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marcocx
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marcocx posted on Sat, Oct 31 2015 11:52 AM

Hi everyone,

I've had a chance to listen to a few B&O Beogram turntables, and been wondering if there is any way to use a non B&O cartridge with them? I know B&O uses their own mounting system, are there any adapters or anything available to plug in say a Ortofom 2M Red cartridge?

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Marcocx

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Dave Farr
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Welcome to Beoworld,

the Beograms and B&O cartridges are optimised for each other.  I'm not aware of an adapter that will universally allow the use of a non-B&O cartridge on Beograms, however, in an old thread, someone did consider using this:

http://www.needledoctor.com/Ortofon-T4P-PStandard-Adapter on a Beogram 400x series.

http://forum.beoworld.org/forums/p/11355/99262.aspx

I don't really see much point in using a non-B&O cartridge on a Beogram.  Tracking force, angle and length of tonearm and cartridge etc will all need to be adjusted to suit.

There are adapters to use B&O cartridges on non-B&O turntables - a half inch adapter.

Dave.

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I modified a tonearm with a Ortofon Concorde. But it's not an adapter, this can not be reversed.

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Hi, I have purchased a TX 2 turntable for dirt cheap. 

I would like to be able to use it , but as usual, the cartridge is missing. An as I dont want to shed 300€ for a cartridge I kindly aa for more information on how you made the modification and what you used for materials , how you calculated the angle  wich wire goes where....and distance from the tone arm to the platter... Etc.

Would you be willing to lend me a helping hand?

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Jeff replied on Sat, Sep 21 2019 6:52 PM

This has been done, see here:

https://aminaaudio.com/phono.html

I'm of mixed opinions on this. On the one hand it modifies a classic B&O table, but on the other Grado cartridges sound good and are definitely easier to come by and less expensive than B&O ones.

I've got to take some electronics, including my turntable, to him for repair and such, but I am afraid to do so because he usually has 4000 and 8000 series tables he's rebuilt for sale. I'm afraid I might be compelled to buy one to replace my BG3000 tangential!

Jeff

I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus. Sad

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Dillen replied on Sat, Sep 21 2019 7:00 PM

Adrian2b4u:

Hi, I have purchased a TX 2 turntable for dirt cheap. 

Leaving plenty of money within a good condition Beograms value to get a decent cartridge. Great situation!
If you're serious about vinyl get an MMC2/Shibata, you won't regret it.

Martin

 

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Of course, Adrian.

First of all be sure that the tonearm hinge is intact (not flapping around). How have I done this? Strictly speaking, I copied the original position of the pickup. I have several defective pickups to do this. I used a Ortofon Concorde for the modification. You can get several needles for it. Have a look in my profile. I made some pictures of the process. There is a detailed description on this website, https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/p/16169/139575.aspx#139575

I used copper wires from transformers and liquid metal adhesive (JB Weld)

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First. I would like to thank all of you giving me constructive replies.

So nice to see a community that is so active and NICE ! :)

In response to Dillen's post, I am a Audiophile at heart but unfortunately my finacial situation does not allow me to spend lots of cash. ( For me 200 € is a far reach).

I usualy buy older HI FI that need repair or service anf fix them...if possible.

 

Jeff- thank you - that is a good alternative .

This B&O TX2 is like a " unicorn " for me as I found it at a local market for an bought it for litteraly 5€, and as I can not check if the audio side electronics of the TX2 are OK , I dont want to invest lots of cash to find out that the tone arm has issues or a channel is out or etc.....

Thats why I wanted to try the cheaper alternative. I know I might angry the HI FI purists but I actually have no alternative.

And ProGram, thank you so much for the reply and help , the pictures are a great help. I only need one info. The position of the needle as I understood was off by 3mm (this i can probabli fix ) but I have no way to get a distance measurement between the arm and vinyl disk.

Thank you.

 

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Dillen replied on Sun, Sep 22 2019 10:16 AM

Adrian2b4u:

I can not check if the audio side electronics of the TX2 are OK 

There aren't any.

Martin

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Oh, ProGram I forgot to ask , what model is the Ortophon Concorde - I cant find the model with straight connectors ....

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ProGram replied on Sun, Sep 22 2019 10:32 AM

Don't matter, what Concorde. I think, the element inside is nearly the same. All have straight contacts inside, but only some are with connectors, most are soldered to the SME contacts.

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I’m not the sort who finds beauty in a Aston Martin that has been chopped up to use a short block Chevy engine, but maybe that sort of atrocity is just an American thing.

I’d save up for a cart rebuild or a new Soundsmith, totally worth it.
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ProGram replied on Wed, Sep 25 2019 12:46 PM
Definitely! Soundsmith is nice, I have the SMMC4 on my 9500. It fits and sounds good, but it had already a faulty suspension after one and a half year. Mr. Ledermann at soundsmith swapped it as a gesture of goodwill. But when it will be necessary to change the cartridge again, I will modify the tonearm.
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Hi,

I don't want sound like a whiny crying person asking for a handout but like I said my financial situation does not allow me to buy a 300+  Eur cartridge and stylus..... I make 150 Eur a month.

I just want to be able to use the TT... and afford a new stylus in the futrure when the old stylus breaks or givers up.

TY.

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Dillen replied on Thu, Sep 26 2019 10:49 AM

Just for reference:

MMC4 rebuild or exchange EUR 146
MMC4 rebuilt (sale) EUR 213

These MMC4 are 4-sided (new shape!) eliptical. Better than the original MMC4.

Martin

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