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Oppo UDP-205, Harmony, BL50, and BL17 for surround

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LuffeDK posted on Mon, Sep 14 2020 10:16 PM

Hi all,

I am a first time poster who have enjoyed and learnt a lot from this forum for a while.

I have recently placed an order for a Harmony, 2xBL50, and 4xBL17.

I am also close to getting my hands on an OPPO udp-205 in good condition.

The equipment will soon arrive and I have a few questions related to the “recommended setup” for music and surround sound:

Music

I have ripped my CD collection (FLAC) and thousands of cd’s are on my NAS. I have a few high-res files on my NAS but I will mostly be listening to actual cd’s in the OPPO and ripped Flac files from my NAS (via DLNA).

I am also subscribing to Deezer Hifi.

How good is the DAC in the Harmony compared to the DAC in the OPPO? - do you recommend I use the dedicated audio out from the OPPO and connect it directly to the BL50 versus using the sound center in the Harmony ?

I have other B&O speakers in other rooms and I am using the Deezer/B&O app for the multi room ”experience”. The above mentioned questions are not related to multi-room - I would like to understand how I get the “best” audio quality when listening to music on the BL50 only.

Video/Surround

For video I will connect the OPPO to the Harmony via HDMI - I will be watching movies/concerts on the Harmony only.

Initially, I planned for a 7.0 type setup but I have seen posts where some of you recommend other setups.

My plan is of course to use the BL50 for front left/right.

Due to cosmetic reasons I plan to position the 4xBL17 above the listening position (angled down towards the listening position):

- one set at the “junction/corner” between the side wall/ceiling (side ceiling left/right)

- one set at the “junction/corner” between the back wall/ceiling behind the listening position (back ceiling left/right)

The living room/TV room is approximately 35sqm and the listening position is located in the centre of the room (almost optimal)

Due to the room layout it is difficult to add additional left/right wall speakers (ear level) but I could add another set of speakers on the back wall (left/right ear level). It could be an additional set of BL17 (I need to buy them before they are discontinued) or 2x Balance if they will support this type of setup in the future. Shape is another option....

Will an additional set of back speakers improve the surround experience noticeably?

I apologise in advance for the long first post! 

PS. After having heard the BL90 I would have liked to go for those but they could not fit into the room. Furthermore, I don’t think they match up with the BL17 for surround.

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Agree with MM here, you can have both from the same position but 5.0.2 will probably be slightly better with the rears/surround slightly lower. But if they are far enough behind you it doesn’t matter a whole lot. It’s more important that the middle 17’s are between 90-110 degrees to the side and above you. Smile

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Like that, but with out the 3’a and the reara in your case would be 17’s tooBig Smile

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Millemissen:

LuffeDK:

Do you recommend the 5.0.2 or the 7.0.0 setup for my specific setup?

As mentioned earlier, the 4xBL17’a are positioned in the following way:

-Same height & higher than the listening position
-All speakers angled down towards the listening position

 

Probably the native 7.0.0.

However, there is nothing wrong in creating a 5.0.2 Speaker Group as well - you speaker locations should allow for that as I see it.

Then try both out with different material....in order to see, what fits you best.

There is absolutely nothing wrong in having both layouts in 2 different Speaker Groups.

It is one of the wonderfull things with the BSys4/TrueImage processing that you can test a lot of configurations and choose these with a couple of clicks on the remote.

MM

Thank you, I will try both options

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Mikipidia:

 

 

 

 

 

Like that, but with out the 3’a and the reara in your case would be 17’s tooBig Smile

That’s quite a setup. How do the BL3 compare to the BL17 and do they make a noticeable difference in your setup?

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Noticable yes, but not as big as going from 5.0 to 7.0.

They sort of sound like a giant speaker on the side now and the height effects are super smooth with the 3’s down low. It’s really hard to pin point where any speaker is blindfolded, but you can tell where sound is in time and space so to say. You’ll love your setup I am sure.

The 3’s are a bit brighter and throw the trebble around more obviously which is excellent for where they are with the weird kink/corner i have in my livingroom there. But the bl17’s overall are much more capable, but also more directional as they don’t have an acoustic lens.

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Mikipidia:
Noticable yes, but not as big as going from 5.0 to 7.0.

 

They sort of sound like a giant speaker on the side now and the height effects are super smooth with the 3’s down low. It’s really hard to pin point where any speaker is blindfolded, but you can tell where sound is in time and space so to say. You’ll love your setup I am sure.

 

 

The 3’s are a bit brighter and throw the trebble around more obviously which is excellent for where they are with the weird kink/corner i have in my livingroom there. But the bl17’s overall are much more capable, but also more directional as they don’t have an acoustic lens.

Great thanks. How many speakers/positions can be connected to the sound center of the Harmony?

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20 something, 8 wired plus 3 from the tv and the rest via wisa, so too many one could say but you have a lot of options if you want to expand later Stick out tongue

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LuffeDK:

Great thanks. How many speakers/positions can be connected to the sound center of the Harmony?

If you however with your question mean....how many ‘different combinations of these speakers’ aka Speaker Groups are possible, It’s a different answer:

The TSG says ‘ It is possible to assign up to 20 or 30 different Speaker Groups on the television (depending on the television model).’

So you will have loads of options to make different settings even with the exact same speakers positioning.

MM 

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Millemissen:

LuffeDK:

Great thanks. How many speakers/positions can be connected to the sound center of the Harmony?

If you however with your question mean....how many ‘different combinations of these speakers’ aka Speaker Groups are possible, It’s a different answer:

The TSG says ‘ It is possible to assign up to 20 or 30 different Speaker Groups on the television (depending on the television model).’

So you will have loads of options to make different settings even with the exact same speakers positioning.

MM 

Good to know. Thank you for the support 

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The seller decided not to sell the Oppo 205 so I have just placed an order for the Panasonic dp-ub9000 instead. I was informed this model was “the replacement” and I have read good things about its audio quality, DAC, etc  

Is anyone in this forum familiar with that specific player?

I am now in doubt if I have made a mistake as it seems the Panasonic cannot output both:

1 audio via HDMI to the Harmony for video

and

2 analogue out directly to the BL50 for music - e.g, for listening to cd’s.

 


Secondly, the BL50 does not have XLR inputs and I am not sure if it is a good idea/common practice to use an adapter from xlr to spdif?

Is it recommended to utilise both HDMI output’s (Audio out / video out) when connecting the Blu-ray player to the Harmony for video? What is the difference compared to using one HDMI only for both video and audio.

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My post above was not written correctly. 

I will try again....

 

The seller decided not to sell the Oppo 205 so I have just placed an order for the Panasonic dp-ub9000 instead. I was informed this model was “the replacement” and I have read good things about its audio quality, DAC, etc  

Is anyone in this forum familiar with that specific player?

I am now in doubt if I have made a mistake as it seems the Panasonic cannot output both:

1 audio via HDMI to the Harmony for video

and

2 audio out directly to the BL50 for music - e.g. for listening to cd’s. If I misunderstood this part and it is possible, what output from the Panasonic do you recommend I use for “feeding” the BL50’s?

Is it recommended to utilise both HDMI output’s (Audio out / video out) when connecting the Blu-ray player to the Harmony for video? What is the difference compared to using one HDMI only for both video and audio.

thanks

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On my Oppo 205 I never use the analog outputs (except the headphone jack)!  I do not own the Panasonic DP-UB9000, so... second-hand news: I have found the people on this forum -- even the flamers -- to have pretty sound reasons for their opinions:

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/now-that-oppo-is-dead-which-universal-player-is-a-good-one.6606/

I believe the Panasonic will be fine.  I don't believe the statement that the Panasonic "cannot output both" [video & audio together (via HDMI) for the Harmony, and its audio-only optical and coaxial and separate audio-only HDMI outputs].  Does some review or the manual say that they are not all turned on at the same time?  Also given that the BeoLab 50 is going to digitize it again for processing, there's no reason to feed it analog, although analog jacks are present on the DP-UB9000 if you must.  The only downside for me is that reviews say that, although it will play DSD-encoded source material, it doesn't read SACD discs nor DVD-A discs; you would need a Pioneer Elite UDP-LX500 or Sony UBP-X800 for that.  Here's a "review", which is really just a list of features, but better than nothing if you have never seen the unit in the flesh:

https://www.techhive.com/article/3386558/panasonic-dp-ub9000-review.html

Hope this helps.  Because I don't own one personally -- decided to stick with my Oppo despite considering newer alternatives -- hopefully somebody else can confirm my manual-reading.

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How about keeping on searching for an OPPO.....sooner or later you find one.

In the meantime there are plenty of other things to ‘play with’ with your new setup.

MM

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What about a 203 instead of a 205?

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LuffeDK replied on Thu, Sep 24 2020 11:02 AM

Page 12 in the manual mention: “Audio is not output from HDMI OUT terminal” in the section describing when optical or coaxial is used.

https://help.panasonic.ca/viewing/ALL/DP-UB9000P/OI/TQBS0286/TQBS0286.pdf

Is coaxial or optical recommended when connecting it to the BL50?

Based on your input I will not benefit from the DAC in this unit which was praised by other owners ?


For video do you recommend I use both HDMI’s out or one only?

Page 11 describes audio is output in high resolution when the dedicated HDMI audio out is used but I don’t fully understand. I am also not sure how to connect - both into the sound center or one of them directly into the LG TV?

I don’t have any SACD or DVD-A discs so I am ok with the lack of this functionality.

I listen to a lot of cd’s and that is what I plan to use it for as well as for 4K blu-ray’s.

An alternative is of course to purchase a dedicated good quality CD player and use the Panasonic for blu-ray only. However, I prefer to have one unit only.

trackbeo:

On my Oppo 205 I never use the analog outputs (except the headphone jack)!  I do not own the Panasonic DP-UB9000, so... second-hand news: I have found the people on this forum -- even the flamers -- to have pretty sound reasons for their opinions:

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/now-that-oppo-is-dead-which-universal-player-is-a-good-one.6606/

I believe the Panasonic will be fine.  I don't believe the statement that the Panasonic "cannot output both" [video & audio together (via HDMI) for the Harmony, and its audio-only optical and coaxial and separate audio-only HDMI outputs].  Does some review or the manual say that they are not all turned on at the same time?  Also given that the BeoLab 50 is going to digitize it again for processing, there's no reason to feed it analog, although analog jacks are present on the DP-UB9000 if you must.  The only downside for me is that reviews say that, although it will play DSD-encoded source material, it doesn't read SACD discs nor DVD-A discs; you would need a Pioneer Elite UDP-LX500 or Sony UBP-X800 for that.  Here's a "review", which is really just a list of features, but better than nothing if you have never seen the unit in the flesh:

https://www.techhive.com/article/3386558/panasonic-dp-ub9000-review.html

Hope this helps.  Because I don't own one personally -- decided to stick with my Oppo despite considering newer alternatives -- hopefully somebody else can confirm my manual-reading.

 

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