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jvezina posted on Fri, Mar 6 2020 3:56 PM

The FCC has released information about the table version

https://fccid.io/TTU-HALOTABLE

Have a nice day,

Jean

 

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I saw the Halo at my dealer on Saturday, and although I was already intrigued since the first leaked video it didn’t disappoint at all, knowing that some people do not like it.

I would have a very limited use-case for my BS1, as my other B&O products are too old, but I still want to have one. That it is a great achievement.

There is probably no good rationale explanation why one would spend ca 700$ on a volume remote control. I am now having tough discussions with the FS (wife), as she states ‘you buy Halo I say Hejdå (goodbye) Big Smile

And then my dealer came up with the great idea that I need a Core as well for my BS9000 😀

I love his enthusiasm.

“I have to work on my core” I tell my wife in return Smile

To be continued, and please do see the Halo IRL it is amazingly cool.

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Answered (Verified) Sandyb replied on Mon, Sep 13 2021 9:05 PM
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Which is why I have cut out any B&O control from my music / radio listening - only the speakers remain.

Roon is my control interface - if I must use an iDevice, then at least Roon's interface and software work extremely well - and at times the Linn app(s) too, as I have a Linn streamer / DAC in my main room. The Linn app even shows me a lot of my podcast feeds from TuneIn!

Yes, Roon and a Linn streamer is expensive, but newsflash, so is B&O.

The Halo's design / form factor limits how useful I can ever get.  The screen is too small for searching / browsing in the end. Which implies it was only ever going to be a volume control and starter for predefined experiences. Fine for those who are happy with just that. But with the Moment gone, they're telling you to use your phone / tablet for everything else. In which case, if I am generally constantly having to use my iPad for example, what use is a 700 pound / euro volume dial?

 

 

 

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The Moment was proof that B&O has no Clue when it comes to software and is why I am so scared to buy a halo now with the "promise" that it will be more useful in the future. They couldn't even get the Moment to work with base features after 2 years of trying. 

 

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Sandyb:

Agreed - I saw it yesterday, and it looks very nice and alluring.

But it would be close to useless in my setup.

The ambition is far too narrow (but I expected that tbh) - not that I could conceive of them doing a universal remote, this is towards the other end of the spectrum.  So not universal in any sense, it actually excludes products that their own app can control - go figure.

And thats before you get to content management / browsing, or lack thereof.

They seemed to have designed something physical to interact with, perhaps in response for those who dont always be wanting t reach for a phone / tablet.

Yet the device they have designed still requires using a phone / tablet - this is (as John @ Manchester describes) a companion to the phone / tablet app.

So I'm not sure if this has achieved a great deal, beyond a nice looking object with a bit of functionality.

If they build out functionality, that'll be great, and I'm sure they will - but that'll be slow. Home automation triggering ? - perhaps in 9-12 months.

Anyway, I was expecting limited functionality, and so it has proved.

 

Puncher:

Wow (but in a bad way)  - I find that pretty underwhelming. A remote control that isn't hand held with a 340 pixel display that only controls some of their stuff! Ah, but it has a rotating ring volume control you say, - so does a Samsung smartwatch (and probably more smarts too)!

Surely there's much more of a requirement/interest for a real handheld dedicated remote that controls/manages both system and content.

And thats before you get to content management / browsing, or lack thereof.’

Maybe it is just a sign that this device manager (!) was not developed for you (nor me).

Most people are happy with starting/stopping a playlist (= automated playback)  just to have music in the house or a certain radio station, that they usually listen to.

For this.....it’s a perfect and beautyful (see the pictures that beojeff posts) device, a gem on the table or wall.

For me however, a bit useless - not even concidering that there is no support for most of the products in my setup.

MM

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moxxey replied on Fri, Sep 25 2020 10:33 AM

Chris Townsend:
moxxey:

Why? It's officially launched, stores have stock and that's a B&O store selling on eBay?

None of my local stores have any advertising, let alone prices etc. Way of the world I guess.

Well, it's available worldwide, online and from the stores I spoke with - Ealing have it, so do Carlisle.

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beojeff replied on Fri, Sep 25 2020 10:33 AM

Millemissen:

Sandyb:

Agreed - I saw it yesterday, and it looks very nice and alluring.

But it would be close to useless in my setup.

The ambition is far too narrow (but I expected that tbh) - not that I could conceive of them doing a universal remote, this is towards the other end of the spectrum.  So not universal in any sense, it actually excludes products that their own app can control - go figure.

And thats before you get to content management / browsing, or lack thereof.

They seemed to have designed something physical to interact with, perhaps in response for those who dont always be wanting t reach for a phone / tablet.

Yet the device they have designed still requires using a phone / tablet - this is (as John @ Manchester describes) a companion to the phone / tablet app.

So I'm not sure if this has achieved a great deal, beyond a nice looking object with a bit of functionality.

If they build out functionality, that'll be great, and I'm sure they will - but that'll be slow. Home automation triggering ? - perhaps in 9-12 months.

Anyway, I was expecting limited functionality, and so it has proved.

 

Puncher:

Wow (but in a bad way)  - I find that pretty underwhelming. A remote control that isn't hand held with a 340 pixel display that only controls some of their stuff! Ah, but it has a rotating ring volume control you say, - so does a Samsung smartwatch (and probably more smarts too)!

Surely there's much more of a requirement/interest for a real handheld dedicated remote that controls/manages both system and content.

And thats before you get to content management / browsing, or lack thereof.’

Maybe it is just a sign that this device manager (!) was not developed for you (nor me).

Most people are happy with starting/stopping a playlist (= automated playback)  just to have music in the house or a certain radio station, that they usually listen to.

For this.....it’s a perfect and beautyful (see the pictures that beojeff posts) device, a gem on the table or wall.

For me however, a bit useless - not even concidering that there is no support for most of the products in my setup.

MM

You're right MM (btw, what's your actual name?). 

The Halo is designed for a particular customer -- like myself. There are those who like having their phones always at hand. For me, however, my phone and tablet are a source of stress as being TOO connected to the world: text messages, work emails, work voicemails, deadline reminders all always popping up. When I'm home, I want to disconnect and just enjoy my music. The Halo -- like the Essence Remote and the Moment interface -- is perfect for this. It's elegant and simple. It's not for everyone, but it is for me.

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moxxey replied on Fri, Sep 25 2020 10:37 AM

beojeff:

The Halo is designed for a particular customer -- like myself.

I can see some genuine use having it wall-mounted and being able to quickly alter the volume. Or even at my office desk. My BeoSound 2 in the office is none GVA, so sometimes is a pain to quickly alter without a remote.

I've ordered a Halo in brass. Even managed to get 20% off 🙏🏼

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Sep 25 2020 10:38 AM
Millemissen:

’ And thats before you get to content management / browsing, or lack thereof.’

Maybe it is just a sign that this device manager (!) was not developed for you (nor me).

Most people are happy with starting/stopping a playlist (= automated playback) just to have music in the house or a certain radio station, that they usually listen to.

For this.....it’s a perfect and beautyful (see the pictures that beojeff posts) device, a gem on the table or wall.

For me however, a bit useless - not even concidering that there is no support for most of the products in my setup.

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

Indeed, and i understand that its not for me, something i stated before its release.

But I don’t feel the need to celebrate a nice looking starter / stopper of predefined content.

If you trigger a playlist, you cant even view the contents! Yes you skip track by track through it - but they should add the horizontal scroll through the list so you can jump to a different point. At the moment you my button trigger a playlist but then have to reach for your phone to view the queue/ jump to a different point.

And when it comes to predefined content, its radio and Deezer. Nothing for Apple Music, Tidal, Qobuzz, DLNA users. No to tidy up the volume control issues for those with BEOLABS and non-Core inputs.

They should have put the full app (imperfect though it is) on a bigger circular screen within the Halo ring.

To have a fraction of the app is very limiting, in my humble.

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beojeff replied on Fri, Sep 25 2020 10:42 AM

Sandyb:
Millemissen:

 

’ And thats before you get to content management / browsing, or lack thereof.’

 

Maybe it is just a sign that this device manager (!) was not developed for you (nor me).

 

Most people are happy with starting/stopping a playlist (= automated playback) just to have music in the house or a certain radio station, that they usually listen to.

 

For this.....it’s a perfect and beautyful (see the pictures that beojeff posts) device, a gem on the table or wall.

 

For me however, a bit useless - not even concidering that there is no support for most of the products in my setup.

 

MM

 

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

 

 

Indeed, and i understand that its not for me, something i stated before its release.

 

 

But I don’t feel the need to celebrate a nice looking starter / stopper of predefined content.

 

 

If you trigger a playlist, you cant even view the contents! Yes you skip track by track through it - but they should add the horizontal scroll through the list so you can jump to a different point. At the moment you my button trigger a playlist but then have to reach for your phone to view the queue/ jump to a different point.

 

 

And when it comes to predefined content, its radio and Deezer. Nothing for Apple Music, Tidal, Qobuzz, DLNA users. No to tidy up the volume control issues for those with BEOLABS and non-Core inputs.

 

 

They should have put the full app (imperfect though it is) on a bigger circular screen within the Halo ring.

 

To have a fraction of the app is very limiting, in my humble.

 

 

I must disagree with you there. The full app as an interface would have lost the elegant simplicity. You should live with the Halo a bit before being so critical.

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@beojeff

’I must disagree with you there. The full app as an interface would have lost the elegant simplicity. You should live with the Halo a bit before being so critical.’

I am not sure, that this would convince Sandyb (or me for that matter)

Maybe we should just stop thinking about what the Halo CAN’t  do and focus on what it CAN.

Afterwards it is up to the actual user/person interested to decide, if that is a device for him/her.

 

Year of experience with B&O has tought me, that you should never expect that B&O deliivers what you want.them to/expect from them.

They have always (still do) gone their own ways.

Sometimes I was/am amazed and can use the stuff/buy into it - sometimes I just don’t..

That is part of their DNA - and actually we should be glad that B&O is a company that takes chances and do not just follow the mainstreamed path.

Time will tell, wherther the Halo will be well received by the costumers or not.

MM

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First up, I'm glad that you are keeping us on our toes, keep it coming! 1 bug in a released product is 1 bug too many. If I must defend us a bit (and I must), some things are just not found until the products are in the hands of many users. What we try to do is to react as fast as possible and get the fixes on the street. 1 day after launch I think is OK in terms of speed, I can never be faster than you guys though. You seem to have it the day the boxes arrive in the store Smile

That said we should definitely be better at testing with end-users before launch to prevent as many bugs as possible to be let out into the world. It is hard and resource heavy, but we have a group looking at it. 

Happy testing, and as I said, keep it coming good or bad.

Best regards

Thomas, Bang & Olufsen

 

 

 

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mbolo01 replied on Fri, Sep 25 2020 12:46 PM

MrAndersen:
That said we should definitely be better at testing with end-users before launch to prevent as many bugs as possible to be let out into the world. It is hard and resource heavy, but we have a group looking at it. 

Great news!

Count me in if you need a volunteer to test anything related to UX, UI and inter product communication issues, I have a gift for that and I would be pleased to participate!

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MrAndersen:

First up, I'm glad that you are keeping us on our toes, keep it coming! 1 bug in a released product is 1 bug too many. If I must defend us a bit (and I must), some things are just not found until the products are in the hands of many users. What we try to do is to react as fast as possible and get the fixes on the street. 1 day after launch I think is OK in terms of speed, I can never be faster than you guys though. You seem to have it the day the boxes arrive in the store Smile

That said we should definitely be better at testing with end-users before launch to prevent as many bugs as possible to be let out into the world. It is hard and resource heavy, but we have a group looking at it. 

Happy testing, and as I said, keep it coming good or bad.

Best regards

Thomas, Bang & Olufsen

 

 

 

It strengthens my faith in B&O's commitment to customers to see that you're paying attention to the forum. I REALLY hope you plan to include in the Halo NL/ML Converter support in the future. There are so many amazing iconic B&O products that are nice to include in the NL network. Speaking of which, I want to alert you to a couple of bugs with regard to the NL/ML Converter when added into a device's local list as linked sourced. For NL/ML Converter sources added to an NL product by way of the NL/ML Converter being a Primary Linked device, the MasterLink N.RADIO source will not appear as an available source. For NL/ML Converter sources added to an NL product by way of the NL/ML Converter being a Secondary Linked device, the MaserLink CD source will not appear as an available source. I hope this might be an easy fix.

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Sep 25 2020 2:11 PM
beojeff:

I must disagree with you there. The full app as an interface would have lost the elegant simplicity. You should live with the Halo a bit before being so critical.

I didn’t mean literally the app, but more the breadth of its functions could have been included on the Halo presented in an elegant way.

After all, there are those saying don’t judge this work in progress yet, as some of the mismatch between this and the app will narrow over time

Can’t have it both ways
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Razlaw replied on Fri, Sep 25 2020 2:50 PM
MrAndersen:

First up, I'm glad that you are keeping us on our toes, keep it coming! 1 bug in a released product is 1 bug too many. If I must defend us a bit (and I must), some things are just not found until the products are in the hands of many users. What we try to do is to react as fast as possible and get the fixes on the street. 1 day after launch I think is OK in terms of speed, I can never be faster than you guys though. You seem to have it the day the boxes arrive in the store

That said we should definitely be better at testing with end-users before launch to prevent as many bugs as possible to be let out into the world. It is hard and resource heavy, but we have a group looking at it.

Happy testing, and as I said, keep it coming good or bad.

Best regards

Thomas, Bang & Olufsen

Please add support for Beolab 50s and 90s. I have always found it cumbersome to have to switch between the Core menu and the BL50 menu in both the app and the BR1. However it must be done as the Technical Sound Guide for the 50s on page 40 (and I assume the 90s also) says to set the source to fixed level out and use the 50s volume control. I was hoping the Halo would solve this problem but it does not. My dealer suggested setting the volume out to variable on the Core. I am very reluctant to do this as I am sure there was a very specific reason Geoff put that language in the guide.

And, thank you so much for your presence and participation here in the forum!

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Thank you MrAndersen, there are also a bunch of comments on my youtube videos about what people would like to see. I hearted only the ones with wishes/ideas to make it easier for you guys to find.

The comments with out hearts are mostly questions and or regualr comments.

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beojeff:

It strengthens my faith in B&O's commitment to customers to see that you're paying attention to the forum. I REALLY hope you plan to include in the Halo NL/ML Converter support in the future. There are so many amazing iconic B&O products that are nice to include in the NL network. Speaking of which, I want to alert you to a couple of bugs with regard to the NL/ML Converter when added into a device's local list as linked sourced. For NL/ML Converter sources added to an NL product by way of the NL/ML Converter being a Primary Linked device, the MasterLink N.RADIO source will not appear as an available source. For NL/ML Converter sources added to an NL product by way of the NL/ML Converter being a Secondary Linked device, the MaserLink CD source will not appear as an available source. I hope this might be an easy fix.

I completely agree and nice to have you on the forum Thomas, in your role for B&O and as enthousiast user of many products. In addition to BeoJeff’s request I would like to pitch again for a bit more TLC for the Moment. I feel the Halo could be the perfect companion to the Moment also and it is a pity there is no integration with it.

Bit off topic but if I may ask you to inform internally about any changes for a fix on the Gracenote issue on the Moment. Is it still on the agenda or do we have to take our losses and is it never going to happen anymore. I know there are many around here who are keeping faith in a fix one day...

Thanks, Serge

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I agree with Jeff - the product is not for everyone - what product is actually ?

Simplicity is the key in daily use. In my former days I worked for B&O and was the developer of Beolink 5000 - to my mind that product was simplicity (but you had it all in your hand). The Halo is closing up to this.

If you need to control all details one will anyway find an iPad or iPhone ...

Nice product and perfect for me - and on top of that - it look like an "old" B&O products

(btw - we were sleeping together last night ;-)

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