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chickenceo Posted: Mon, Nov 9 2020 2:32 AM

We all understand there is something magical about B&O design. For me, the sound is not perfect but it is a compromise with the aesthetic side, and I will choose beauty over other things :P

My question, if you have to choose something to replace B&O, what would you choose?

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Curly replied on Mon, Nov 9 2020 2:52 AM

B&W if cost was no object. Paradigm if I cared to be thriftier. 

But there are lots of great loudspeaker manufacturers out there. GoldenEsr is another that I read wonderful things about but haven’t heard myself. 

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B&W 800 series is really nice sounding and looking, but they are also power hungry and needs a lot of amps, (if not mono block). So their setup may not look the same as B&O, Stick out tongue

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jowus replied on Mon, Nov 9 2020 4:21 AM
I have a Funny Story Share! My wife started taking our Beolit 15 to her Office, and One Guy in her Office downplaying B&O to Meridian Systems. “Saying, why are we using B@O, Meridian is way Better than B&O”? So when she came home to tell me, I told her to ask him what he’s currently using at home? To my disbelief, he was using Bose! For our Eyes seek, I took my Wife to a Studio to listen to Meridian. We both came to conclusion, almost everything they have is just imitations of B&O! The DSP8000, DSP3200, are copy cut of BeoLab 90 and 17 respectively! The Sound was Good, but nothing Extraordinary to Surpass Bang&Olufsen!

I might have Complains about B&O, but nothing out there for me and my family!

Nothing Compares to BeoVision Harmony with BeoLab 50, 18 and 19! Just Picture that and see what else is out there! Kudos B&O!

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I have had many systems before,

But after having a beovision as the center of my entertainment I hope never to settle for anything else.

The issues I have had with a bunch of remotes, and CEC trouble is countless, and even a universal remote did not help IMO.

 

 

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DEFINITELY

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Exactly, I have complain for my B&O system here and there, but at the end of day I am very happy with my setup. I never got bored with its look for the past 13 years.

My original plan was to upgrade to the new sound centre/Eclipse Mk2 but somehow it did not meet my exact requirement. But let's leave that debate somewhere else. So I have been thinking if I have to switch away from B&O, what would I get? A nice 5.1/7.1 channel plus amplifier? Nah, too complicated. A soundbar? Nah, sound is only decent and I am sure I will dislike its look in a years time. The fact is, there simply is no replacement for B&O.....Maybe, just maybe, until Apple comes up with a premium HT setup.

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OlivierC replied on Mon, Nov 9 2020 12:22 PM
IMO there are many, depending on the market segment.

B&W, Bose, Sennheiser, Dali and Sonos for what concerns home systems/soundbars.

Dali, Geneva Labs, Sony, Sennheiser, Bose, Tivoli Audio, B&W for personal/portable audio.

I’m listing these companies as competitors in similar segments, of course each of them has his pros and cons.

I’m sure I’ve left many out of this list, these are just a few that come to my mind where I can find some sort of affinity, hence I understand it is highly debatable.

I don’t think there’s anything comparable in terms of tv’s but IMHO the more the time passes, the more I find hard to justify the increasing gap between a BV and a high end tv (Harmony excluded as it is in a league of its own).

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beocool replied on Mon, Nov 9 2020 1:59 PM

I've given up on watching TV a couple of years ago. As far as Audio is concerned I would be looking at wireless speaker systems and for a non B&O system I'd probably choose a Naim Mu-so. I like the looks of the Master & Dynamic MA770 as well, but it seems a little short on specs. 

 

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OlivierC:
IMO there are many, depending on the market segment.

 

 

B&W, Bose, Sennheiser, Dali and Sonos for what concerns home systems/soundbars.

 

 

Dali, Geneva Labs, Sony, Sennheiser, Bose, Tivoli Audio, B&W for personal/portable audio.

 

 

I’m listing these companies as competitors in similar segments, of course each of them has his pros and cons.

 

I’m sure I’ve left many out of this list, these are just a few that come to my mind where I can find some sort of affinity, hence I understand it is highly debatable.

 

 

I don’t think there’s anything comparable in terms of tv’s but IMHO the more the time passes, the more I find hard to justify the increasing gap between a BV and a high end tv (Harmony excluded as it is in a league of its own).

 

 

Regards.

 

 

Olivier

But none of the soundbar looks anywhere as nice as the Stage nor the Eclipse. I think there is a difference between minimalist design vs B&O design

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beocool:

I've given up on watching TV a couple of years ago. As far as Audio is concerned I would be looking at wireless speaker systems and for a non B&O system I'd probably choose a Naim Mu-so. I like the looks of the Master & Dynamic MA770 as well, but it seems a little short on specs. 

I am 90% TV/Movie/Netflix and 10% music, so sound centre is important to me. If purely 2.0 for music, I like B&W Formation Duo.

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moxxey replied on Mon, Nov 9 2020 2:48 PM

Chris Townsend:
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Watch what you're posting mate. It's 2020, not 1978.

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OldJack replied on Mon, Nov 9 2020 3:22 PM

For music, Arcam SA30 amp and pair of vintage Scanspeak(Scansonic P45) speakers.Any tv with latest technology.

 

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chickenceo:

But none of the soundbar looks anywhere as nice as the Stage nor the Eclipse. I think there is a difference between minimalist design vs B&O design

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I was just trying to list some alternatives, each with its specific pros and cons.

I do agree B&O looks better than the competitors in most (if not all) of the cases. Yes - thumbs up

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OlivierC:
chickenceo:

 

But none of the soundbar looks anywhere as nice as the Stage nor the Eclipse. I think there is a difference between minimalist design vs B&O design

 

BL8000, BL10, BL4000, BL2, BL3 (Sold), Beocentre 2, Beosystem 3, LG C8

 

 

 

I was just trying to list some alternatives, each with its specific pros and cons.

 

 

I do agree B&O looks better than the competitors in most (if not all) of the cases. Yes - thumbs up

 

 

Olivier

 

Yes I agreed with you that each system, brand, has its pros and cons and I keep reminding myself it is all about compromise to a certain extent. Smile

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koning replied on Mon, Nov 9 2020 4:53 PM

For music, i have bought the Nad M33 with piega loudspeakers

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moxxey:

Watch what you're posting mate. It's 2020, not 1978.

Hooters is very much alive and kicking in 2020.
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I prefer B&O, however if it was no more, I would choose Loewe.  A TV is a centre piece for me as I watch more TV than listen to music.  I don't even listen to music on my 18s or 3s funnily enough, maybe when Chiltrax is on.  I generally listen to the A9 for music or my H8. 

I also like Devialet from a design and acouistic point. 

People say BOSE is Buy Other Sound Equipment, but I like it.  I have owned a Wave radio for a long time and had an acoustimas system linked to an AV receiver (which i sold when i bought the B&O), but it was bullet proof and it never not worked, and it never had software / hardware issues.  That to me is an important factor. 

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Michael has taken the words right out of my mouth! I am with you on all fronts and if you hadn’t of posted first I would have listed exactly the same products!

By the way, great thread OP! Very good topic and one I have often thought about.

I was first drawn to B&O 40 years ago now for the unique design of their products so I am 100% about aesthetics and nothing has changed. For this reason alone it would be almost impossible for me to replace B&O since nobody else does what they do.

Loewe would have been the closest but unless someone tells me otherwise, I thought they went bust a few years ago? I also read on another thread on this forum that someone who owns a Loewe hates it, so that didn’t paint a great picture as I always thought they were of a high quality, specially being a German brand. I think they said the menu system was terrible and they were having all sorts of other problems too. Design wise I sort of liked them but they didn’t really captivate me. With B&O, particularly the 70s-90s era, it was a love affair and I was totally captivated. Nobody else has ever made me feel that way towards or about their product. Kudos to B&O for a second time for that! They have some incredible achievements to be proud of and have set the bar very high many times. Love them for that. 

Simon.

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What went wrong with B&O was not product

It was management
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Hi Simon

Their website is still up and running and their latest TVs run a customised UI / OS 

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Duels replied on Tue, Nov 10 2020 8:04 AM
Loewe are now owned by Skytech Group.

I have a bild 7 TV and I love it.

It raises up to reveal the speaker when I turn it on and has electronic curtains. So it has a little B&O-style magic to it.
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wanc1 replied on Tue, Nov 10 2020 3:49 PM

How does the 800series ex.802d3 compare to the Beolab 50s?

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lawrencejmcook:

Hooters is very much alive and kicking in 2020.

And they had an airline

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oli replied on Tue, Nov 10 2020 5:21 PM

I wouldn't replace a brand with another brand. But If I would get rid of B&O:

- To replace my Beovisions, to me all TVs are the same today, almost. So I would go for Sony or LG, probably.

- For music it is different. I would keep my Lyngdorf TDAI (https://lyngdorf.steinwaylyngdorf.com/lyngdorf-tdai-3400/) that I already use to correct the room response with my Beolab 5 and would add passive speakers to it, something like Triangle https://www.trianglehifi.com/en/produit/hifi-floor-standing-speaker-grand-concert/ . Or maybe update the Lyngdorf for a Trinnov ST2-HIFI or Amethyst (https://www.trinnov.com/st2-hifi/) depending of the speakers setup/choice, actually it is already something I am considering with my current B&O setup Big Smile

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Stan replied on Tue, Nov 10 2020 5:39 PM

I've tried.  I periodically question the $$$ I have tied up in B&O. Unfortunately for my bank account, I keep coming up with B&O.

If B&O were to disappear, I'd probably go with Sonos.  Nothing to look at, but then it doesn't try to do that.  From what I've read/heard from friends, it works well from a UI standpoint, and has decent audio (but nothing exceptional).  It wouldn't bring me "joy", but it would free up resources to find joy in other areas.  As my ears age, I think I'm getting less critical of audio...

 

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Stan:

I've tried.  I periodically question the $$ I have tied up in B&O. Unfortunately for my bank account, I keep coming up with B&O.

If B&O were to disappear, I'd probably go with Sonos.  Nothing to look at, but then it doesn't try to do that.  From what I've read/heard from friends, it works well from a UI standpoint, and has decent audio (but nothing exceptional).  It wouldn't bring me "joy", but it would free up resources to find joy in other areas.  As my ears age, I think I'm getting less critical of audio...

 

You are right, the monitor portion of our TV is a large brimless monitor with slight differences to suit our own needs. As for Sonos, I have auditioned the Arc and it is a bit bright for me. Having said that, I will be surprised if Apple don't come up with something for that particular market segment. After all, their Homepod can do stereo already. (Yes, I like the design from both B&O and Apple)

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I agree with the comment that it makes more sense to replace products rather than brand. My history unfortunately is that I used to have ALL Bose products, then switched entirely to B&O - including Beovision TV, then switched entirely to Sonos and Pioneer (TV) and now I have a mixed environment with mostly B&O speakers and headphone, with Apple ecosystem and Sony TV. 

In general, I like B&Os design and quality and the software to me is getting much better - to the extent, I have no complaints. Not sure I’ll ever buy a Beovision again mainly due to price/performance value for me. 

B&O in my life 😊: 

 

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  • Beolab 6000 + Beolab 11 + Beosound Core with Essence Remote (Bedroom)
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Tifoso48 replied on Fri, Nov 13 2020 5:27 AM

Aesthetically B&O would be hard to replace, sound wise there are tons of choices and it would all depend on the purpose.

Here in Miami I am running an all B&O speaker 5.1 system together with an LG Old, Marantz AVR, Clearaudio TT,  and B&O Transmitter 1. Looks fantastic and sounds great, especially understanding that it is a compromise between home theatre and solid audio performance.

In our house in DC I am running an all Audionote system, with AN tube amp, AN TT 3 turntable and AN E speakers - clearly does not have anywhere near the look of B&O, but in terms of quality of sound it absolutely in a different league  - but then again it is a single purpose system.

Also in DC I am running a BoseLifestyle 5.1 hometheatre system which does an excellent job and because the speakers are so small they disappear.

Net, net there are horses for courses. However, in terms of appearance nothing really comes close to Bang and Olufsen and after some initial glitches I have ( knock on wood) had no issues whatsoever!

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Sventchik replied on Tue, Nov 17 2020 2:17 PM

For us, nostalgics of the late 80s & 90s, we remain at B&O and our Beocenter 9500.

His design stays in ! The sound is good ! The connectivity is enough with his 3 inputs, 4 loudspeaker outpouts, 2 powerport outpouts, headspeaker.

Ok, we are in 2020 and everything needs to be connected, interconnected, sofware updated every 2 weeks, bluetooth, wifi, 4G, 5G......



But we think there are enough parasites in the air, so our system with a little bluetooth adapter offers enough for an iphone / ipad sound input.

The loudspeakers, we tested a few years ago from Netherlands some electrostatic panels, Final Sound 300i with an english sub REL Studio, it was amazing experience : nice design, nice sound, bass at right level (neutral sounding), but those electrostat speakers are quite fragile and need every 4-5 years a cleaning or ribbon replacement.
We saw also from Loewe some interesting design pieces.....


If budget isn't a ''topic'', there are a lot of TV/electronics with nice design and nice quality.... but nothing from only one supplier. B&O remains forever an exceptional company !

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Sventchik replied on Tue, Nov 17 2020 2:17 PM

For us, nostalgics of the late 80s & 90s, we remain at B&O and our Beocenter 9500.

His design stays in ! The sound is good ! The connectivity is enough with his 3 inputs, 4 loudspeaker outpouts, 2 powerport outpouts, headspeaker.

Ok, we are in 2020 and everything needs to be connected, interconnected, sofware updated every 2 weeks, bluetooth, wifi, 4G, 5G......



But we think there are enough parasites in the air, so our system with a little bluetooth adapter offers enough for an iphone / ipad sound input.

The loudspeakers, we tested a few years ago from Netherlands some electrostatic panels, Final Sound 300i with an english sub REL Studio, it was amazing experience : nice design, nice sound, bass at right level (neutral sounding), but those electrostat speakers are quite fragile and need every 4-5 years a cleaning or ribbon replacement.
We saw also from Loewe some interesting design pieces.....


If budget isn't a ''topic'', there are a lot of TV/electronics with nice design and nice quality.... but nothing from only one supplier. B&O remains forever an exceptional company !

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