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Moment + MinimServer - What's is the Best Server Settings?

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kimhav posted on Wed, Aug 4 2021 9:55 AM

Aware that there are several other threads that talks about MinimServer tweaks to a certain extend and of course there is MinimServers forum as well together with the online documentation, but looking now to switch from Twonky to MinimServers and would like to pick the community's collective brains for the best MinimServer settings when used together with Beosound Moment.

Of course there are also some small tweaking to be made on the Moment, thought limited, and the important one would be the switching to Expert mode. This made my Moment far more stable based on that it's not constant scanning for new DLNA data. After that I noticed that my Twonky after couple of month falls to sleep, well more coma, it's not responding which I then notice on the Moment :-) Hence why I'm looking at MinimServer.

Been toying around with a MinimServer Ubuntu Docker installation which works out fine and some tweaks seems to work fine. Also, recall that Moment is fairly limited to what it picks up from the DLNA tags based on the audio files (mp3/FLAC) and some of the nice tweaks that MinimServer has in the documentation doesn't really fly with Moment.

Also, based on the current MinimServer v2.x, did anyone manage to get the Artist image to work out or is this still only working with Twonky using 'beoartists' folder. Was this ever picked up and can be used with MinimServer or are there other tricks?

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kimhav:
Also, recall that Moment is fairly limited to what it picks up from the DLNA tags based on the audio files (mp3/FLAC) and some of the nice tweaks that MinimServer has in the documentation doesn't really fly with Moment.
True, the tweaks in Minimserver set, are maily for the other DLNA renderers and controllers (such as the Beoliving app). The Moment does not pick up the other tweaks which present ones collection better and make accessing artists, albums, tracks easier.

Still the Moment works fine with Minimserver.

But some tweaks done also works fine for the Moment. For example I did set the transcode option to convert DSF files to WAV24;96 (24bit; 96kHz). Then I can play SACD ripped files directly to the Moment.

kimhav:
Also, based on the current MinimServer v2.x, did anyone manage to get the Artist image to work out or is this still only working with Twonky using 'beoartists' folder. Was this ever picked up and can be used with MinimServer or are there other tricks?
In principle I think this should work. Have to look into it though. Note: the artists show up nicely in the Beoliving app with Minimserver.

I used a trick to get the artists visible in the Moment. But that has nothing to do with Minimserver.

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Carolpa:
But some tweaks done also works fine for the Moment. For example I did set the transcode option to convert DSF files to WAV24;96 (24bit; 96kHz). Then I can play SACD ripped files directly to the Moment.

If you converted the DSF 5.1 audio files to WAV 2.0 why didn't you opt for FLAC 2.0 - Any particular reason?

 

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kimhav:

If you converted the DSF 5.1 audio files to WAV 2.0 why didn't you opt for FLAC 2.0 - Any particular reason?

actually, if possible I ripped SACD as well in 2.0 as 5.1.

So the Moment is only fed with DSF 2.0.

Flac would also be possible, but why 2 “conversions”.

Note: I rip if possible to a native formats. For example I’m used to rip CD’s to WAV files.
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kimhav replied on Sat, Aug 7 2021 11:17 AM

Don't need to be any additional conversions steps, for example dBpoweramp, would support direct conversion of SACD to FLAC. Hence why I was wondering :-)

Circling back to MinimServer, which works absolutely fine with Moment as indicated and suggested in lots of other threads in this forum. About the BEOARTISTS folder which is setup in Twonky through the Photo Album which I realise that MinimServer doesn't support and would needed to be implemented which I doubt would happen. Then again, is this something that has been raised as a possible workaround with Simon Nash as plugin/addon to MinimServer?

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kimhav replied on Sat, Aug 7 2021 12:01 PM

Additional question about the Moment then together with MinimServer; does it still make sense to enable Export Mode?

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kimhav:
About the BEOARTISTS folder which is setup in Twonky through the Photo Album which I realise that MinimServer doesn't support and would needed to be implemented which I doubt would happen. Then again, is this something that has been raised as a possible workaround with Simon Nash as plugin/addon to MinimServer?
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The Artist pictures are added to Minimserver and are shown in the Beoliving app.

For the moment  they will not be show in the Moment, because they are not in the right Moment Expert-Mode directory. I never figured it out ........ nor tested it. But you made me curious if it is possible.  

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The Artist pictures are added to Minimserver and are shown in the Beoliving app.

For the moment  they will not be show in the Moment, because they are not in the right Moment Export-Mode directory. I never figured it out ........ nor tested it. But you made me curious if it is possible.

Only using the Bang & Olufsen android app on my side, but the Khimo BeoLiving looks nice. But, about the Twonky Photo hack won't work since MinimServer doesn't support photo handling. But, if MinimServer would support that the folder, indexArtwork, would be possible to be deployed as beoartists including as dlna media; well then it would work else not.

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kimhav:
But, if MinimServer would support that the folder, indexArtwork, would be possible to be deployed as beoartists including as dlna media; well then it would work else not.
You can rename the indexArtwork folder to BEOARTISTS with artworkFolder command.

Minimserver scans and work fine/correct with this directory name. But the Moment doesn't pick up the Artists yet. 

The question is: does the Moment use a dedicated directory for the Artist photo's or does it pick up the info from the scanned/indexed DLNA server?

 

maybe Lyle Clacke can comment: how are the Artist pictures selected in Expert Mode?

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Carolpa:

The question is: does the Moment use a dedicated directory for the Artist photo's or does it pick up the info from the scanned/indexed DLNA server?

The Moment relies on a DLNA photo service that Minimserver does not offer, as simple as that.

I suggested to Lyle to allow choosing another DLNA server for photo instead of defaulting to the same than for the Music, but unfortunately we all know what happened to Moment development.

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mbolo01:
The Moment relies on a DLNA photo service that Minimserver does not offer, as simple as that.
Minimserver 2 has the option for showing Artists pictures (see the picture before! Beoliving shows the Artist pictures processed by Minimserver).

So NOT simple as that!

see below another picture now of the B&o app (pictures are coming from Minimserver)

Note: these pictures I added myself to Minimserver!

Some additional remarks:

1. I used for a long time another workaround to show the Artist Pictures on the Moment. It works perfectly.

2. In the end, it is not a big issue to me! Maybe even no issue.

3. But still it would be interesting to find out if it could work (maybe it will, maybe it won't).

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Yes it is a simple as that.

Moment is simply looking a BEOARTISTS folder from the root of the DLNA Photo server and image files inside must exactly match the album artist name metadata in order to use the image in the artist’s tile.

As a Moment software beta user, i have had many interaction with B&O on this front.

Even if Minimserver can expose the artist image, the Moment logic simply does not make use of it, like it is ignoring other useful metadata.

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mbolo01:
As a Moment software beta user, i have had many interaction with B&O on this front.
You weren't the only one!

mbolo01:
Moment is simply looking a BEOARTISTS folder from the root of the DLNA Photo server and image files inside must exactly match the album artist name metadata in order to use the image in the artist’s tile.
Fine retelling me, but your explanation just opens an opportunity.

What if there is a way to trick the system in a way that the Moment looks in the right directory and Minimserver scans these picture also.

Maybe simple as that! That's what I'm searching for.

 

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Carolpa:

What if there is a way to trick the system in a way that the Moment looks in the right directory and Minimserver scans these picture also.

As a former beta user you should then understand that the Moment does not browse a file system directories but a DLNA Photo server directory of the SAME DLNA server servicing the music.

Unless Minimserver introduce a photo service (as suggested in this thread), I don’t really see what else you can trick, particularly on the Moment side.

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mbolo01:
As a former beta user you should then understand that the Moment does not browse a file system directories but a DLNA Photo server directory of the SAME DLNA server servicing the music.

Unless Minimserver introduce a photo service (as suggested in this thread), I don’t really see what else you can trick, particularly on the Moment side.

Dutch sayings:

"Can't" lies on the graveyard and "Won't" lies next to him.

That is what I'm reading in your posts. Where is your positive attitude to reach, search, solve questions like these. 

 

Maybe we solve it together, maybe not........... but not see NEW opportunities and examen them .............

 

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