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Beogram 6500 Audio via BM6500/1611 to ML-network

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kimhav posted on Tue, Mar 30 2021 8:54 PM

Would it be possible to get the Beogram 6500 to play audio through the ML-network if it's attached to BM6500 which is connected to the ML-network via Beolink 1611? While I'm aware that PHONE isn't available any more and reused for either N:MUSIC/N.RADIO (can't remember which) were the idea would be to make use of DVD2 (or any other available and not used remote code) or would A.AUX be the one to use. What are the possibilities here.

To be mentioned, the following gear exists in the current setup beside the BS6500 system which I'm curious to what extend I could include to the ML-network: 1xBV10, 1xBS Moment (via BLC), 1x BS9000, 2xBeolink Active, and 2xBeolink Passive including a MLGW (old version).

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Guy replied on Tue, Mar 30 2021 10:27 PM

I think your BG6500 would play fine over the ML network.  The PHONO command was re-purposed as N.RADIO but the turntable should be controllable from anywhere in the system, using either N.RADIO or PHONO command, depending what shows on your remote.

I did try connecting my BG6500 to a BC2300 and then via a 1611 converter onto ML, and I could play and control it fine from a BV6-26.

EDIT: I should add that I am not sure whether another component in your network would stop the Beogram being accessed - my worry would be the Moment (if it uses the N.RADIO command), but I don't have any experience in that area.)

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OldJack replied on Tue, Mar 30 2021 11:13 PM

I have it connected to Ouverture,masterlinked to Beosystem3.A.AUX triggers turntable.

 

 

 

 

 

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Answered (Not Verified) kimhav replied on Fri, Apr 2 2021 12:36 PM
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@OldJack: No Aux port in reach from any other system which actually was way I ended up with the BS6500 to have a complete system to connect turntable to. Then again, absolutely love the BS6500 Smile

@Guy: Yes, does seems a bit harder with the other stuff in the same ML-network. Pressing PHONE on a Beolink 1000 remote shows N.RADIO on my BS9000 and internet radio is played from the Moment. The BS6500 us currently set to L.OPT 1 and don't know if any other link option would make any sense. As you know from the other thread I have a BL3500 set to L.OPT 4 to be able to have BS6500 in the same room and to avoid having both BL3500 and BS6500 reacting on Beo4 remote.

Might just be that my ML-network is too crowded to be able to achieve want I want to do. Then again no big loss; was more if if was possible one way or another to get the BS6500/Beogram into the ML-network that would be quite nice.

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Guy replied on Fri, Apr 2 2021 1:20 PM

I presume that the 1611 is connected to the TV/AUX socket of the BM6500.

You could try using one of Steve (at Sounds Heavenly)'s cables* that allow two connections to the AUX, and connect both the 1611 and the BG6500 to the BM6500's TV/AUX.

If it works, the TV/AUX can be an input (from the BG) and an output (to the ML system) at the same time.

My BG6500 connected to my BC2300's single AUX socket can be controlled by both PHONO and A.AUX on the remote.

*  I would link to the cable but Steve's site is down for a well-deserved Easter rest!  

(EDIT:  You probably already know, but A.AUX on the BL1000 is achieved by pressing SHIFT then RADIO.)

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Yes, the 1611 is connected to the TV/AUX socked of the BM6500 and using a Steven' Y-cable is an interesting idea, but I believe that my main issue would be the BS9000 which is picking up A.AUX, or at least that is my guess. So while Steven's Y-cable that allows connecting both BS65000 and Beogram to the 1611 wouldn't work as it seems now. Just to verify the theory I connected the BG6500 directly to the 1611 and taking of the BS6500 from the ML and then from living room checked if the BG6500 would be picked up via A.AUX - which it wasn't.

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OldJack:

I have it connected to Ouverture,masterlinked to Beosystem3.A.AUX triggers turntable.

EDIT : I use Beo4

 

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kimhav:
Would it be possible to get the Beogram 6500 to play audio through the ML-network if it's attached to BM6500 which is connected to the ML-network via Beolink 1611? While I'm aware that PHONE isn't available any more and reused for either N:MUSIC/N.RADIO (can't remember which) were the idea would be to make use of DVD2 (or any other available and not used remote code) or would A.AUX be the one to use. What are the possibilities here.

To be mentioned, the following gear exists in the current setup beside the BS6500 system which I'm curious to what extend I could include to the ML-network: 1xBV10, 1xBS Moment (via BLC), 1x BS9000, 2xBeolink Active, and 2xBeolink Passive including a MLGW (old version).

In Masterlink you only can have one audiomaster (if you want to connect everything to the same ML). So two master systems, a BS9000 and BM6500 are not possible at the same time. You can make the BS9000 a local/slave system (it should have speakers attached and be set in option 5 or 6 depending on the setup in the room with the BS9000). In a room with a local audio (in your case the BS9000) you can listen to the local sources and the sources of the master audio (BM6500). But in the main room you can't access the sources of the local system.

That said and with the proposed setup; if you setup the BLC correctly, the PHONO (N.Radio) command will only start the BG6500 and the sound can be ML/NL distributed. You have to reprogram the Moment sources in the BLC though, otherwise you will end up with a conflict (PHONO starts the BG6500; N.Radio starts the Moment; PHONO = N.Radio the same command)

 

Edit: alternative

you could add a second BLC, A.Slave programmed with the BS9000 or BM6500 ML connected to your NL system. This will overcome the master/slave issue. 

 

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Thanks for the input and I didn't realise that the BS6500 would be considered an audio master due to the fact that it would be connected via 1611 convert and when it comes to my BS9000 it is the primary audio master with no speakers connected directly and using BL8000 connected to BV10.

About the alternative using a 2nd BLC as slave would that actually feed the BS6500 audio into the entire ML-network or only to NL-devices which in my case would be the Moment which is also using BL8000 via the BV10.

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Just got another idea!

Why not line-in connect the BG6500 to the Moment and skip the BM6500 for the moment!

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kimhav:

Thanks for the input and I didn't realise that the BS6500 would be considered an audio master due to the fact that it would be connected via 1611 convert and when it comes to my BS9000 it is the primary audio master with no speakers connected directly and using BL8000 connected to BV10.

About the alternative using a 2nd BLC as slave would that actually feed the BS6500 audio into the entire ML-network or only to NL-devices which in my case would be the Moment which is also using BL8000 via the BV10.

I have to rethink about your question, but my first reaction would be: yes, depending on how the BLC is setup

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Carolpa:
Why not line-in connect the BG6500 to the Moment and skip the BM6500 for the moment!

Wouldn't be fully practical from placement perspective and to be fair without seeing how the layout is I agree it's also a bit hard to discuss the possibilities; so I found this old schematics on the and it's in the Office that I'm keeping the BS6500. But an additional BLC could be worth trying, even if it limits the audio output via the NL connected devices. Not fully sure how that would work out and how to trigger. I might be able to borrow an additional BLC which I could try out such setup.

 

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Get a Beoplay M3 and connect the beogram to the line-in there.

Place the M3 (and the Beogram) wherever you like/in the office, set it up to 0 as the default startup volume (mean it stays silent - you also can hide it away).........and call it ’turntable’ or alike for the name on your network. Properly configured in the BLC you then can reach it from everywhere.
Of course you can not remote control it - but you have to put on the vinyl and flip it manually anyway.

If you want full remote control, you’ll need the BM6500 as well....and a second converter as already suggested.

 

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There is a tv - and there is a BV.

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kimhav:

Carolpa:
Why not line-in connect the BG6500 to the Moment and skip the BM6500 for the moment!

Wouldn't be fully practical from placement perspective and to be fair without seeing how the layout is I agree it's also a bit hard to discuss the possibilities; so I found this old schematics on the and it's in the Office that I'm keeping the BS6500. But an additional BLC could be worth trying, even if it limits the audio output via the NL connected devices. Not fully sure how that would work out and how to trigger. I might be able to borrow an additional BLC which I could try out such setup.

 

 

The options in this setup: connect the BG6500 to the BLC line in, the Moment or the BS9000. With all you can't remotely start the BG6500, but as said by MM, you have to put on the record anyway.

Alternatives:

An additional BLC or NL device (as MM proposed). Only with a BLC you can make an integrated setup for the BM6500 (there are limitations though; for example in ML you'r restricted in the number of master sources, only one master source can be the CD, etc.)

You can PL - Line-in connect the BM6500/BG6500 in every proposed setting also (f.e. BM6500 PL to Line in connected to a M3). But you won't have any advantage in comparison to only connecting the BG6500 to a line in.

 

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Guy replied on Sat, Apr 3 2021 10:47 AM

Another possible alternative:

Connect the BG6500 to the CD input of an MCL2AV (used stand alone with no MCL or PL connections).  It would need both power (15v) and an IR sensor.

Set the MCL2AV to L.OPT 4, and put in a room with no other 'OPT 4' devices.

Take a LINE output from one of the other MCL2AV input sockets and feed it into your system (BLC) as an Aux input.

Thus you should be able to start/control the BG with a remote in LINK mode (eg press LINK PHONO), and then control the rest of the system as if an AUX input.

Not particularly neat, but an option worth trying for remote control of the BG?

 

 

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