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Moment + MinimServer - What's is the Best Server Settings?

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kimhav posted on Wed, Aug 4 2021 9:55 AM

Aware that there are several other threads that talks about MinimServer tweaks to a certain extend and of course there is MinimServers forum as well together with the online documentation, but looking now to switch from Twonky to MinimServers and would like to pick the community's collective brains for the best MinimServer settings when used together with Beosound Moment.

Of course there are also some small tweaking to be made on the Moment, thought limited, and the important one would be the switching to Expert mode. This made my Moment far more stable based on that it's not constant scanning for new DLNA data. After that I noticed that my Twonky after couple of month falls to sleep, well more coma, it's not responding which I then notice on the Moment :-) Hence why I'm looking at MinimServer.

Been toying around with a MinimServer Ubuntu Docker installation which works out fine and some tweaks seems to work fine. Also, recall that Moment is fairly limited to what it picks up from the DLNA tags based on the audio files (mp3/FLAC) and some of the nice tweaks that MinimServer has in the documentation doesn't really fly with Moment.

Also, based on the current MinimServer v2.x, did anyone manage to get the Artist image to work out or is this still only working with Twonky using 'beoartists' folder. Was this ever picked up and can be used with MinimServer or are there other tricks?

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Carolpa:

That is what I'm reading in your posts. Where is your positive attitude to reach, search, solve questions like these.

Maybe you should also read « pragmatism » in my posts ?

I’m a simple product end user with decent tech background, I don’t have the control of the Moment code, nor the Minimserver one, and my analysis conclusion is that there is nothing people like me can do to make the Moment think the Minimserver DLNA music server is also a photo DLNA server with a BEOARTISTS directory full of artists’ images, i guess you can understand that don’t you?

If I was a talented dev, I would write a multi platform proxy DLNA server to direct music and photo requests to appropriate DLNA servers, maybe it exists somewhere, I didn’t search and I also don’t want to invest more time in a divest product like the Moment which may also soon loose its Deezer compatibility (IFTTT is dropping Deezer as Deezer no longer publish its API which is maybe the sign of a coming change that will force third party vendor to adapt their code …. guess what for the Moment)

That said, I fully support your effort.

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While I'm not a developer, but one might say that some of the tweaks that Moment customers are looking for shouldn't be that much of an efforts, if the dev team is still around. Another option which is far fetched would be to ask B&O to make either the full software or partial software open source which would allow for tweaks. Of course I can't see this happen, but who knows they've kind of tried a few hardware projects such as the HiFiBerry were they dipped their toes into the sharing and developing something for the community.

About the Moment, is there a Moment 2021 thread and is it worth trying to compile a priorities list of update request to be shared from multiply customers.Who knows, they might cave in (can always wish).

Going back to the MinimServer, it's up and running and doing so fine and I can live without the Artist images which was kind of nice and I just need to use the Bang Olufsen app a bit more which I very rarely use.

Question then again about the Moment Expert Mode; does it make sense to enable this for MinimServer?

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Carolpa:

Looks much better with the customized icons compared with the stock icons that Bang Olufsen app shows by default which looks quite boring. So thanks for this showcase of the BnO app.

 

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kimhav:

Question then again about the Moment Expert Mode; does it make sense to enable this for MinimServer?

I used to leverage the Expert Mode to (1) get the control over Moment database refresh and to avoid continuous scanning of my music library (55 k tracks) triggered by Twonky default playlists updates (last played and most played) and (2) to manage my own artists images.

Minimserver does not have such playlists that gets updated each time you play, so without Expert Mode turned on, Moment updates would occur automatically only when your music library content changes (add/remove/change), unless Minimserver sends state changes when music is played, I haven’t tested it in depth on this front.

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Thanks for confirming with regards to Expert Mode and MinimServer. Twonky constantly updating the playlists quickly killed the Moment so that was the only option to get it to work stable.

And to summarize the all the tweaking that can be done with MinimServer won't affect the Moment unit but will have an impact, for the better, on the BeoLiving and Bang Olufsen app.

The follow-up question is of course what config/settings are you using with MinimServer v2`? Since I'm still exploring the wealth of parameters and tweaks available for MinimServer this is what I'm currently running with:

indexTags = Albumartist, Artist, Date, Genre, All Artists, Composer
serverOptions = indexArtwork=folder

Added the Albumartist to have the index sort by Albumartist instead of Artist tag and then of course the indexArtwork tag which we already discussed in the thread.

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Minimserver is running with these settings:

alphaGroup = All=100
contentDir = {F:\Photo}{F:\Stereo}
displayName = BeoServer
indexTags = AlbumArtist, All Artists, #Audioformat:Format, #AudioChannels:#Channels, #AudioQuality:Quality
itemTags = Tracknumber
.logLevel = info
mergeFolderAlbums = true
serverOptions = indexArtwork=all, artworkFolder=BEOARTISTS
stream.options = convOut=-af volume=+3dB
stream.transcode = dsf:wav24;96, flac(88):wav24;96, wav(88):wav24;96, wav(>96):wav24;96, flac(>96):wav24;96
tagFormat = Artist.displayFormat={$Artist}, Title.displayFormat={$Tracknumber^^. ^$Title^^}, AlbumArtist.displayFormat={$AlbumArtist}
tagOptions = items.sortTags={#AudioChannels, Album, tracknumber}

This is the setting used for the Minimserver set for the Moment and Beosound 5 Encore (of course also accessable to other NL devices) 

Another second Minimserver is running with "wider" specs (surround files for example, etc.)

See the differences:

1. indexTags: All Artists  -> if only Albumartist is in the tag, it will also show for "Artist"

2. indexArtwork: set to all -> in a dedicated folder the artwork is searched, if not present the artwork from an album is shown

3. tagFormat: Title.displayFormat -> this way the server will show the <tracknumber>. <title>. It uses the tracknummer and title stored in the tags

Example: "01. Shine on you crazy diamond"  is shown by the player/renderer

 

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@Mbolo01

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mbolo01:
That said, I fully support your effort.
I can't get the artists visible in the Moment. It seem I did forget a step but I don't know which one......... or what I'm doing wrong?

1. using Twonky

2. Set directory /Photo with all Artists pictures. Within is a subdirectory named "BEOARTISTS".

3. this /Photo directory is set-up as Photo's only 

4. Name of picture file is identical to Name in music file tag 

5. Twonky set as DLNA server on Moment; Moment set to Expert mode; rebuild the db.

No pictures shown? What did I forget since the last use of the Expert mode?

 

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kimhav:
The follow-up question is of course what config/settings are you using with MinimServer v2
This option is also excellent (but not available on the Moment):

see for example "Abbey Road"

There are two entries; one are all stereo albums, the other are multichannel versions of Abbey road.

 

Selecting the Stereo versions of Abbey Road; one can select the original USB version of 2009, the new 24bit-96kHz of 2018 and the Sessions CD's of the Extension Edition. If you give the command play in this screen, all the three choices will be played in succession.

but you can choose one of the three; below the 24bit-96kHz version is chosen.

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Carolpa:

2. Set directory /Photo with all Artists pictures. Within is a subdirectory named "BEOARTISTS".

If I’m reading you well, you misplaced the pictures. Artists pictures must be moved in the BEOARTISTS directory

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mbolo01:

If I’m reading you well, you misplaced the pictures. Artists pictures must be moved in the BEOARTISTS directory BS Moment, BS Core, BG 4002, BC 4500, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1

I didn’t wrote it how it actually is.

The /photo is the picture directory which is scanned by Twonky. Within this directory you find the BEOARTISTS directory. This directory contains the Artists pictures.

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Carolpa:
The /photo is the picture directory which is scanned by Twonky. Within this directory you find the BEOARTISTS directory. This directory contains the Artists pictures.

Then I don't see any issue in your settings. I just did a reset on mine to confirm these settings and I can see the pictures properly associated to the artist tiles (I have a test library with a few albums).

If your library is large, from memory, it can take some time after a rebuild to display the picture.

I trust you have done all the possible controls, but here are the ones I'm thinking about: Control that you can properly see the artists pictures exposed by Twonky from the Twonky UI or any other DLNA photo renderer Look for any error message in the Moment notifications Make sure picture name perfectly match artist name as exposed by the Moment, names are case sensitive Check that there is no trailing blank character in BEOARTISTS folder name (depending on the O/S used)

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mbolo01:
Carolpa:
The /photo is the picture directory which is scanned by Twonky. Within this directory you find the BEOARTISTS directory. This directory contains the Artists pictures.
Then I don't see any issue in your settings. I just did a reset on mine to confirm these settings and I can see the pictures properly associated to the artist tiles (I have a test library with a few albums).

If your library is large, from memory, it can take some time after a rebuild to display the picture.

I trust you have done all the possible controls, but here are the ones I'm thinking about: Control that you can properly see the artists pictures exposed by Twonky from the Twonky UI or any other DLNA photo renderer Look for any error message in the Moment notifications Make sure picture name perfectly match artist name as exposed by the Moment, names are case sensitive Check that there is no trailing blank character in BEOARTISTS folder name (depending on the O/S used)

Thx 

I will recheck my settings. I will make a test environnement with a few artists and albums. 

Note: Minimserver uses/scans the same pictures and compares it with the same music tags. There all works fine.

 

addition: what file type and file size do you use?

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Carolpa:
addition: what file type and file size do you use?

JPEG files and size is usually small, average 200KB.

Image size is a very good point, didn't think about that. I usually resize my album covers to be under 1MB as I think I remember having issues with the Moment when they were larger, so I would not be surprised that a large artist image fails to be processed by the Moment, I'll give a try.

EDIT: I added an album of a new artist with image size = 3.2 MB, there was no issue adding it

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mbolo01:

Carolpa:
addition: what file type and file size do you use?

JPEG files and size is usually small, average 200KB.

Image size is a very good point, didn't think about that. I usually resize my album covers to be under 1MB as I think I remember having issues with the Moment when they were larger, so I would not be surprised that a large artist image fails to be processed by the Moment, I'll give a try.

EDIT: I added an album of a new artist with image size = 3.2 MB, there was no issue adding it

Hi,

my Moment keeps refusing to display the Artists,....grrr

Do you use the latest Twonky Server? At "mediareceivers" how are the settings for your Moment? thx in advance

 

note: duration of approval of thiz post 1 week.

 

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Carolpa:
my Moment keeps refusing to display the Artists,....grrr

I really don't understand why .... Mystery of the Moment.

I'm using Twonky Server 8.5.2 on a QNAP NAS.

The media receiver setting for the Moment is automatic and set to Generic Media Receiver / Advanced Media Navigation

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