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Esax Posted: Thu, Apr 9 2020 6:46 PM
Bought it, tested it and returnd it.

In (not sd, I meent hd) HD it does not stand a chance against a 7-55 mk1.

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Razlaw replied on Thu, Apr 9 2020 7:17 PM
Interesting. Like you,I have a 7-55 with BL50s. Good to know.

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moxxey replied on Thu, Apr 9 2020 7:28 PM

Esax:

In sd it does not stand a chance against a 7-55 mk1.

Key question: who watches SD on a 77" OLED 4K TV?

SD only just about looks acceptable on my 40". I avoid SD like COVID-19.

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Duels replied on Thu, Apr 9 2020 7:44 PM
Isn’t this a bit like returning your Ferrari because it didn’t float?
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Esax replied on Thu, Apr 9 2020 7:47 PM
moxxey:

Key question: who watches SD on a 77" OLED 4K TV?

SD only just about looks acceptable on my 40". I avoid SD like COVID-19.

I ment hd.

I'm not impressed by oled 77 with 4k compared to 7-55 hd.

And what to look at? Netflix doesn't have many 4k movies. And rental is expensive on apple tv. I mostly look at viasat sat. Sat is by far better than streaming.

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Esax replied on Thu, Apr 9 2020 7:49 PM
Duels:

Isn’t this a bit like returning your Ferrari because it didn’t float?

But it was not, it was a kitcar.Smile

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Razlaw replied on Thu, Apr 9 2020 9:10 PM
Esax:

I ment hd.

I mostly look at viasat sat. Sat is by far better than streaming. Beovision 7-55 MK1 red, Beolab 10 red. Beolab 50, all black. Beolab 17 broken ice. Beolab transmitter. Apple tv4 and apple express 2.

Thanks again for that comparison and comment. I also watch satellite virtually all of the time.

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The 7-55 has great design, but no way is it better than a current LG OLED panel. But I guess an opinion is an opinion. You might have got a defective set or are just used to the lower quality image on the 7-55 🤷🏽‍♂️

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Sandyb replied on Thu, Apr 9 2020 9:38 PM

Agreed, mighty fine though the 7-55 may well have been.

But the broader point I think is that if you've got a not too old but still very good panel, and you dont watch UHD (4k+HDR), then upgrading isn't of huge benefit. 

The new UHD panels will upscale HD / SDR content - some do it well (SONY), some not so impressively.

Whereas an older panel like the 7-55 will show HD / SDR content natively.

 

Jaffrey2230:

The 7-55 has great design, but no way is it better than a current LG OLED panel. But I guess an opinion is an opinion. You might have got a defective set or are just used to the lower quality image on the 7-55 🤷🏽‍♂️

 

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Esax replied on Thu, Apr 9 2020 9:55 PM
There is something that is not right sometimes, the colors are sometimes not convincing. And the more the picture moves, the worse it gets. Very varied, feels like there is not enough computing power. Obviously, a 77" becomes more revealing. Think they try to stuff too much in a jar.

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moxxey:

Key question: who watches SD on a 77" OLED 4K TV?

SD only just about looks acceptable on my 40". I avoid SD like COVID-19.

SD on my BV9 is. Just fine, TYVM.

After all, it’s a Beovision
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Jeff replied on Fri, Apr 10 2020 12:04 AM

Esax:
There is something that is not right sometimes, the colors are sometimes not convincing. And the more the picture moves, the worse it gets. Very varied, feels like there is not enough computing power. Obviously, a 77" becomes more revealing. Think they try to stuff too much in a jar.

The B&O video engine in the Beovision probably is a more accurate color decoder than the LG, without calibration at any rate. As for the other, any display of content other than what the native resolution of the panel requires rescaling, some do a better job than others but it's a place where different brands have different approaches that will differ in quality. Upconverting is harder though both can introduce artifacts, upconverting will have the most difficulty with motion artifacts, in fact a lot of 4K content on 4K panels winds up being 1080 during rapid motion. So for 1080 content no surprise it isn't perfect and also with that large a screen area you will notice the difference more as it's like looking at a picture under a magnifying glass.

Unfortunately, if you need a new set 1080p sets are in short supply.

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moxxey replied on Fri, Apr 10 2020 11:28 AM

Barry Santini:

SD on my BV9 is. Just fine, TYVM.

After all, it’s a Beovision

It's also about 10 years old and designed when SD was the fashion. I'd very much expect SD to look good on it.

The OLED 4K LG 2020 77" TV isn't designed or optimised for prehistoric SD. The primary reason for this is because SD has to be upscaled to 4K. And on a huge 77" panel this is going look like very big pixels - thus very blocky. 

Step up anyone else prepared to make another bonkersly poor statement please? Erm..

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Esax replied on Fri, Apr 10 2020 11:58 AM
I was one of the first to buy a bv 7-55. Then there was hardly anything to look at in hd quality. Now over 10 years later, most of it is in HD on viasat but not everything. Think it will take 5-10 years before you have the most in 4k on sat. Viasat has only a sports channel in 4k today.

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jvezina replied on Fri, Apr 10 2020 5:28 PM

Esax:
I was one of the first to buy a bv 7-55. Then there was hardly anything to look at in hd quality. Now over 10 years later, most of it is in HD on viasat but not everything. Think it will take 5-10 years before you have the most in 4k on sat. Viasat has only a sports channel in 4k today.

This is one of the reasons why people are moving away from tradtional TV to streaming services like Netflix. Broadcasting in SD (480i) in 2020 is definitely not a way for cable companies to retain customers. Of course some people don't care.

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Esax replied on Fri, Apr 10 2020 5:48 PM
Ok, forget about the sd.

It’s about hd.

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Apr 10 2020 6:12 PM
Esax:

Ok, forget about the sd.

It’s about hd. Beovision 7-55 MK1 red, Beolab 10 red. Beolab 50, all black. Beolab 17 broken ice. Beolab transmitter. Apple tv4 and apple express 2.

As you’ve said, understood

The point remains though- HD will be upscaled to the 4K panel, and the processor will apply some tone mapping to try and mimic HDR to some extent (unless you turn it all off).

Sony and Panasonic are still the best at up scaling.

And in the end OLEDS are much more capable, though to gain the benefit you’ll have to watch 4K HDR content. There is a decent amount around now, from Netflix to Apple.

I have a BV12 and I can understand older screens still looking great
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Jeff replied on Fri, Apr 10 2020 6:35 PM

jvezina:

This is one of the reasons why people are moving away from tradtional TV to streaming services like Netflix. Broadcasting in SD (480i) in 2020 is definitely not a way for cable companies to retain customers. Of course some people don't care.

Regards,

Jean

 

I remember when I dropped cable here a few years back. The image quality and audio quality on streaming services like Netflix and Amazon were far better than local cable. At best, cable was 1080i, not even progressive scan. And due to their bandwidth limits and compression the artifacts in the video were awful. Poor contrast and lots of weird digital creepy crawlies in the backgrounds especially on motion. Streaming is to me usually indistinguishable from BluRay. Depends on the source video, some are not at as high a resolution.

 

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From my experience in the technology industry, the current video processors in the LG and especially in the top of the line Sony displays are way better than anything B&O (and I am saying this as a huge B&O fan) could have done in terms of video processing 7-8 years ago. Also, the motion processing and black levels on an OLED cannot be matched by older LED panels - no matter what sort of magic B&O might put into it.

Also in terms of color decoding, the current OLEDs are ISF calibrated and you can turn on these settings from the TV and again, these will be better than anything B&O has ever done. 

It is OK to prefer a beovision from 10 years ago to LG's (or Sony's) current top OLED displays. But to say B&O LED from 10 years ago has more accurate colors, better motion processing and scaling seems really hard to believe. IMHO.

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Sandyb replied on Sat, Apr 11 2020 9:38 AM
Jaffrey2230:

From my experience in the technology industry, the current video processors in the LG and especially in the top of the line Sony displays are way better than anything B&O (and I am saying this as a huge B&O fan) could have done in terms of video processing 7-8 years ago. Also, the motion processing and black levels on an OLED cannot be matched by older LED panels - no matter what sort of magic B&O might put into it.

Also in terms of color decoding, the current OLEDs are ISF calibrated and you can turn on these settings from the TV and again, these will be better than anything B&O has ever done.

It is OK to prefer a beovision from 10 years ago to LG's (or Sony's) current top OLED displays. But to say B&O LED from 10 years ago has more accurate colors, better motion processing and scaling seems really hard to believe. IMHO.

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Correct - it's largely nonsense.

Again, I have a BV12-65 and qualitatively I still love it's image, and for HD (overwhelmingly what I watch), there is no point changing to an UHD OLED. The difference in HD image production won't be big enough to justify the change.

But I would never argue that it was worse than my BV12-65.

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Jeff:

Esax:
There is something that is not right sometimes, the colors are sometimes not convincing. And the more the picture moves, the worse it gets. Very varied, feels like there is not enough computing power. Obviously, a 77" becomes more revealing. Think they try to stuff too much in a jar.

The B&O video engine in the Beovision probably is a more accurate color decoder than the LG, without calibration at any rate. As for the other, any display of content other than what the native resolution of the panel requires rescaling, some do a better job than others but it's a place where different brands have different approaches that will differ in quality. Upconverting is harder though both can introduce artifacts, upconverting will have the most difficulty with motion artifacts, in fact a lot of 4K content on 4K panels winds up being 1080 during rapid motion. So for 1080 content no surprise it isn't perfect and also with that large a screen area you will notice the difference more as it's like looking at a picture under a magnifying glass.

Unfortunately, if you need a new set 1080p sets are in short supply.

It is well known that B&O calibrated their screen out of own standard, and not the ISF standard.

So in that regard, if you put the LG in the correct picture setting, it is much more correct picture than any B&O TV.

But for many a correct ISF calibrated TV is dull to look at, and not smooth movement. But it is correct.

 

But in this case, going from 55" for a 77" with 1080i it will look bad.

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Esax replied on Sat, Apr 11 2020 11:56 AM
B& o is not know to have the sharpest picture. But to have the most overall satisfying and the best deapth.

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Esax replied on Sat, Apr 11 2020 12:00 PM
Another thing, some in this forum say that the 12-65 is better than the 7-55. Thay is not in any way so and newer where.

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There have Been countless Debates lcd vs plasma,

no need for that anymore when we now have OLED 😁

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Esax replied on Sat, Apr 11 2020 12:30 PM
Emil Jensen:

There have Been countless Debates lcd vs plasma,

no need for that anymore when we now have OLED 😁

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Oled is not end of life😎

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It’s not just about image improvement, any more than a Beolab 50 is about sound improvement.

It’s about the total ownership gestalt that the best B&O delivers.
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Sandyb replied on Sat, Apr 11 2020 1:53 PM

Some may, some may not.

Both were fabulous HD TVs - though I'd never ever have a LCD as my main screen

Picture purists mourned the end of Plasma. They wont mourn the end of LCDs.

Not that high end LCDs cant be pretty damn good, especially for bright rooms

 

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Esax:
Another thing, some in this forum say that the 12-65 is better than the 7-55. Thay is not in any way so and newer where.

 

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moxxey replied on Sat, Apr 11 2020 3:14 PM

Sandyb:
But I would never argue that it was worse than my BV12-65.

I agree on the BV12-65. Much prefer the image over even the Avant 55 MK-1, which kept for 3 months (before I got the BV12-65).

We have to remember what an OLED 2020 77" LG is all about. It's designed to push the very latest streaming technology to the limit on a super-large screen. Watch native 4K and it will look outstanding. HD has to be upscaled to 4K and on a 77" screen, you'll see the upscaled pixels (whereas on a more compressed 49" 4K panel, far less of an issue) and SD has to be upscaled so significantly that it's going to look terrible.

You only should buy a 77" 4K OLED TV if your primary source is 4K, a Blu-ray or the very strongest or least compressed HD picture (such as an iTunes HD download). HD from a TV source will be more compressed, thus more blocky on a 4K panel. The same theory will apply to an Eclipse 65" and definitely the forthcoming 77" if it happens.

If you only watch low-quality TV-sourced HD and/or stuck in the 1990s with your SD back catalogue - perhaps Blue Peter repeats or Only Fools and Horses - then I'd never consider a 77" 4K TV. It really is this simple.

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I believe the Beolab 50 holds it’s own against the top tier stereo speakers. It is likely at par. The LCD panel under discussion is no where near in terms of performance to the benchmark OLED. OK, if you’re watching SD content, then it’s not going to look as good - not because of the processing but because of the screen size. My guess is that there was something wrong in the set up...

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In Belgium the quality of Netflix decreased to a lower level since the Covid crisis. The measure was implemented at the request/order of the European Commission. More bandwith was needed for teleworking instead of television use. I have a 75 4K Sony screen, nothing fancy, but I did immediately notice the quality decrease. Thanks Europe for setting us back 10 years Surprise. Now that said HD is still pretty good and after some weeks you don’t notice it anymore. Perhaps that could explain one and another in this tread...
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