Sign in   |  Join   |  Help

BeoSound Moment

rated by 0 users
This post has 1,272 Replies | 13 Followers

BeoGreg
Top 75 Contributor
South of France
Posts 1,413
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
BeoGreg replied on Wed, Dec 17 2014 1:32 PM
BeoBoy68:

[Wood prototype]

Appart for a lumberjack who would make a music system prototype out of wood ?

I think this is just the real thing on a bad picture. It's supposed to have a wood part, it as.

BeoBoy68
Top 75 Contributor
FRANCE
Posts 1,234
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
BeoBoy68 replied on Wed, Dec 17 2014 1:50 PM
The BeoSound will cost approximatively € 2.000.-.

The photo show a product totally in wood. I think the real product use only side parts in wood.

Hoping Bang & Olufsen will do a version in black or white like they did with BeoLab 18 front grill. Yes - thumbs up
js
Top 200 Contributor
Posts 379
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
js replied on Wed, Dec 17 2014 2:22 PM

I would really love that the Moment enables to create Speaker Groups, like a Beovision but in an audio only setup (I am an audio only guy, I don't need/want a Beovision, but I need Speaker Groups to accommodate several listening positions).

If it does that (and the genre>artist>album library browsing sequence), I will buy immediately.

js
Top 200 Contributor
Posts 379
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
js replied on Wed, Dec 17 2014 2:30 PM

Barry Santini:

Genre is fuzzy.

Only if you are lazy. Manual retagging requires a bit of discipline (especially for classical music) but is very much worth it when you are serious about library management.

Barry Santini:

Go out and enjoy.

Doing so already with a non-B&O music server and Beolab speaker Smile  Love my setup, but would not disregard a full B&O setup if it can do the same.

David Andel
Not Ranked
Posts 32
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

BeoGreg:
Appart for a lumberjack who would make a music system prototype out of wood ?

I think this is just the real thing on a bad picture. It's supposed to have a wood part, it as.

This whole BeoSound Moment waiting period is getting more and more frustrating. When I bought my first B&O product (two BeoLab 5) in 2006, it was the perfect mix of design and technology – there wasn’t anything better neither optically nor acoustically as it digitally connected to my Macintosh with a huge collection of lossless sound files and also perfectly integrated with the kind of interior design I prefer. I also remember when B&O told their customers in the "BeoLounge" that they’re very much attached to the Bauhaus design. This now seems to have changed and B&O is following the Scandinavian variation, I never could attach to. And while I waited endlessly for a product with a scrolling wheel like the BeoSound 5 had but mainly used as a remote (volume and selection) control for my already existing collection, it never came. It also remains a mystery to me why B&O were (are?) still preferring the analogue output over the SP/DIF connection and the BeoLab 5 will even be replaced by another product before they launched a really integrated sound system using digital standards only. I miss the possibility of a manual volume control for my BeoLab 5 which could have been something like an iPad with a B&O made application and a beautiful made mechanical aluminium scrolling wheel. The BeoSound Essence could have been close but then again has no digital output. And now this wooden coffin with most probably everything integrated but some form of mechanical control …

Peter the Biker
Top 100 Contributor
Eastwestfalia
Posts 893
OFFLINE
Gold Member

BeoGreg:
BeoBoy68:

[Wood prototype]

Appart for a lumberjack who would make a music system prototype out of wood ?

I think this is just the real thing on a bad picture. It's supposed to have a wood part, it as.

If I remember my visit to the R&D department in Struer correctly there were quite a few pre-prototypes in different materials like wood, clay, metal ...

And once upon a time quite a few things made by B&O had wooden surfaces ...

And a friend of a friend of mine told him that there still wood is used beside other materials in modern A/V products (not only steampunk)

SCNR

Peter the biker

Steph
Top 100 Contributor
France
Posts 1,005
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Steph replied on Wed, Dec 17 2014 4:36 PM

I think a touch of wood is very cool.

Mixing materials is often a good combination.

For exemple, i find the BeoLab 18 wood Lamellas amazing ! Yes - thumbs up

Chris
Top 75 Contributor
Ostend-BE
Posts 1,169
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Chris replied on Wed, Dec 17 2014 5:14 PM

Steph:

Roger said :

" they have kept the wood that can be touched in the same way "

Roger is very close....

"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."

Peter the Biker
Top 100 Contributor
Eastwestfalia
Posts 893
OFFLINE
Gold Member

Did anybody notice this beophile statement?

http://beophile.com/?p=22308

No pictures, but a few helpful words ...

  • wireless streaming to the new wireless WiSA BeoLab speakers
  • Internet radio
  • MOTS
  • cable/wireless/Netlink
  • integration with Deezer

Peter the biker

Paul W
Top 50 Contributor
London
Posts 1,810
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Paul W replied on Wed, Dec 17 2014 7:21 PM

Interesting but every report and story concludes 'software problems'. B&O have never been able to rectify software problems with their TVs according to this forum, how on earth will they be able to make this Moment work? I think that this will end in tears for many customers and they majority know this in their hearts! Software is NOT B&O's strong points.

But, it's going to be an interesting forum read for next year.

Streaming from an Apple TV to a BV to loudspeakers seems a lot more reliable!

Jeff
Top 25 Contributor
USA
Posts 3,743
OFFLINE
Silver Member
Jeff replied on Wed, Dec 17 2014 7:28 PM

Steph:

I think a touch of wood is very cool.

Mixing materials is often a good combination.

For exemple, i find the BeoLab 18 wood Lamellas amazing ! Yes - thumbs up

That's good for a new product and matches the speakers, but my living room is pretty devoid of wood except for the coffee table and on a couple of chairs, minimally. All the AV equipment is black and metal, combo of Panasonic and B&O so wood wouldn't match well unless it was black.

Jeff

I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus. Sad

vlohjr1
Top 150 Contributor
Posts 457
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
vlohjr1 replied on Wed, Dec 17 2014 7:50 PM
Peter the Biker:

Did anybody notice this beophile statement?

http://beophile.com/?p=22308

No pictures, but a few helpful words ...

wireless streaming to the new wireless WiSA BeoLab speakers Internet radio MOTS cable/wireless/Netlink integration with Deezer Peter the biker

Does that mean if one only has beotransmitter connected that is sufficient? And no essence required?UnsureUnsure
Steph
Top 100 Contributor
France
Posts 1,005
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Steph replied on Wed, Dec 17 2014 8:15 PM

Right Jeff,

But may be wood will be an option, or we could choose between different finishes like the Essence table stand.

BeoBoy68
Top 75 Contributor
FRANCE
Posts 1,234
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
BeoBoy68 replied on Wed, Dec 17 2014 8:42 PM
Steph:

But may be wood will be an option, or we could choose between different finishes.

Certainly Yes - thumbs up

koning
Top 25 Contributor
holland
Posts 4,199
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
koning replied on Wed, Dec 17 2014 9:10 PM

can it handle the 24/96 files without downscaling?

Chris Townsend
Top 50 Contributor
Badsey, UK
Posts 3,383
OFFLINE
Gold Member
If done well which I'm sure it will, wood is cool. The Deezer thing doesn't appeal to me really but I'm sure that will grow on folk, although the CEO of Spotify is talking about Lossless quality downloads coming. Currently Spotify and Deezer both broadcast at the same 320 Mbps.

Get wood[:\'(]

Beovision Eclipse, BeoLab 17,Beolit 15, Beoplay A2 Active

Millemissen
Top 10 Contributor
Flensborg, Denmark
Posts 13,109
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

I'll have to start a new thread then - the 'woodthread' Whistle

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

BeoBoy68
Top 75 Contributor
FRANCE
Posts 1,234
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
BeoBoy68 replied on Wed, Dec 17 2014 10:17 PM
David Andel:

This whole BeoSound Moment waiting period is getting more and more frustrating. When I bought my first B&O product (two BeoLab 5) in 2006, it was the perfect mix of design and technology – there wasn’t anything better neither optically nor acoustically as it digitally connected to my Macintosh with a huge collection of lossless sound files and also perfectly integrated with the kind of interior design I prefer. I also remember when B&O told their customers in the "BeoLounge" that they’re very much attached to the Bauhaus design. This now seems to have changed and B&O is following the Scandinavian variation, I never could attach to. And while I waited endlessly for a product with a scrolling wheel like the BeoSound 5 had but mainly used as a remote (volume and selection) control for my already existing collection, it never came. It also remains a mystery to me why B&O were (are?) still preferring the analogue output over the SP/DIF connection and the BeoLab 5 will even be replaced by another product before they launched a really integrated sound system using digital standards only. I miss the possibility of a manual volume control for my BeoLab 5 which could have been something like an iPad with a B&O made application and a beautiful made mechanical aluminium scrolling wheel. The BeoSound Essence could have been close but then again has no digital output. And now this wooden coffin with most probably everything integrated but some form of mechanical control …

I understand your needs.

Please see. Devialet audio.

http://en.devialet.com/devialet-120-en

Brigantinus
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 139
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

...... or a LINN, or a KRELL, or a Burmester, or a .............

I wanna have a B&O: in the normal case they have a wonderful design, are easy to use, their Sound is upper class and they are more or less affordable....... 

 

David Andel
Not Ranked
Posts 32
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

BeoBoy68:
I understand your needs.

Please see. Devialet audio.

Many thanks. Somebody mentioned this here already a while ago and I took a look then. What drives me crazy in cases like the Devialet is the complete lack of real B&O integration while it has features I just do not need (e. g. the integrated amp). It remains mysterious why the BeoLab 5 never got any useful accessories on the interface level. It has everything integrated it needs (digital amps, digital signal processors, digital volume handling etc.) but then they gave you the more than spartan Beo 4 to control the beast if you did not want to go the classic BeoSound way with all its non existent connectivity to the modern world.

David Andel
Not Ranked
Posts 32
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

Brigantinus:

...... or a LINN, or a KRELL, or a Burmester, or a .............

I wanna have a B&O: in the normal case they have a wonderful design, are easy to use, their Sound is upper class and they are more or less affordable.......

Same here. The BeoSound Moment might be the last chance a non-traditonal B&O customer gives them. It was such a challenge over the years to stay loyal to B&O which has been mainly positively influenced by their impeccable David Lewis design approach and build quality, while I really hated them for things like the Beo5 or Beo6 which I officially couldn’t even configure myself (have they realized in Struer that the technological world changes nearly permanently and did they truly imagine customers going to their dealer every week?). So if the BeoSound Moment is the missing link between an iTunes or whatever already existing music collection and if it lets the user finally digitally connect the easy way to it while it also serves as a more sensitive approach to control the volume level of their actual and future speaker range it will be the most welcome addition for at least some of us waiting for nearly a decade now. The BeoSound Moment needs as least SP/DIF input and output and intelligent solutions in the application area to obtain a high level of sophistication but it most certainly should not reinvent the wheel like the BeoSound 5 tried without success.

Millemissen
Top 10 Contributor
Flensborg, Denmark
Posts 13,109
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

David Andel:

.... but then they gave you the more than spartan Beo 4 to control the beast if you did not want to go the classic BeoSound way with all its non existent connectivity to the modern world.

What do you want to control by a BL5 - except for the volumen?

I guess those, who don't use (or want to use) the classic BeoSound, feed the BL5's with a digital signal from a computer, a CD transport or from some kind of media player.

This source is, what you control -  not the speakers.

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

David Andel
Not Ranked
Posts 32
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

Millemissen:

What do you want to control by a BL5 - except for the volumen?

Various sources for example. If I understand correctly, in the world of B&O all this is done by a television set. This I just never considered as efficient approach – except for videos.

I guess those, who don't use (or want to use) the classic BeoSound, feed the BL5's with a digital signal from a computer, a CD transport or from some kind of media player.

This source is, what you control -  not the speakers.

And there comes the BeoSound Moment or whatsoever. It could serve as a link between your already existing sources and the digital active speaker, wireless or not. If you control the volume digitally via your source you’re automatically sacrificing parts of the resolution (and it’s everything else than elegant).

Chris Townsend
Top 50 Contributor
Badsey, UK
Posts 3,383
OFFLINE
Gold Member
I hope B&O haven't dropped a massive clanger by going with Deezer. Spotify have cornered the market and are already in a lot of current B&O products. Why change?

Linn is going with Tidal, which considering the quality of their downloads are technically 5 times better than either Spotify or Deezer(both 320 mbps although Spotify is rumoured to be going Lossless) is not surprising.

http://news.linn.co.uk/news/2014/12/linn-ds-now-integrates-with-tidal.php?utm_source=Linn+Email&utm_campaign=5e9bb4d773-Promo_TIDAL_ALL_ExPrevious12_17_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_517fad5333-5e9bb4d773-318007925

Beovision Eclipse, BeoLab 17,Beolit 15, Beoplay A2 Active

Millemissen
Top 10 Contributor
Flensborg, Denmark
Posts 13,109
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

@Chris

With a modern audiosystem (like the BS Moment is aupposed to be) the user should be able to pick the music streaming service of his own choice.

Not the company, but the costumer, has to decide with whom (which service) he makes a contract for music listening.

Imagine a cd player that could only be used with cd's from Sony Crying

Or a bluray player that will only play titles from Warner Bros. Crying

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

Chris Townsend
Top 50 Contributor
Badsey, UK
Posts 3,383
OFFLINE
Gold Member
I agree, which is exactly what I do with my mini iPad via Airplay. Spotify/Tidal/ITunes/Tunein radio etc

Beovision Eclipse, BeoLab 17,Beolit 15, Beoplay A2 Active

Millemissen
Top 10 Contributor
Flensborg, Denmark
Posts 13,109
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

@David Andel

Means that I am correct by saying that you don't control the BL5!

Which source (with or without a preamp) you use, is up to you - of course.

The BL5 can be directly connected through the spdif to a source with spdif out.

There is no absolute need for an external preamp with these - you can control the volumen directly with the Beo4.

If you choose to control the volumen externally (in the digital domain), that is your own choice - but you don't need to.

The BL5 - and all other BL's - were built to be connected to the preamp in the BV's (or in the BeoSound's) using PowerLink connections.

 

That is the way most people use them.

They are used equally for sound from a music/stereo source as for a video/stereo or multichannel source, and therefore need the preamp/source switching function of the BV/BS. 

I can't imagine, that a BS Moment should work in a different way - the speakers being connected digitally or not.

MM

 

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

Millemissen
Top 10 Contributor
Flensborg, Denmark
Posts 13,109
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

Chris Townsend:
I agree, which is exactly what I do with my mini iPad via Airplay. Spotify/Tidal/ITunes/Tunein radio etc

That is why I use to say, that the Playmaker was the best B&O bargain, I made for years.

I wonder if the BS Moment can beat the iPad/Airplay combo.

And if - in which way?

That is still not clear.

Being a fancy 'wood and glass box' is not enough for me.

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

Chris Townsend
Top 50 Contributor
Badsey, UK
Posts 3,383
OFFLINE
Gold Member
Me neither. Why would I want to give up that combo, except brand loyalty and my insatiable desire to blow the kids inheritance. If you own an Avant that has Spotify and WISA transmitters in, I'm guessing the moment won't be for you.

I get the feeling it's going to be a beautifully cool unit though.

Beovision Eclipse, BeoLab 17,Beolit 15, Beoplay A2 Active

kimchr
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 160
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
kimchr replied on Thu, Dec 18 2014 9:57 PM

Since the stand alone BeoSystem 4 does not have Wisa, I hope the Moment will be able to act as a transmitter while my wired speakers are still connected to the Beosystem 4. I almost pulled the trigger on a wisa transmitter but in the end i decided to wait and see.

I will take delivery of a pair of BL18 any day now but I will wire them while waiting for the Moment.

Millemissen
Top 10 Contributor
Flensborg, Denmark
Posts 13,109
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

If the Moment is NL-enabled, it should be possible to 'connect' it to a BSys4 and use the BS Moment sources (whatever they might be) as shared sources - even if there are no speakers connected directly to the Moment.

Please notice, that I wrote 'if'.

Still waiting for confirmation from 'those who know more'.

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

David Andel
Not Ranked
Posts 32
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

Millemissen:

@David Andel

Means that I am correct by saying that you don't control the BL5!

Which source (with or without a preamp) you use, is up to you - of course.

The BL5 can be directly connected through the spdif to a source with spdif out.

There is no absolute need for an external preamp with these - you can control the volumen directly with the Beo4.

If you choose to control the volumen externally (in the digital domain), that is your own choice - but you don't need to.

The BL5 - and all other BL's - were built to be connected to the preamp in the BV's (or in the BeoSound's) using PowerLink connections.

Well, yes. And controlling the BeoLab 5 using a TV set seems everything but intelligent (if not stupid). That’s the reason I’d prefer the BeoSound way, just that there wasn’t one tempting enough until now.

That is the way most people use them.

If it is of any interest to you, I currently use my own remote control solution with my own graphical user interface on our iOS devices, mostly just copying the infrared codes (except for the more recent Hues which have been thankfully integrated by the app developer). This very individual user interface is permitting us the integration of our old LC2 dimmers as well as some Philips Hues and of course the BeoLab 5 and all the other non-B&O equipment.

They are used equally for sound from a music/stereo source as for a video/stereo or multichannel source, and therefore need the preamp/source switching function of the BV/BS.

So the BeoSound Moment could be just what I’m waiting for as until now no B&O solution was entirely convincing. The device should absolutely have a SP/DIF output as otherwise the sound quality would suffer without justification. And of course it should not again be its own music storing system but a client solution as we all are already using our NAS or iTunes or whatsoever server.

I can't imagine, that a BS Moment should work in a different way - the speakers being connected digitally or not.

They should be connected digitally, otherwise I’m asking myself in which century B&O is living. I’m still puzzled by the fact that the Essence comes with an analogue output only and its predecessor Playmaker was made out of IKEA-like plastic using the outdated wireless 802.11 b/g standard.

Millemissen
Top 10 Contributor
Flensborg, Denmark
Posts 13,109
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

What is wrong with the analog (PowerLink) output?

And what is wrong with wireless b/g for streaming music?

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

olvisab
Top 75 Contributor
Posts 1,362
OFFLINE
Silver Member
olvisab replied on Thu, Dec 18 2014 11:45 PM
Millemissen:

That is why I use to say, that the Playmaker was the best B&O bargain, I made for years.

I wonder if the BS Moment can beat the iPad/Airplay combo.

And if - in which way?

That is still not clear.

Being a fancy 'wood and glass box' is not enough for me.

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

Better than the ipad/airplay combo is the ipad/mlgw/airplay/bm5 combo , that's the best of the two worlds.

However, there is place for something different.

beolab 5, beolab 9, beolab 3, beolab 10, beolab 5000, beolab 8000, beolab 3500, IWS 2000, beovision 7 55 mk2,  beotime, beogram 7000 white mmc2, beosound ouverture, beosound essence, beomaster 900 RG de luxe and the collection continues...

lano
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 161
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
lano replied on Fri, Dec 19 2014 7:32 AM
olvisab:

Better than the ipad/airplay combo is the ipad/mlgw/airplay/bm5 combo , that's the best of the two worlds.

How do you AirPlay to BM5?
olvisab
Top 75 Contributor
Posts 1,362
OFFLINE
Silver Member
olvisab replied on Fri, Dec 19 2014 8:24 AM

With the Shairport4w free software you install on your bm5.

beolab 5, beolab 9, beolab 3, beolab 10, beolab 5000, beolab 8000, beolab 3500, IWS 2000, beovision 7 55 mk2,  beotime, beogram 7000 white mmc2, beosound ouverture, beosound essence, beomaster 900 RG de luxe and the collection continues...

Millemissen
Top 10 Contributor
Flensborg, Denmark
Posts 13,109
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

An expensive solution (with a DIY twist).

As a company you can't sell enough of those to survive.

We need something else - something simpler!

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

David Andel
Not Ranked
Posts 32
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

Millemissen:

What is wrong with the analog (PowerLink) output?

That should be obvious. For a digital speaker it means you’re influencing the transmission chain without any need, e. g. additional distortion and a lower signal-to-noise ratio as well as electrical problems with the cables and connections involved resulting in an inevitable loss of sound quality. The less you influence/manipulate the digital signal, the better the output will be. So why investing in a digital speaker in the first place? Many people here are already asking for higher resolutions while the current ones are still not handled well and the higher ones are even overburdening the human ear.

And what is wrong with wireless b/g for streaming music?

What’s wrong with yesteryears standards? Well, this forces you to configure your whole WiFi network downwards compatible, resulting in a loss of bandwidth for the devices supporting recent transmission rates. Or you’d have to maintain a separate network for the Playmaker only (why on earth should one do that?). Nowadays modern routers and WiFi access points are supporting 802.11ac which is two or more generations later. B&O are using standards from 1999 (802.11b) or 2003 (802.11g) which is some sort of IT stone age …

BeoBoy68
Top 75 Contributor
FRANCE
Posts 1,234
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
BeoBoy68 replied on Sat, Dec 20 2014 3:50 AM
@ David

Often Bang & Olufsen don't use last technologies. (Not allways, let's see WISA.)

One reason why audiophile music lovers laugh about B&O.

People generally appreciate B&O just for the design and not for technics used.

If you listen to the sound and if you look at the picture, they are amazing.

Still Bang & Olufsen keeps an avant-garde spirit. Yes - thumbs up

koning
Top 25 Contributor
holland
Posts 4,199
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
koning replied on Sat, Dec 20 2014 9:44 AM

Oke',

but a beosound 5 who downscaled the 24 bit files made me CRY!

Page 4 of 32 (1273 items) « First ... < Previous 2 3 4 5 6 Next > ... Last » | RSS
Beoworld Security Certificate

SSL