money I could get

A Marantz AV receiver with preouts and 7.1 channels of sound AirPlay, wifi, Bluetooth and Ethernet, 7 hdmi ports, tunein radio and many other apps built into it and 2 zones. Any B&O speaker will connect to it. $550

Instead of the very limited B&O wheel remote I could get an iPad mini to replace it where I can control anything music and speaker wise a million times better. $400

5 or more of the griffin Bluetooth remotes

Sometimes I really wonder what B&O is thinking with their pricing. Speakers I can justify a premium but their prerifierals are just priced illogically  

 

 

 

 

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Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker:

Sometimes I really wonder what B&O is thinking with their pricing. Speakers I can justify a premium but their prerifierals are just priced illogically

I agree.

And sometimes dealers are confused or greedy or generous.

My UK dealer sold me 3 coasters in a box for the listed price.

My AU dealer breaks down the box into singletons and sells them individually for the equable the listed price.

Who is right and who is wrong ?

Same with the little BLC attachment to get standalone BeoLab speakers working ... Why not in the original design ? Why a full price AUD~100 ? Why not a give away for the loyal rare customer who needs it because they bought ML speakers in the Nineties ?

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L1NO replied on Sun, Dec 13 2015 11:44 AM

The latest Yamaha multiroom-capable HDMI receivers accept the Essence wheel just fine for pairing. I've included a Arduino to relay IR and LIGHT commands to Yamaha, Hue and COCO from beo-remotes and your done under €1500. No fancy Join features tough.

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The essence is a possibility. What i like about the playmaker is the simplicity of not needing to turn on/off the speaker amplifier, and that there is no other gadgets.

I wish they had made the playmaker 5ghz, so it would work reliably.

Thanks for the help guys.

 

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davelarue:

The essence is a possibility. What i like about the playmaker is the simplicity of not needing to turn on/off the speaker amplifier, and that there is no other gadgets.

I wish they had made the playmaker 5ghz, so it would work reliably.

Thanks for the help guys.

The essence is quite nice.

Lots of features.

And the beomusic interface is nice.

Can't you just connect it through Ethernet?

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jowus replied on Sun, Dec 13 2015 5:20 PM
I'll say, you better check the Speed of your Internet. I've Airport Express with PlayMaker for almost 4 or 5yrs and never had a problem. The only problem I've is if my internet speed is not up to Par.
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