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jvezina posted on Fri, Mar 6 2020 3:56 PM

The FCC has released information about the table version

https://fccid.io/TTU-HALOTABLE

Have a nice day,

Jean

 

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I saw the Halo at my dealer on Saturday, and although I was already intrigued since the first leaked video it didn’t disappoint at all, knowing that some people do not like it.

I would have a very limited use-case for my BS1, as my other B&O products are too old, but I still want to have one. That it is a great achievement.

There is probably no good rationale explanation why one would spend ca 700$ on a volume remote control. I am now having tough discussions with the FS (wife), as she states ‘you buy Halo I say Hejdå (goodbye) Big Smile

And then my dealer came up with the great idea that I need a Core as well for my BS9000 😀

I love his enthusiasm.

“I have to work on my core” I tell my wife in return Smile

To be continued, and please do see the Halo IRL it is amazingly cool.

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Answered (Verified) Sandyb replied on Mon, Sep 13 2021 9:05 PM
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Which is why I have cut out any B&O control from my music / radio listening - only the speakers remain.

Roon is my control interface - if I must use an iDevice, then at least Roon's interface and software work extremely well - and at times the Linn app(s) too, as I have a Linn streamer / DAC in my main room. The Linn app even shows me a lot of my podcast feeds from TuneIn!

Yes, Roon and a Linn streamer is expensive, but newsflash, so is B&O.

The Halo's design / form factor limits how useful I can ever get.  The screen is too small for searching / browsing in the end. Which implies it was only ever going to be a volume control and starter for predefined experiences. Fine for those who are happy with just that. But with the Moment gone, they're telling you to use your phone / tablet for everything else. In which case, if I am generally constantly having to use my iPad for example, what use is a 700 pound / euro volume dial?

 

 

 

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The Moment was proof that B&O has no Clue when it comes to software and is why I am so scared to buy a halo now with the "promise" that it will be more useful in the future. They couldn't even get the Moment to work with base features after 2 years of trying. 

 

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Audio replied on Sun, Oct 4 2020 9:44 AM

I have a compatibility question regarding Beosound 35?
Is somebody able to test, if the new BeoRemote Halo is showing the meta-data (e.g. title name, album name) when streaming via Airplay to a Beosound 35?

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Millemissen:

The Halo is a NL remote just like the BeoRemote One.

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

Any news on the longevity of NL?
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ngnear replied on Sun, Oct 4 2020 10:27 AM
matador43:

To me the problem is brands mix up "dropping support" which is natural beyond a certains point (like many other I think around 10 years) and "Killing the product" which is making it unusable or inoperable (like Sonos did). I buy a product, I don't rent it, it's mine, so if I want to use it I must be able as long as I want.

The increase of online services on which depends hardware as given the perfect excuse to manufacturers to decide when we "must" update a device.

IT should be a law saying than when you drop support of any device, you should provide any piece of tools, code or informations helping to continu to use the object by yourself. Like for example the Beo5/6 Config tool and any papers on IR codes.

As for computers, freighting people with security issues is forgetting to soon that a computer can do a lot of things locally and unconnected too.

Things get complicated when one manufacturer‘s product (e.g. Beosound Core) relies on another company‘s services (e.g. Deezer, Spotify, Gracenote, TuneIn, Amazon, Google et.al..) to provide full functionality.

My Avant 55 no longer has Deezer, and I understand the Beosound Moment can no longer access the Gracenote Database.

Even if the service is secured with some sort of contractual obligation, I am sure it will only be for a certain period of time, and is no use if the service provider goes out of business.

At the same time any changes in the API of the service would need to be implemented in the software/firmware of any products affected to prevent the product turning into an expensive brick.

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Audio:
I have a compatibility question regarding Beosound 35?

Is somebody able to test, if the new BeoRemote Halo is showing the meta-data (e.g. title name, album name) when streaming via Airplay to a Beosound 35?

(as expected) only "Airplay" is displayed on the Halo

 

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Mikipidia:

Btw my earlier question was an honest one, how long do we generally expect backwards compatibility?

Interesting question, Mikipedia!

I don’t think it is possible to set a rule and put a number that it fits to all the lineup, like 5, 10 or 15 years after End Of Production.

At least not for B&O.

There are specific products that have been elevated to design icons, such as BS9000, A9, BeoLab 5 and the Beogram turntables to name a few, where regardless of the age there is a community that it still wants to have them running while integrated in their latest B&O systems.

IMHO this is the driving factor for B&O to take a decision on when to axe a technology, to pick the ones where there is not enough interest.

Then there is another question that it is how to have resources in B&O dedicated to this activity and have profit (i.e. have this cost somehow calculated in the B&O premium price?) but this is a different story.

ngnear:

Things get complicated when one manufacturer‘s product (e.g. Beosound Core) relies on another company‘s services (e.g. Deezer, Spotify, Gracenote, TuneIn, Amazon, Google et.al..) to provide full functionality.

[...]

At the same time any changes in the API of the service would need to be implemented in the software/firmware of any products affected to prevent the product turning into an expensive brick.

Tim

Also dropped API’s from other companies is a good point but I presume there isn’t much you can do once the agreements are expired.

matador43:

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IT should be a law saying than when you drop support of any device, you should provide any piece of tools, code or informations helping to continu to use the object by yourself. Like for example the Beo5/6 Config tool and any papers on IR codes.

I’m not sure it should be regulated by a law but I tend to agree.

When it is decided to drop a technology and make a product obsolete, it would be nice to give the opportunity to the community to keep that product alive.

I am thinking about TV sets equipped with Beosystem 3, BeoSystem 4 and PUC/IR controls.

It would be nice to make at least a portion of that technology as Open Source, where the community might add features to keep those TV sets alive without bothering B&O.

Think of the legacy BeoMasters with their specific remote.

Of course this approach would be at complete risk of the community.

Regards.

Olivier
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I use all the remotes quite regularly. In the master bedroom I have a table version right next to my bed and a wall-mount near the dresser. In the master bath I have one just outside the shower to control the M5 by the sink. One each for kitchen, dining room, office, and lab; living room has one on the table and one on the wall. Thus, each playback device has one remote except for master bed and living room which have 2 each due to my usage patterns. I have used every single one of those remotes in the last 48 hours.

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This is a very exciting setup! You are using the essence like a light switch for music. Brilliant!

Before i now order so many essence remotes, help me understand a few things please:

* How did you wall-mount it? Did it require you to drill holes into the wall or did you find some less destructive way?

* Does the essence support all NL devices?

* Can i start / stop all speakers from one remote? And also start / stop just one speaker with a different “touch”?

* I like to play via airplay to one speaker and then distribute to others via the NL feature (via join or the b&o app). How does this work in combo with the essence? For example, i airplay to device xxx and then join device yyy via the essence. If i now pause device xxx, does device yyy still play?

Thanks in advance!

Btw, independent of the essence idea, i’m excited to buy a halo. Also hope the launch of the halo implies that NL will continue to be part of future speakers!

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Millemissen:

The Halo is a NL remote just like the BeoRemote One.

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

The balance doesn’t include NL and there were speculations that NL may be EOL. Has there been any formal statement why the balance doesn’t include NL and whether NL will still be part of future B&O speakers?
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StKong:

Any news on the longevity of NL?

It’s fine for a long time

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Hiort replied on Sun, Oct 4 2020 12:45 PM
steve1977:

The balance doesn’t include NL and there were speculations that NL may be EOL. Has there been any formal statement why the balance doesn’t include NL and whether NL will still be part of future B&O speakers?

It’s been confirmed in another thread that Balance will be get an upgrade providing NL support.

 

 

 

 

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Hiort:

It’s been confirmed in another thread that Balance will be get an upgrade providing NL support.

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Besides speculations based on the balance, is there any form of evidence that NL may be discontinued? I remember andersson mentioned the new audio platform? Any indications whether this includes NL?
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No indications really - no one really knows anything.

The message (a month or so after the Balance release) that some of the previous favourite features (multi room, not via AP/CC) would be added could have been read as involving something new (platform / protocol wise) or simply the Balance being updated to do NL in the usual way.

But until the Balance gets updated, we know nothing beyond the above.

 

steve1977:
Hiort:

 

It’s been confirmed in another thread that Balance will be get an upgrade providing NL support.

 

 

 

 

 

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Besides speculations based on the balance, is there any form of evidence that NL may be discontinued? I remember andersson mentioned the new audio platform? Any indications whether this includes NL?

 

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Wasn’t there a video, either the Podcast or a John from Manchester video where a document was shown indicating what was coming for the Balance?

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trackbeo:

[This belongs in the "Flash your system" thread, and it's super-nosy, but...] Would you consider posting a photo pulled back a bit. and giving a tour of it? The furniture looks interesting but it's tough to parse: There is a multi-pane decor mirror, and there is a glass plate on top of a lighted insert rice-paper w/grasses motif (or "cracked ice", a la BeoLab 17 covers), but the ripples at the front edge of the furniture under the glass look surprisingly like corrugated cardboard! (Silver-leafed corrugated, that is...:-) And somewhere there's an incredible light fixture or just reflective surface giving those two angled beams -- yet the picture looks to be taken in daylight, because the baseboard looks normal. What on earth? Just ignore me if it would be over-sharing...

No incredible light fixture. But large windows with the sun shining in and perhaps reflecting off of a granite table. Here are a couple pictures as you requested. 😊

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Razlaw:
trackbeo:

 

[This belongs in the "Flash your system" thread, and it's super-nosy, but...] Would you consider posting a photo pulled back a bit. and giving a tour of it? The furniture looks interesting but it's tough to parse: There is a multi-pane decor mirror, and there is a glass plate on top of a lighted insert rice-paper w/grasses motif (or "cracked ice", a la BeoLab 17 covers), but the ripples at the front edge of the furniture under the glass look surprisingly like corrugated cardboard! (Silver-leafed corrugated, that is...:-) And somewhere there's an incredible light fixture or just reflective surface giving those two angled beams -- yet the picture looks to be taken in daylight, because the baseboard looks normal. What on earth? Just ignore me if it would be over-sharing...

 

 

No incredible light fixture. But large windows with the sun shining in and perhaps reflecting off of a granite table. Here are a couple pictures as you requested. 😊

 

 

 

 

 

Nice. I look at the light switches and see the potential of 28 (7x4)  Lutron RR2 buttons for home automation!

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Razlaw:

Wasn’t there a video, either the Podcast or a John from Manchester video where a document was shown indicating what was coming for the Balance?

Yep, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVfhxUQrXUs

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