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Gary18
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Gary18 posted on Fri, Jan 1 2021 7:38 PM
Hi I have the harmony tv, beolab 50’s and beolab 3’s for rear. When I’m listening to music I like to listing to the beolab 50’s by themselves. I am currently streaming tidal from my iPad via airplay but I’m sure I’m not getting the best results.

Anybody doing similar are have any ideas the best way to stream music.

Thanks

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Curly replied on Sat, Jan 2 2021 2:31 PM

Since there is no native TIDAL support in any B&O products, streaming via Airplay as you’re doing, is what most of us would do. Another option is to get an external streaming device which has native support for TIDAL and stream it to the 50s. Another option is to use the web browser in the LG TV, if it has one, to access TIDAL over the web. I think you’re likely to get the best sound quality using an external streamer such as a Lumin Mini or an Auralic Aries but the improvement over the sound quality streamed over Airplay may not be something you can hear. We’ve all had different results because we all have different ears. The only way to know is to try it yourself and see which you prefer. I can tell you I heard no difference between streaming at 44/16 or at 96/24 on my BL17. That’s just me and your speakers are far more capable but who knows.

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Gary18
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Thanks for responding and had not thought of the LG web browser. I’ll give that a try and see if there’s any difference.

Thanks again
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Another option is using Audirvana.

Audirvana supports Tidal. One can UPnP/DLNA stream to the Harmony (up to 24bit 192kHz).

 

Setup:

1. Mac/PC running Audirvana (same PC/Mac can also be used as Server or as Mac/PC Big Smile)

2. subscription to Qobuz or Tidal

3. iPhone/iPad/Android phone running the Audirvana app to control Audirvana running on the Mac/PC

 

advantage: the Harmony stays in "listening mode", multiroom without sound delays; (minor) disadvantage: be sure one stops the stream completely before going to other sources/stby, otherwise the UPnP/DLNA stream can become stuck.

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MaxH replied on Sat, Jan 2 2021 3:54 PM

If you are seeking the best possible results - accepting that the law of diminishing returns in audio come in fairly early - the main requirement is to get the best possible signal into and out of the 50s along with the best possible source given the practicalities of your situation.

Like you, I only stream, so I use my 90s connected to a Lumin U-mini streamer, hard-wired to wi-fi  and connected to the speakers via USB. This gives results that I am delighted with!

As Curley says, the improvement may not be noticeable enough to your ears to invest the time and money in improving the system, and it matters what type of listening you do.

If you have a dealer who will let you trial equipment then why not try it out ?

 

 

Gary18
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Thanks for responding. I think I’ll go to my dealer when they reopen after lockdown, I’m looking forward to seeing and hearing what they have to offer.
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Hi - you could also consider Plex, there is an app for this on the TV, in Plex under music section you can integrate Tidal. Haven't tried this myself, but I see Tidal can be integrated into Plex (perhaps just the paid version...)

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Gary18:
Hi I have the harmony tv, beolab 50’s and beolab 3’s for rear. When I’m listening to music I like to listing to the beolab 50’s by themselves. I am currently streaming tidal from my iPad via airplay but I’m sure I’m not getting the best results.

 

Anybody doing similar are have any ideas the best way to stream music.

 

Thanks

In case you have an AppleTV box connected, you could just install the Tidal app there - worth testing.

MM

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Esax replied on Sun, Jan 3 2021 12:29 PM
https://darko.audio/2020/11/tidal-connect-for-beginners/

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MaxH replied on Sun, Jan 3 2021 1:11 PM

 

Tidal Connect is a way to avoid sending data streams to your phone (or whatever) first and then on to the device actually playing it. This opens the door to higher-quality streaming direct streaming.

There is quite a lot of confusion about this but at the moment you cannot stream this service direct to the Harmony or B&O speakers.

If you enter the Tidal app and push 'supported devices' it will show Airplay or Chromecast as well as Harmony etc., but this is not Tidal Connect although you need to dig a little deeper to discover this.

 

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Esax replied on Sun, Jan 3 2021 1:44 PM
MaxH:

Tidal Connect is a way to avoid sending data streams to your phone (or whatever) first and then on to the device actually playing it. This opens the door to higher-quality streaming direct streaming.

There is quite a lot of confusion about this but at the moment you cannot stream this service direct to the Harmony or B&O speakers.

If you enter the Tidal app and push 'supported devices' it will show Airplay or Chromecast as well as Harmony etc., but this is not Tidal Connect although you need to dig a little deeper to discover this.

You need a tidel supported device.

https://tidal.com/supported-devices

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Curly replied on Sun, Jan 3 2021 1:56 PM

Correct, which do not currently include Beovisions or the Core. Sadly. 

We discuss this frequently. B&O, PLEASE GIVE US NATIVE SUPPORT FOR TIDAL! 

Currently: BeoLab 17, BeoLab 18, BeoSound Core, Beosound Level, Beosound A1 2nd Gen, BeoPlay S8 Connection Hub, Essence Remote

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Gary18
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Hi MM

I have apple tv app listed on the Harmony tv, does this have a better sound than streaming through AirPlay?
Carolpa
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MaxH:
Tidal Connect is a way to avoid sending data streams to your phone (or whatever) first and then on to the device actually playing it. This opens the door to higher-quality streaming direct streaming.

There is quite a lot of confusion about this but at the moment you cannot stream this service direct to the Harmony or B&O speakers.

If you enter the Tidal app and push 'supported devices' it will show Airplay or Chromecast as well as Harmony etc., but this is not Tidal Connect although you need to dig a little deeper to discover this.

It will in principle be UPnP/DLNA streaming, but because Tidal hasn't set its protocol in a 100% alignment to DLNA specs, B&o devices can't be identified by the app and can't stream its music.

Qobuz tries it also on its own app (in beta).  The app sees all the B&o devices, but mostly won't accept it to stream, whereas the Audirvana app works in general fine.

 

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Carolpa:
Another option is using Audirvana.

Audirvana supports Tidal. One can UPnP/DLNA stream to the Harmony (up to 24bit 192kHz).

Setup:

1. Mac/PC running Audirvana (same PC/Mac can also be used as Server or as Mac/PC Big Smile)

2. subscription to Qobuz or Tidal

3. iPhone/iPad/Android phone running the Audirvana app to control Audirvana running on the Mac/PC

On the left:  PC dedicated as media server. It is running two instances of Minimserver and Audirvana. Qobuz is integrated in Audirvana (as Tidal; but I opted for Qobuz). Audirvana is only used for UPnP/DLNA streaming of Qobuz. It can also index ones own music collection  .

On the right: Mac Mini (M1) running Beoliving app and Audirvana app. Note: both are iPhone/iPad apps. Using the Audirvana phone app one can controll Qobuz (Tidal) and stream to a B&o device, in my case the A6. With the Beoliving app or the B&o app one can multiroom this stream (for example the BS35 as can be seen). So with only my iPhone/iPad I can stream Qobuz (Tidal) to all my B&o devices.

One can change the Active Audio Device in the Audirvana app, but I let it always stream to the A6 and JOIN the other devices

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