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benoit
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benoit posted on Wed, Feb 24 2021 8:48 AM

Hi, does anybody have infos about the future Beosound Emerge?

https://fccid.io/RR-BOA-Emerge

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Duels replied on Thu, Apr 15 2021 8:15 PM
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It was staggering in its day and still draws admirers even now!

I struggle to think of anything in the current line-up of which you could say the same.

My BL18s get just as many admiring comments as my older stuff did including my BS9000.
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Duels:
Puncher:

 

It was staggering in its day and still draws admirers even now!

 

I struggle to think of anything in the current line-up of which you could say the same.

 

 

My BL18s get just as many admiring comments as my older stuff did including my BS9000.

Not really a recent design though, it's a blinged up 8000 (which I personally don't like - I always think of someone painting a bodywarmer and a bobble hat on the mona lisa)

Ban boring signatures!

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Duels replied on Thu, Apr 15 2021 8:39 PM
Puncher:

Not really a recent design though, it's a blinged up 8000 (which I personally don't like - I always think of someone painting a bodywarmer and a bobble hat on the mona lisa)

Ban boring signatures!

Fair enough but that wasn’t what you said.

You said you struggled to see anything in the current line up of which you could say the same. And in my experience BL18s really do get the same type of comments.

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Duels:
Puncher:

 

Not really a recent design though, it's a blinged up 8000 (which I personally don't like - I always think of someone painting a bodywarmer and a bobble hat on the mona lisa)

 

Ban boring signatures!

 

 

Fair enough but that wasn’t what you said.

 

You said you struggled to see anything in the current line up of which you could say the same. And in my experience BL18s really do get the same type of comments.

 

Yeah that's what I said - maybe I should have said "any of the new designs"

Ban boring signatures!

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Duels replied on Thu, Apr 15 2021 8:52 PM
Puncher:

Yeah that's what I said - maybe I should have said "any of the new designs"

Ban boring signatures!

If you had I’d have most likely given you the same answer. And then you’d have explained why the BL18 wasn’t a new design.

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I listened to it today and it was ok but nothing special to listen or look at. As agricultural as the Beolit 20 etc they relatively sound fantastic compared to this thing. The Level was also on display and seemed a more to have more of a point to it! The Beosound 2 next to them both sounded amazing in comparison.

With the Beolab 17s gone the speaker range looks incredibly thin.

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matador43:

Millemissen:
Some look back - others try to find a way forward.

You are absolutely right, and trust me it's my everyday curse to look back and want the thing to remains still.
But at the same time you can't say a BC9500 is useless today! Lot of people have them around for everyday use.
(and as a CC user you must know that). 

You may have noticed that they are "families" on the forum:

- those who use streaming, 
- those who use HD streaming,
- those who use physical support,
- those who use NL (and don't understand Airplay or CC),
- those who use Airplay or CC (and don't understand the benefit of NL).

There is something in my mind I have since BL28 announcement and something you said (you MM) about "how they can be use".

To me a speaker is a speaker, be it active or passive, you plug it and it works!
But when I read all this mess about - master, slave, digital in, software update, autotune room, etc etc… and all the incompatibilities that come along, I praise myself to have just BL4000 "Speakers". And the only wish I have abut BL28 is that they will lower the price of BL18 on second hand market  - my dream.

So, a speaker is a speaker and it can be connecte to any amp, any thing, any source as long as electrical requirement are ok, with maybe some bad results but it should work.

Nowadays, even buying an (expensive) speaker seems to be so difficult.

And no need to say that all the electronic inside a BL28 may just mean that B&O may one day decide your speaker is no more wanted and just brick it.

So Yes, I'm looking to the past, because the past is owned and unconnected. You should know if your remember my posts that I'm streaming to Apple Airport on different old analogs B&O devices: got the joy of them and the flexibility of streaming, independent from any their party platform who may or may not suspend his service one day or another. OK, its my way and its work for me. I can't see the benefit of NL and I know you're a lot around that dont understand I dont understand.

Anyway, what I wanted to say is: yes its good to look forward in a lot of matters, but when it comes for a reliable, comfortable, stable, independent way to enjoy music (between other things), I dont want a future involving a third party with other goals (See Sonos…)

What I want is that B&O is alive and kicking and bring out products that people of today and tomorrow....and some old farts like me can use on a daily basis.

They surely can not live from people admiring 40 year old technology packed in the design language of that time in a museum.

For the record: I still have my old Beosystem - although the tape part is removed long ago and the vinyl player is hardly ever touched.

This is because I have it already - I wiuld never huy into that if I had to start from scratch today.

And it can be used, yes - I used to have several ML-linkrooms, but disconnected most of them. The old ML system is simply too egocentric.
My setup has evolved over the years - up till today where streaming is the main source in my home (Netradio, Spotify and airplaying from certain apps, I seldom use CC for audio). The main devices being my Essence MK2 - which I bought on the day it launched - and my two BV’s.
Which family do I belong to, by the way?

I have seen and have helped installing many different setups - there are a lot of different use cases. A lot of these swear to oldfashioned physical playback without modern sw-based devices and services.

But when I look at the present and the future, I see no other way than getting involved with new technology and sw. I won’t look back on the times, where I had to buy a CD (and wait days/weeks for it to arrive). My life with music is so much richer nowadays - and I can play it in ways that fits my way of living way better than back then, when the FM radio and the CD player of my Beosystem 4500 were the main sources.

 

We are - in this thread about the BS Emerge - talking about how B&O as a company fits into the world of now and of tomorrow. I find that B&O still makes many right choices and I can not think of any other company being able to offer what I need, if I should start over again.
I know that the BS Emerge does not support NL, which I need in my setup. But I also know that this and a lot of other interesting things are on the roadmap.

 

As for the BL28, I find it fine that/if this speaker is versatile - and I don’t share your concerns about it being doomed to be obsolete.......because it is connected etc.

I focus on the new possibilities, that it may offer people buying into the B&O stuff today (and maybe me at some point).

 

It is totally fine to say that you don’t like what they present (and the way it is presented designwise) - totally fine to say, that ‘a speaker is a speaker’/‘you plug it and it works’

However, if one does not like what B&O can offer and don’t need it, he (or she) should leave it to that. 

There are lots of other possibilities (old or new) to get to listening to music....which is what should be our main focus, I guess.

 

MM

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I really like the Emerge. I think it's beautiful and it could easily blend into my interior. Thumbs up for this one B&O!

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I was not suggesting the Beocentre 9500 is better than what is being produced today I was using it as an example of the company's inovation in the past compared to today.

I could include parallel tracking fully automatic turntables, HX PRO fully automatic tape decks, quadraphonic sound, Hifi VHS recorders, two way IR communications, round the house sound and vision, steerable TV's Built in Sat TV, one remote for everything, the list goes on and on of great examples of doing things differently by B&O, making them look and sound great, easy to use and a pleasure to own?

Now we just get more and more mono speakers. Every few months another one. The modern equivalent of a Beolit radio? It's so boring!

It's not that I looks back, it's that we are moving backwards!!!!

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Beofile7:

Now we just get more and more mono speakers. Every few months another one. The modern equivalent of a Beolit radio? It's so boring!

It's not that I looks back, it's that we are moving backwards!!!!

No!

Beolit radios (and alike from other companies) have always been popular as secondary devices in kitchen, bedrooms etc.

What would you say....does a BL3500 or a BL2000 offer much more than a modern B&O mono speaker (that actually is different from a mono’ish speaker except for maybe the M3)?

People behave just like before - only they have more and better devices/easier options to choose from.

Personally I like music in the kitchen and am totally content with a speaker like my M3 there (although I will prefer an Emerge once it gets NL support).

If I want to listen (!) to music, I sit down in my livingroom or in the study....both equipped with a full 5.1 speaker setup.
But that is just because I am somewhat a music nerd. Most people don’t go that far.

 

MM

 

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Apr 16 2021 9:27 AM

Maybe there isn't much left to innovate around? i.e the hard physical formats have become niche / disappeared altogether.

That said, I agree a constant stream of such signal point speakers is not very inspiring.

And thats the rub / challenge for B&O - with less (pr nothing even?) left to innovate around design and form factor wise, they are just left being a producer of nice looking and good sounding units like these. 

It places a real focus and emphasis on the designs they come up with, especially as the other technology and connectivity that they also innovated with have been all but taken over by other companies. So they are really just now a maker of nice looking speakers. (In the one recent product that wasn't a speaker i.e. the Halo, the technology and associated functionality was shocking in its limited scope)

Here they are just about holding water - the recent designs have been mostly nice (Balance aside, which was very poor), but none of the recent stuff have been especially compelling design wise. But designing "pretty nice" speakers may be enough for their survival - emphasis on "may".

 

 

 

Beofile7:

I was not suggesting the Beocentre 9500 is better than what is being produced today I was using it as an example of the company's inovation in the past compared to today.

I could include parallel tracking fully automatic turntables, HX PRO fully automatic tape decks, quadraphonic sound, Hifi VHS recorders, two way IR communications, round the house sound and vision, steerable TV's Built in Sat TV, one remote for everything, the list goes on and on of great examples of doing things differently by B&O, making them look and sound great, easy to use and a pleasure to own?

Now we just get more and more mono speakers. Every few months another one. The modern equivalent of a Beolit radio? It's so boring!

It's not that I looks back, it's that we are moving backwards!!!!

 

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If I was stuck to my old Beosystem 4500 and the linkrooms of yesterday, I would never have been able to listen to e.g. Radio Paradise.

Now I just push the Radio button (and a number) on the remote with my BV’s or one of the My Buttons in the kitchen to start my favourite station.

Just an example why I prefer my modern B&O gear.

 

It is a question of taste (that I am quite convinced) whether you like some of the new gear or prefer the old stuff.

Fact is - which we also can read here - that there are people who like the new stuff.

I guess none of us have a crystal ball - the guys from Struer are doing what they find is needed.

 

I find it little inspiring to discuss taste - if you don’t like it, why worry - just stay clear of it.

If you like it, buy it/use it....which in the end will determine the success or failure of B&O.

 

MM

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Deleted - double post.

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

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Csaba replied on Fri, Apr 16 2021 10:30 AM

Millemissen:

Csaba:

Weird, the Emerge was on the webpage, now removed. Must be a glitch. Or they realized that John o’Manchester had not uploaded his review yet.

My indeed harmless comments on that keeps getting blocked from admin....why?

It is there!


MM

 

Thanks a lot! We were both right. I had to refresh, then it came back. But then it disappeared again. So I refreshed, and it reappeared again :).

 

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Azuntila replied on Fri, Apr 16 2021 11:44 AM

A pink version also coming? https://layerdesign.com/project/emerge/#top-page 

A hint from design offices page...

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