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Lekruse posted on Sun, Aug 17 2014 4:52 AM

Hi,

im wondering how the BV7-55 mk2 fares against rivals such as Samsung, Panasonic etc. In regards to picture quality.

I own a 2013 Samsung topmodel 55 inch, but am considering moving to b&o as I have a set of beolab 9 connected through a denon receiver, and not quite satisfied with the "compromised" solution.

I got a great secondhand offer from my dealer, but I don't wan't a step down in PQ compared to 2013/2014 non b&o top models (as I have to spend even more money).

Anyone with any experience with this would be much valued.

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Answered (Verified) moxxey replied on Sun, Aug 17 2014 2:14 PM
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lekruse:

im wondering how the BV7-55 mk2 fares against rivals such as Samsung, Panasonic etc. In regards to picture quality.

There's another thread about the BV7-55 further down!

I'm not going to list the ins and outs of the BV7-55 - frankly I'm losing interest in the board from people constantly thinking "new TV equals better picture quality" - but I will say it has the best picture quality on the market, to this day, OLED aside. The reason for this is the locally dimmed backlit LCD panel which is almost unique to this TV (and the reason it cost £15K, new).

4K/new TVs does not mean better PQ. I'm sitting here watching Sky Sports 1 HD on my new Avant and, compared to my previous BV11-46, looks like upscaled SD in comparison. It's lost some of the sharpness I was used to with the BV11-46, simply due to the upscaling required for the 4K panel. So, you could argue the PQ has been *downgraded* with this panel, based on current TV.

If you have a set of BL9s, get yourself a BV7-55 with 7.4 and you'll have the best audio/video experience on the market (OLED aside). The only downside, is the size of the TV. But if you can live with that, it can't be bettered.

EDIT: I've switched to watching the Liverpool game on the BV10-32. Smaller screen, but much much sharper than the Avant!

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lekruse:

....but I don't wan't a step down in PQ compared to 2013/2014 non b&o top models (as I have to spend even more money).

Sure PQ is very important, but with a B&O-tv (a BV) it is the overall performance, that counts!

Personally I could not live with a non-B&O tv and BL's connected to a xxx receiver - no matter how good the PQ of the tv is.

MM

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Answered (Verified) moxxey replied on Sun, Aug 17 2014 2:14 PM
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lekruse:

im wondering how the BV7-55 mk2 fares against rivals such as Samsung, Panasonic etc. In regards to picture quality.

There's another thread about the BV7-55 further down!

I'm not going to list the ins and outs of the BV7-55 - frankly I'm losing interest in the board from people constantly thinking "new TV equals better picture quality" - but I will say it has the best picture quality on the market, to this day, OLED aside. The reason for this is the locally dimmed backlit LCD panel which is almost unique to this TV (and the reason it cost £15K, new).

4K/new TVs does not mean better PQ. I'm sitting here watching Sky Sports 1 HD on my new Avant and, compared to my previous BV11-46, looks like upscaled SD in comparison. It's lost some of the sharpness I was used to with the BV11-46, simply due to the upscaling required for the 4K panel. So, you could argue the PQ has been *downgraded* with this panel, based on current TV.

If you have a set of BL9s, get yourself a BV7-55 with 7.4 and you'll have the best audio/video experience on the market (OLED aside). The only downside, is the size of the TV. But if you can live with that, it can't be bettered.

EDIT: I've switched to watching the Liverpool game on the BV10-32. Smaller screen, but much much sharper than the Avant!

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Hopefully the august SW update for the Avant will help the PQ Moxxey. 

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Moxxey,

If I quite remember you own an oppo, did you try to use it for the upscale ? Maybe the results will be better.

The 7 55 has full led local diming but you can find other tv set with this feature for less money.

If you accept its weight and width, it is a very good tv.

beolab 5, beolab 9, beolab 3, beolab 10, beolab 5000, beolab 8000, beolab 3500, IWS 2000, beovision 7 55 mk2,  beotime, beogram 7000 white mmc2, beosound ouverture, beosound essence, beomaster 900 RG de luxe and the collection continues...

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lekruse:

....but I don't wan't a step down in PQ compared to 2013/2014 non b&o top models (as I have to spend even more money).

Sure PQ is very important, but with a B&O-tv (a BV) it is the overall performance, that counts!

Personally I could not live with a non-B&O tv and BL's connected to a xxx receiver - no matter how good the PQ of the tv is.

MM

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moxxey replied on Mon, Aug 18 2014 9:31 PM

olvisab:
If I quite remember you own an oppo, did you try to use it for the upscale ? Maybe the results will be better.

You can't upscale the Sky content via the Oppo (well, you might be able to, but you can't control the Sky box via the remote, if you do). As it's not setup this way, I've not tested Sky upscaling via the Oppo.

But football/sport on the Avant is mediocre. B&O started a thread about the Trusted Reviews Avant review, I posted a comment and a few Avant owners agreed with me: https://www.facebook.com/bangolufsen?ref=br_tf

I expect B&O's social media team to have those negative comments erased by tomorrow, so read soon.

Football via my Avant is like very high quality SD, not HD. I think it's the fast motion across the uniformly coloured grass that doesn't help.

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Thanks for your answer moxxey.

Which oppo do you use ?

beolab 5, beolab 9, beolab 3, beolab 10, beolab 5000, beolab 8000, beolab 3500, IWS 2000, beovision 7 55 mk2,  beotime, beogram 7000 white mmc2, beosound ouverture, beosound essence, beomaster 900 RG de luxe and the collection continues...

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Roger replied on Tue, Aug 19 2014 9:54 AM

Interesting feedback, Moxxey - I still haven't received my Avant, but I was planning on routing the STB signal through an OPPO 103d and using the latter for 4k upscaling. Can't you set the Oppo to "always on" in order to control the Sky box via the remote? The OPPO 103d/105d are among the best video processors out there at the moment IMHO.

B&O has a special cable with a mini jack at the end of it, so you do not need to glue the IR-blaster to the front of the OPPO but instead you can just insert the mini jack at the IR-IN port on the back of it.

Roger

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I guess the problem will not be controlling the OPPO, but PUC-controlling the STB connected via the OPPO.

How about using one of these for connecting the STB to the BV:

http://darbeevision.com/darblet

MM

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Roger replied on Tue, Aug 19 2014 10:48 AM

I plan on running a PUC cable to the OPPO 103d and a separate cable to the STB, the only identified obstacle seems to be input selection on the OPPO to make sure the HDMI-signal is routed through it without having to operate the OPPO.

The Darblet box linked above (DVP-5000) does the same thing as the 103d, but the 103 can also process video without applying the Darbee-trickery. And the Darblet costs $349, but if you buy the OPPO 103 with Darblet it only costs $99 (OPPO 103 is without Darbee-processing, the 103d has it for just $99 more).

OPPO also offer a special firmware version of the 103/103d/105/105d without the logo if you prefer a sleek look on your BeoVision without 3rd party logos on the screen. These OPPO's can be bought through any B&O dealer.

Roger

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moxxey replied on Tue, Aug 19 2014 12:08 PM

Roger:

I plan on running a PUC cable to the OPPO 103d and a separate cable to the STB, the only identified obstacle seems to be input selection on the OPPO to make sure the HDMI-signal is routed through it without having to operate the OPPO.

Let me know how/if you achieve this Roger.

I did follow this advice from the Trusted Reviews review and it does appear to sharpen things up a bit with a good HD source: "And once we’d turned off the noise reduction and overscan features (heaven only knows why B&O decided to leave these on with footage as pristine as 4K/UHD), we were impressed with what we saw."

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@Roger

I did mention the Darblet just in case it will not be possible to route the signal from one of the inputs on the OPPO without first turning on the OPPO. (I already knew the price of the Darblet!)

But you seem to be more interested in the general video processing (of the OPPO) than in the Darbee (trickery), which I can understand. Would be interesting to know, whether the Darbee processing does any good on the Avant (or on the 7-55), or if we should turn it off?

I am also very interested in hearing, if the OPPO will do the 'routing thing''. I could not find anything to clarify this - I guess it's just interesting for B&O users.

As the OPPO has two HDMI-in's it would be nice to be able to connect an ATV this way too.

MM

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moxxey replied on Tue, Aug 19 2014 2:21 PM

Millemissen:

As the OPPO has two HDMI-in's it would be nice to be able to connect an ATV this way too.

Bizarrely, I find the Avant is very good at upscaling ATV content. No idea why. ATV content looks superb on the Avant. No need to push that through the Oppo.

One other thing that's annoying me about my Avant is the constant light<>dark panel changes it makes whilst you're watching the TV. Who thought this was a wise idea? "Guys, we need the Avant to check and refresh every 30 seconds!". It's noticeable and, worse, sometimes goes dark to light, to dark, back to light, without any changes to the room lighting! The BV11 was better at handling low-light conditions than the Avant.

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Thank you for the replies. Your right MM. The experience is just not right without a 100% B&o system.

Im sure i wanna get a beovision.

I really wanted to get BeoSystem 4 on my TV set, as i like to be able to software update on my own, aswell as PUC's.

Unfortunatly im extremly picky with sound quality, especially center channel. Used to own b&w CM series which is great (CM centre 2).

listened to the Avant center channel aswell as BV11, and none of them compared to what I was used to. Would have liked the option to mount BL7,4 on the Avant.

So for me It's a choice between Beosystem 4 and lack of highend center channel, or Beosystem 3 and highend center channel.

what would you guys pick?

//Mike

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lekruse:

listened to the Avant center channel aswell as BV11, and none of them compared to what I was used to. Would have liked the option to mount BL7,4 on the Avant.

Adding a 7-4 as center to the Avant should not be a problem.

You can configure the speakers of the Avant just as you like it - including disabling them.

And you can add any BL and make that any channel you like.

So just add the 7-4 as a center-speaker in the settings.

Only problem is - as far as I know - you will have the speakers coming out from under the tv, when you turn it on.

Maybe some day it will be possible to disable that too.

 

If you use a BeoSystem4 and a non-B&O display/screen/tv, you can (of course) add the BL7-4 as a center -  if that is your choice.

You could even use the CM centre 2, if you use a fitting monoblock amp and the right cables.

 

MM

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