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Beolit12 battery replacement / upgrade?

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bigbruggsy
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bigbruggsy posted on Thu, Dec 12 2019 9:24 PM

Hello all, almost a year ago I bought a cheap beolit12 which had a battery pack that would not hold charge anymore. This didnt bother me as the unit stayed mostly in the kitchen plugged into the wall.

But now I feel the need to give this beaut little speaker some freedom.

I've opened up the battery pack (quite messily I must admit, as i wasnt sure where the internal components were situated inside) And may have permamntly damaged the circuitry (using the knife I used to cut open the plastic housing)

My first question is

Can you even buy a new Beolit12 battery pack? and if so where?

Second one is , have I damaged mine ? please see photo attached

And third, if I havent damaged mine can I replace the original battery cells with something with a much higher capacity, but with the same physical size, voltage etc.

Something like these - 

Panasonic NCR18650B 3400mAh 3.7v Li-ion MH12210 ...

I look forward to you replies.


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dahiyas
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No - they are not. 

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pjop replied on Sun, Dec 6 2020 2:06 PM

Hi,

I have some battery issues with my Beolit 12. Any tips on how to disassembly the beolit’s battery module?

cheers,

 

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pjop replied on Mon, Dec 7 2020 6:40 AM

...and also. I can’t find any cells at Amazon that seem to fit.

 

Any suggestions? 

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MacDanMc replied on Tue, May 11 2021 10:17 AM

You should to upgrade this thing

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PMarinov replied on Mon, May 17 2021 12:41 PM

Hello everyone,

I have upgraded my battery (Beolit 12) with 3.5Ah cells and it works just fine. It requires certain skill and knowledge, but I am willing to advise anyone interested.

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Flere replied on Mon, May 24 2021 7:32 AM
Would it be possible to build the Beolit 15/17 battery module into the Beolit 12?

This module can be bought.

- Flere

smile and enjoy the moment

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Flere replied on Mon, May 24 2021 7:38 AM
Flere:

Would it be possible to build the Beolit 15/17 battery module into the Beolit 12?

This module can be bought.

This module is 7.4V Li-Ion 3400mAh

- Flere

smile and enjoy the moment

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Hi all, I thought I'd add my experience here if it helps at all.

Small print:- I'm not an electronics engineer, and have no affiliation with the suppliers mentioned.

My Beolit 12 battery died after a few years, so I carefully cut open the pack, and replaced the cells with some nice Panasonic 18650's I got from 'Batteries plus' (in the UK). They cost £30.75 for the 4 inc. shipping & tax.

Plugged it in, and nothing. no output from the board. I tried charging the pack directly, in case the undercharge function* was stopping it working, and still got nothing.

Concluding the board must be faulty, I decided to replace it.

*Lithium cells have to be charged individually, and strict current limits exist on charging and discharging, and not being a fully trained electrical engineer I wasn't sure how many of these functions were being performed by the board in the battery pack, and how many by the unit itself.

I did hunt for a wiring diagram online, but naturally had no luck there.

I note that the individual charge voltages are present on the yellow, green and blue wires from the connector, but still not sure about the current protection levels, so decided to add a new BMS (Battery management system) board.

I bought this board from ebay, from a seller with the confidence filling name of CrazyTom:-'4S 30A 14.8V 16V8 Li-ion Lithium battery BMS BALANCE CHARGE'. Cost £4.99. Very quick shipping.

Wiring is very simple; Large red & black charge wires from the Beolit12 connector to the board (charge/discharge tabs), then add similar size cables from the battery +/- to the board. It comes with a harness which includes the small wires to connect to each cell for charging/balancing.  This is all shown in a diagram on the sellers ebay site. The mini connector from the BL12 is now redundant.

Thought is required as to the direction the wires are soldered, as there's not much room for the board.

Make sure all the tabs are insulated properly, I used heat shrink sleeving (got a nice kit of sleeves from Lidl), but ebay will provide, or at least insulating tape will suffice. And when soldering, do your best not to short out the cells (probably the trickiest part!). Tape can be used to hold the cells in their pack formation too.

I didn't officially time it, but the pack worked fine, and lasted a good day at medium volume.

With my new set-up there is no thermal protection, so I monitored the voltages and temperature of the cells during charge and discharge, and noted the cell voltage pulsing, which showed the charge current was being limited, and there was no nasty temperature rise.

So all in all a success, converting a paperweight into a useful object!

I've never had any success with the wifi, and use a Bluetooth dongle instead.

I also managed to find a replacement door catch from Ali express here:-https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32868859217.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.7e304c4dbd25EX £2.09 for 20!

I tried to add photo's to this post, but I'm afraid the scope of my technical knowledge ended at that point. 

I've uploaded 2 images:- Beolit 12 DIY battery replacement Image 1 & 2 in the 'Lets see your B&O configuration' page, so hopefully you can find them there.

Good luck with your paperweight conversion!

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Plugged it in, and nothing. no output from the board. I tried charging the pack directly, in case the undercharge function* was stopping it working, and still got nothing.

Concluding the board must be faulty, I decided to replace it.

Hi,

Thank you for your experience. Are you saying that replacing the cells only would not be sufficient and would always require to change the board, or was that a specific fault on your unit?

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No, that was just my experience. 

I would expect that you may have to 'reset' the logic on the board if it has tripped, but I assume this would be a simple matter of applying the full charge voltage to the battery terminals, so once charged this should happen automatically. 

It would be nice to get some technical advise from B&O on these matters, especially since I've always thought their ethos was all about quality, style, and longevity, but from my original requests for a replacement battery, this no longer appears to be the case, which is a great shame. 

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