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Sibbi
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Sibbi posted on Fri, Jul 31 2020 11:26 AM

Now that LG is making oleds in 48. Do you think that we will get an updated Horizon?

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The Beonic Man
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There is a Horizon refresh in October.

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mrCTE:
It looks very good, and so much more refined than the rehash of old ideas that STB brackets churn out.

To be fair I think STB offer some very good solutions and the workmanship and quality is high end. I am often put off by the pricing though personally. If it were cheaper I probably would have bought more over the years.

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Sibbi replied on Wed, Aug 19 2020 11:15 AM

That sounds great, wil it get an oled panel?

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Personally I am hoping it will because then it will be a consideration for me for a new tv. The dealer I spoke to didn’t want to reveal too much, which I fully understand. He was just advising me to wait until October for the new model before making a large tv/sound bar purchase. I told him I will, so that’s all I know I am afraid. I would be very surprised (and disappointed) if it didn’t I must admit, and I wouldn’t buy it in this case.

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also interesting:

https://www.onlineplayshop.nl/lg-oled48cx6la-beosound-stage-vloerstand.html
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John replied on Thu, Aug 20 2020 8:18 AM

The Beonic Man:

Personally I am hoping it will because then it will be a consideration for me for a new tv. The dealer I spoke to didn’t want to reveal too much, which I fully understand. He was just advising me to wait until October for the new model before making a large tv/sound bar purchase. I told him I will, so that’s all I know I am afraid. I would be very surprised (and disappointed) if it didn’t I must admit, and I wouldn’t buy it in this case.

It's very interesting news.

Nothing lasts for ever, and I've had 8 very happy years with my V1-40 - BUT - sooner or later electronics in things like TV's can die and something like an updated Horizon, with an OLED panel, dolby vision and HDR 10 + and hopefully an updated speaker system would be an excellent TV - approaching a true replacement for the V1 at hopefully sensible money.

The Eclipse is magnificent - but I'd rather spend serious money on speakers than a TV whose lifetime is quite limited as the technology and specifications change so rapidly.

Certainly making that decision when I bought the V1-40 allowed me to purchase the Beolab 9's - which hopefully will well outlast the TV in terms of tech and as a foundation for the system.

Cheers and thanks. :-)

 

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Sandyb replied on Thu, Aug 20 2020 10:07 AM

LG panels dont support HDR 10+, so I wouldn't expect support for it, given B&O use LG panels.

Not that I think it matters, as HDR 10+ is clearly dying out, and from a weak starting point too.

 

John:

The Beonic Man:

Personally I am hoping it will because then it will be a consideration for me for a new tv. The dealer I spoke to didn’t want to reveal too much, which I fully understand. He was just advising me to wait until October for the new model before making a large tv/sound bar purchase. I told him I will, so that’s all I know I am afraid. I would be very surprised (and disappointed) if it didn’t I must admit, and I wouldn’t buy it in this case.

It's very interesting news.

Nothing lasts for ever, and I've had 8 very happy years with my V1-40 - BUT - sooner or later electronics in things like TV's can die and something like an updated Horizon, with an OLED panel, dolby vision and HDR 10 + and hopefully an updated speaker system would be an excellent TV - approaching a true replacement for the V1 at hopefully sensible money.

The Eclipse is magnificent - but I'd rather spend serious money on speakers than a TV whose lifetime is quite limited as the technology and specifications change so rapidly.

Certainly making that decision when I bought the V1-40 allowed me to purchase the Beolab 9's - which hopefully will well outlast the TV in terms of tech and as a foundation for the system.

Cheers and thanks. :-)

 

 

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moxxey replied on Thu, Aug 20 2020 6:05 PM

Sibbi:

That sounds great, wil it get an oled panel?

Bit confused. I told everyone a Horizon update was coming in Q4 back in May :)

Yes, the plan is a basic upgrade. I was told it's likely to be a panel update with the existing design.

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moxxey replied on Thu, Aug 20 2020 6:06 PM

moxxey:

Sibbi:

Now that LG is making oleds in 48. Do you think that we will get an updated Horizon?

You must have missed it, but a prominent UK dealer told me that B&O had prioritised a Horizon refresh as their top priority, aiming for September/October, so it could be very likely you'll see an updated panel soon.

See ^ Big Smile

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moxxey:
Yes, the plan is a basic upgrade. I was told it's likely to be a panel update with the existing design.

It seems they will need to slash price or significantly upgrade audio if they want more than a small handful of sales.

Beovision Horizon: $6,250 USD

  • 48" LG panel
  • 2 x 30 watts amplifier driving 2.5” full range speakers

 Beosound Stage plus LG 48" CX: $3,200 USD

  • 48" LG Panel
  • 4 x 50 watts amplifiers driving 4" woofers
  • 4 x 50 watts amplifiers driving 1.5" mid ranges
  • 3 x 50 watts amplifiers driving 3/4" tweeters

So for roughly half the price you get (presumably) the same panel, but 10x the audio power.

 

I really love the design of the Horizon and would pay a premium to get it versus a Stage and separate OLED.  But I cant see paying 2x more to get 1/10 the audio.

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1990 replied on Fri, Aug 21 2020 8:12 AM

I still can't see a panel update happening, at least switching from TP-Vision to an LG OLED. Maybe there would be room to make the 48CX "slide in"?

Surely the added value for the Horizon vs Stage/LG would be the surround decoder (and PUC?), plus the included BR One. Furthermore the stands for Horizon are cheaper than the new Stage stand :)

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If it’s an update i find it hard to believe it’ll be oled because of allstuff on the back of an LG and where the b&o bit would go, also the lack of 48” screens being available to anyone.

If it’s something else completely, as in replacement, oled can be more likely but you run into the same issues.

For margins i think it’s be mostlikely an lg nano cell panel as they’re extremely good too.

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Hiort replied on Fri, Aug 21 2020 10:45 AM
1990:

I still can't see a panel update happening, at least switching from TP-Vision to an LG OLED. Maybe there would be room to make the 48CX "slide in"?

Surely the added value for the Horizon vs Stage/LG would be the surround decoder (and PUC?), plus the included BR One. Furthermore the stands for Horizon are cheaper than the new Stage stand :)

Maybe I’m confused, but TP-Vision is making the OS and not the screen, right?

I recall the screen in Horizon to be a Samsung panel.

Assume that could be replaced by a LG OLED panel, or?

 

 

 

 

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Sibbi replied on Fri, Aug 21 2020 10:57 AM

Moxey I know, but an upgraded panel could be a newer version of the Lg Led panels. In wich case I am not interested. But if it is an Oled panel that would be interesting.

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Hiort:

Maybe I’m confused, but TP-Vision is making the OS and not the screen, right?

I recall the screen in Horizon to be a Samsung panel.

Assume that could be replaced by a LG OLED panel, or?

I understood that the Horizon panel (and BV14) is a TP-vision / Philips panel and therefore Android based OS, where the OG Avant/11/V1 are samsung panels with B&O OS.

If B&O is going to introduce a Horizon mk2, they can only come with a LG panel, not a newer Android based panel. The line up with LG/Stage - Horizon MK2 - Eclipse MK2 - Harmony looks good imo and a logical product / price strategy to get customers back to the B&O ecosystem. As said earlier the Horizon must be upgraded both panel- and soundwise.

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