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etype76 posted on Mon, Aug 24 2015 5:05 PM

Hello all, I'm new here and live in Japan,

 

My current turntable is a Thorens TD160 with a Rega arm which I restored and it looks great to say it was a spontaneous Ebay purchase. Now I've made another such purchase, a Beogram 8000. I have read enough to realise that these machines need plenty of TLC after 30+ years. 

My first question is basically, What is the first order of business when the turntable arrives? I understand that it is working and in "excellent condition" with a MMC20CL cartridge with the original protector. 

Beyond that, I don't know much else...

Any initial pointers appreciated. 

 

Thanks

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chartz replied on Mon, Aug 24 2015 6:41 PM
I used to have the same Thorens/Rega setup. I bought a Beogram 8000.

The Thorens is in the attic. Stick out tongue

Just enjoy!

Oh, and buy a DIN-RCA adaptor from Steve down below!

Let's hope the seller packs it properly. [:\'(]

And welcome to Beoworld! Smile

P.S.: do not forget the photos when the BG is with you!

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etype76:

...a Beogram 8000. I have read enough to realise that these machines need plenty of TLC after 30+ years. 

My first question is basically, What is the first order of business when the turntable arrives? I understand that it is working and in "excellent condition" with a MMC20CL cartridge with the original protector.



Welcome to Bang & Olufsen tangential tracking turntables. The Beogram 8000 is indeed an excellent turntable. The MMC20CL cartridge is also excellent. I hope the seller removed the cartridge and boxed it up separately. I have had a couple sent to me with the cartridge mounted on the tonearm and it did not arrive intact. Statements on eBay about 15 to 30 year old audio equipment working is always questionable. I guess people have different opinions of what "working" means. If you want "working" to mean the turntable operates the way it did when it was new (early 80's) and the turntable has never been serviced, then it will need restoration. On the chance that it is still fully functional, you should still run through mechanical checks to be sure it is all adjusted correctly. It sounds like you are knowledgeable in turntables so learning the Beogram shouldn't be too difficult. Check out this thread on restoring the Beogram 8000. It covers a number of things you should check out. The original Beogram 8000 had a plastic disk on the sub-platter that had black markings for the turntable tachometer to control the speed with. Those markings typically peal off by now. If they are still intact, their days are numbered. The Beogram 8002 series went with a metal tacho disk. Martin (Dillen on the forum) supplies metal replacement tacho disks for the Beogram 8000. There is one rubber belt for the tangential drive motor. If that belt is still original then it will need to be replaced.

If you have any questions about the work just post some pictures and ask the forum.

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Thanks,

 

The Thorens/Rega is a nice setup, but I'd like to try a different beast.

I'm knowledgeable in so far as I can follow instructions and put myself on a learning curve, but my parameters are pretty narrow. I did the tiniest amount of soldering on the Thorens but looking at the thread you mention on restoring the Beogram 8000, that's in a different class. 

I requested the seller pack and ship the turntable with the platter off and under the unit, but beyond that I don't hold out much hope that the cartridge will be off too. Actually, maybe a good thing rather than the seller pulling it off and causing damage that way ;/

Yes, "working" can be interpreted widely ;) Best case scenario is that it plays a record, next is that it has power and the tonearm moves! I guess I'll find out in a week...will keep you posted and put up a pic.

 

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If the turntable is already packed and shipped then there is nothing to do but wait and see. Hopefully he packed it with similar precautions (except for the cartridge) as this thread I created to show how to pack these turntables. That thread shows a Beogram 8002, not the Beogram 8000, but the factory packing is almost identical. When I get time I will post some pictures of how to pack those turntables when the original packing materials aren't available. The purpose of the thread though was to demonstrate some key elements of the turntable protection like locking down the chassis, removing the cartridge and making sure the platters can't bounce around.

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Good thread on the packing of the 8002, I didn't realise that the platter could be shipped under the dust cover, I told the seller to pack it under the unit (I think I'd read that on Beolover) but then he didn't have the original styrofoam packing. This seller does. 

 

I have a question about the dust cover and lid. Are both fixed to the unit by hinges? How prone are they to breakage? I've been lucky with the Thorens, both plastic hinges are still in tact. I've seen some posts mentioning 3D printing; when that becomes more widespread it's going to be brilliant I reckon. 

 

 

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Removing the platter and packing it separately is fine and a good practice if the original Styrofoam pieces are not available. However, there is a sub-platter that will then be exposed and could come off during a shipment so there needs to be some filler for that area underneath the dust cover to prevent anything from coming off and bouncing around.

I am not real fond of the Beogram 8000 and 8002 dust cover. The 400x series dust covers were really nice the way they could easily be removed. These 800x dust covers essentially snap in place and can be a little difficult. One big problem is if the plastic tabs break off. So when completely detaching the dust cover, be real careful when popping the plastic tabs loose. To completely disassemble the dust cover requires pulling out the long hinge rod (I haven't ever done that yet).

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Already, before the turntable arrives I suspect that the suspension in the cartridge is worn. Judging by this photo from the seller, it's off to the left of centre. As I said, I haven't had any experience with these decks. 

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But the photo isn't taken from directly above. I hope he packs that cartridge well as the cantilever is intact. It looks like it could be OK to me so long as he didn't have the TT working in the picture. A great cartridge and well worth repairing.

Good luck in receiving it all in one piece.

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chartz replied on Fri, Aug 28 2015 7:38 PM

Dave Farr:
But the photo isn't taken from directly above.

I agree with Dave. I checked mine with the same angle; your MMC looks fine to me. Now of course this doesn't say anything about the stylus.

 

Jacques

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Thanks for the input, 

 

It's been a few days and the tracking showed the package went to quite a few locations before arriving this morning. It was shipped via Ebay's GSP and UPSs i-parcel. Despite the awful reviews online I contacted them with a question and they replied within 10 minutes and included a new tracking number for Sagawa Express for the last few miles in Japan. The box arrived in good shape I'd say, no squished corners. The was an absence of 'Fragile' notices on the box. I thought not a good sign, To my surprise the seller had double boxed the 8000 with the platter off. Pretty well packed in styrofoam and plastic. The bad news was that it had been shipped with the suspension free and the cartridge on. Then again, I knew the seller was no B&O expert. 

Overall, the deck is in as described condition, excellent. cosmetically good, dust cover untracked, no swirl scratches. Wood in near perfect condition. I rather unsightly dent on the edge of the tonearm lid, that was pointed out in one of the seller's photos. It came with a basic DIN to RCA cable. I plugged it in and 33.33 and 45.00 came up on the display. A check of the tachodisc clearly shows that it is shot, so much so that it makes a noise as the plastic goes around. You can see from the photo what I mean. So I should order a stainless one. Someone has removed much of the adhesive on the deck as both facia around the platter and tonearm lid are unattached. 

I quick check of the stylus with the micro-nikkor shows the tip to be in good condition, but I don't have a microscope. The cantilever of pretty much central, I don't know about the suspension. I guess what is left is to play a record, but the tachodisc is in such bad shape perhaps I should wait for a replacement? 

 

Could someone tell me what else I should be checking? I guess the capacitors are original too. Please check out my pics below. 


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And this one 


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And the tachodisc I'm sure some of you will recognise this condition:


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Very good!

There's not much risk trying the deck with a partially damaged tacho-disc. 

I'd say, go ahead, at the very least you'll know about the cart's condition. An MMC20CL must present no distorsion, even on torture tracks, even on the last track. It is not the most explicit cartridge in the treble, but it should be very clear and precise (detailed).

Jacques

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I've tried to play a record but not having much luck, trying through a Creek phono pre-amp. Cables were even picking up radio and I don't even have a receiver. I'm using a low power tube amp. The tonearm reaches the edge of a record on first plug in, and can be tracked back and forth using the arrows. The arm also drops down. But there seems to be intermittant power loss, the display frequently flashes 33. or 33.33. The tonearm does not seem to want to come out to the edge of the record on 2nd or 3rd attempt. I'm wary of damaging the cantilever if I permit before doing further investigation. 

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