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beojeff posted on Tue, Sep 1 2020 10:00 AM

I woke up this morning to see an announcement on facebook that B&O will be bringing back the Beogram 4000 in an updated form!

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Answered (Verified) 1990 replied on Tue, Sep 1 2020 10:02 AM
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MEMORIES RE-MADE BY BANG & OLUFSEN
Some things change, other things stay the same. And sometimes, very rarely, you encounter something timeless. The Beogram 4000 series turntable is one such product. Designed by Jacob Jensen in 1972, the record player is beloved the world over by enthusiasts, and immediately recognizable as such.

Bang & Olufsen is running a pilot project that aims to preserve, refurbish, and reimagine some of the company’s most iconic heritage products. The first release will be the Beogram 4000 series with the goal of updating the turntable to a contemporary product, while retaining the original design intent.

Join us at 3 Days of Design and learn how we are updating one of Bang & Olufsen’s most iconic products for contemporary use, while maintaining the integrity and timeless spirit at its core: to share timeless experiences for future generations and the memories they make.


PROGRAMME

Thursday September 4
11am-4pm: Open House at The Audo
12-12.30pm: Beogram Workshop
4-4.30pm: Beogram Workshop
6-7pm: Moderated Design talk (Gavin Ivester)
8pm: Cocktail Party

Friday September 5
11am-5pm: Open House at The Audo
12-12.30: Beogram Workshop
4-4.30: Beogram Workshop

Saturday September 6
11am-5pm: Open House at The Audo
12.12.30: Beogram Workshop

More on the programme, here: https://on.beo.com/BeogramWorkshop


ABOUT 3DAYSOFDESIGN
3daysofdesign is Denmark’s annual design event. A showcase for you to discover and experience new ideas within the realm of lifestyle, design, furniture, lighting and interior design. The event features a curated selection of noteworthy brands from Denmark and abroad as part of our programme of events taking place all around Copenhagen.

Visiting 3daysofdesign this year does not require any tickets.

More about 3daysofdesign, here: https://on.beo.com/3daysofdesign

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Also here:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.whathifi.com/amp/news/bang-and-olufsen-to-restore-1972-beogram-4000-turntables-and-other-classics&ved=2ahUKEwjHp5HSrM_rAhXklosKHeHTCmIQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw3fxK8ElJTZXGN4lIBoHrV8&ampcf=1

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AdamS replied on Fri, Sep 4 2020 1:04 PM

The project therefore seems to be along the lines of what SME are doing to Garrard 301s - namely, buying old ones up and completely refurbishing them using re-manufactured parts where possible.

I do have concerns regarding the cartridge and connectivity though - I'm not a huge fan of the SoundSmith versions and the idea of a BG4000 with a Bluetooth transmitter is just wrong!!

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Paul replied on Fri, Sep 4 2020 1:38 PM

Looking forward to this. If they build and price it right I am sure they could sell sheds loads of them.

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Hiort replied on Fri, Sep 4 2020 2:18 PM
Heard from someone outside of B&O that B&O have sourced 100 used decks, and that price for the renovated/revamped decks will be In the range of 5 - 7000 eur. Regard it as a rumor.

 

 

 

 

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Of course there are things that can be improved, and the Beogram 4000 certainly does have its weak points.

But making a Beogram better than the 4000-series of course includes ensuring that it still will be fully useable, connectable, compatible and of course also fully repairable 50 years into the future. - Just like its predecessor was (and still is!).

That'll be year 2070.
- At least.

Needless to say this rules out mask-programmed stuff, most digital content and generally all current interface technology, Bluetooth and the likes, none of which will be around in just 20-30 years from now. If that long.

It would be a shame to downgrade hundreds of Beogram 4000s to be that useless so soon.
In that case the least they can do is make the rebuild reversible.

Excited to see, what they can come up with.

Martin

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I wouldn’t be surprised but dear lord is that some price to pay...

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Hifishark was at the workshop: https://youtu.be/NdLq5IY59Cg

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Nothing new to be seen in that video. Geeked
And it's still not a Beogram 4000.

Martin

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An original BG4000 would be my favorite to redesign. Love the big square aluminium control plate with the 2 rectangular pieces aside It could use a new design for the power supply, control and as extra feature a tacho control with the help of the bottom layer of the platter.  Most BG4002 and up have wearings on the (start)buttons.

But I don't know from which are sold more, the BG4000 or the BG4002 with its simplified design.

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RichardIII:

Hifishark was at the workshop: https://youtu.be/NdLq5IY59Cg

Thanks for posting!

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chartz replied on Mon, Sep 7 2020 10:13 AM

Razlaw:
RichardIII:

 

Hifishark was at the workshop: https://youtu.be/NdLq5IY59Cg

 

 

Thanks for posting!

 

There's nothing in this video. The tech is a teenager? Big Smile

As Martin says - not a BG 4000.

Jacques

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chartz:

There's nothing in this video. The tech is a teenager?

As Martin says - not a BG 4000.

Jacques

Correct. It is not a Beogram 4000. It is a Beogram 4002. If you read the full description of the video you will see a link to a written article with multiple still pictures. The article specifically describes it as a Beogram 4002 and has images with a wider view clearly showing all of the parts. Also, both the video and the pictures in the article clearly show the Beogram tangential arm. In the video look to to the left as the view is from the back of the Beogram 4002. The article was also posted earlier in this thread.

https://www.hifishark.com/article/beogram-4000-series-turntables-re-made-by-bang-olufsen

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Steph replied on Mon, Sep 7 2020 6:21 PM

No more news after the 3 days of design?

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Read that link and I’m still confused.

It’s as clear as mud.

Whatever B&O do, they must:

1. NOT use circuits that can’t be repaired in 40 years. What is the point if it can’t be fixed years from now. The old Beograms can be repaired even now due to discrete components.

2. NOT mix their turntables with current software and network systems because they will flake out or not be serviced/work properly weeks or years from now like the BS5, Moment, etc...

3. NOT incorporate any Bluetooth or NL or WiFi stuff because it will not work reliably in the future.

If it ain’t broke don’t mess with it. B&O please don’t **** with them. Clean them and replace the parts like Dillen or Frede would do.

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