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Millemissen
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Sandyb:

Hardly the most difficult installation.

Plug sound bar into power, join to TV and thats it.

Not sure thats worth paying for.

If that is all that you want,  you might also get the Stage from a third party dealer at a ‘better’ condition.

However, setting both devices up to work with a BROne and connecting it to (your) other B&O/NL devices might be a bit more challenging for some people.

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andybandy:

"I still see Sonos as technically more attractive from that perspective."

I wonder how you can say that, when you see the specification side -by side will Stage beat it in all way.

Hello andybandy,

I didn’t want to jump on the “Let’s all say what B&O should do” bandwagon but... well, here’s my personal opinion.

I presume B&O is targeting the demographics of non-B&O customers who:

- wants to upgrade the audio capabilities of their premium TV’s (LG OLED, Sony OLED, Samsung QLED and The Frame etc.);

- prefers a simple and straightforward all-in-one solution;

- uses the same system for listening to streamed music;

- have barely heard of B&O, never been in an affiliated store, don’t have any B&O home video/audio product, don’t have a Beoremote.

Sonos is the elephant in the room, they are the market leader in this segment.

From what I’ve read on internet, their soundbars are performing well, don’t have any major issue with the software, offer an easily scalable solution (on a later stage you can add fronts, rears and a sub very easily and wirelessly), have almost all the streaming services built in, have smart speaker capabilities (Alexa but they should be able to add Google Home and maybe Apple Siri sometime in the future.

There’s no WiSA but this market segment has no audiophile requirements.

Now I understand that there are difficulties for B&O to catch up the competition because the Sonos guys are already established in this specific segment, have an ecosystem that it has been set years ago and it is well tested over that time, have higher visibility (you can find it every MediaMarkt) and last but not least have financial resources, needed to pay support and all the compatibility services/features listed above (Airplay, Alexa and Spotify, to name a few, don’t come for free).

In order to be competitive and get the attention of these potential customers (NOT us BeoWorlders!) they would need to differentiate the product.

Sonos is a boring black or white box, the Stage is very nice from what I’ve seen in the websites.

And yes, maybe the Stage is beating Sonos in terms of audio specs if I read through the tech summary but I wouldn’t bet this is a major differentiating factor.

Only beware because I have talked about Sonos but there are also Bose and B&W in the arena!

We still miss some of the remaining ingredients the B&O special sauce made of:

- Beoremote, this is not an accessory, it is the cornerstone of the B&O ecosystem, the device with a unique tactile connection with the user, no one else has something like that;

- the Magic, such as some sort of moving part or other effect with a cause (the curtain on the BV [:\'(], the BS 9000 cd positioning system...), not just for the sake of it;

- the ease all the B&O products should connect to each other (e.g. check how the AirPods pair to an iPhone).

All this made the customer feel welcome and special everyday when using a B&O product, then you got addicted and infected by the BeoVirus!

Sorry for the long post but please do not misunderstand, the time all of us spend for this conversation is a clear demonstration of the respect and the attachment we have for this brand. Smile

Olivier
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I have been looking forward to the BS Stage for sometime for use with my Sony A1 OLED.  My Sony is on a piece of furniture and the design of the television has an easel stand at the back and as there is no 'frame / bezel' or stand the TV sits on, and therefore the picture goes all the way to the bottom.

If I installed the BS Stage in front of the TV it would cut off the picture.

There would be a lot of customers like me where they don't have a television mounted on a wall where the soundbar wouldn't obstruct the vision.

So at this stage, I won't buy a stage for my front room.  

I do really like the product though, the design, the craftsmanship. I am a believer that simple is hard to design. 

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I google and the design of A1 is nice. Thumbs Up

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Aussie Michael:

I have been looking forward to the BS Stage for sometime for use with my Sony A1 OLED.  My Sony is on a piece of furniture and the design of the television has an easel stand at the back and as there is no 'frame / bezel' or stand the TV sits on, and therefore the picture goes all the way to the bottom.

If I installed the BS Stage in front of the TV it would cut off the picture.

There would be a lot of customers like me where they don't have a television mounted on a wall where the soundbar wouldn't obstruct the vision.

So at this stage, I won't buy a stage for my front room.  

I do really like the product though, the design, the craftsmanship. I am a believer that simple is hard to design. 

If you waited for it, but also knew that the picture go all the way down to the bottom, what exact soundbar-design were you hoping for? Just curious.

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OlivierC:

Hello andybandy,

I didn’t want to jump on the “Let’s all say what B&O should do” bandwagon but... well, here’s my personal opinion.

I presume B&O is targeting the demographics of non-B&O customers who:

- wants to upgrade the audio capabilities of their premium TV’s (LG OLED, Sony OLED, Samsung QLED and The Frame etc.);

- prefers a simple and straightforward all-in-one solution;

- uses the same system for listening to streamed music;

- have barely heard of B&O, never been in an affiliated store, don’t have any B&O home video/audio product, don’t have a Beoremote.

Sonos is the elephant in the room, they are the market leader in this segment.

From what I’ve read on internet, their soundbars are performing well, don’t have any major issue with the software, offer an easily scalable solution (on a later stage you can add fronts, rears and a sub very easily and wirelessly), have almost all the streaming services built in, have smart speaker capabilities (Alexa but they should be able to add Google Home and maybe Apple Siri sometime in the future.

There’s no WiSA but this market segment has no audiophile requirements.

Now I understand that there are difficulties for B&O to catch up the competition because the Sonos guys are already established in this specific segment, have an ecosystem that it has been set years ago and it is well tested over that time, have higher visibility (you can find it every MediaMarkt) and last but not least have financial resources, needed to pay support and all the compatibility services/features listed above (Airplay, Alexa and Spotify, to name a few, don’t come for free).

In order to be competitive and get the attention of these potential customers (NOT us BeoWorlders!) they would need to differentiate the product.

Sonos is a boring black or white box, the Stage is very nice from what I’ve seen in the websites.

And yes, maybe the Stage is beating Sonos in terms of audio specs if I read through the tech summary but I wouldn’t bet this is a major differentiating factor.

Only beware because I have talked about Sonos but there are also Bose and B&W in the arena!

We still miss some of the remaining ingredients the B&O special sauce made of:

- Beoremote, this is not an accessory, it is the cornerstone of the B&O ecosystem, the device with a unique tactile connection with the user, no one else has something like that;

- the Magic, such as some sort of moving part or other effect with a cause (the curtain on the BV [:\'(], the BS 9000 cd positioning system...), not just for the sake of it;

- the ease all the B&O products should connect to each other (e.g. check how the AirPods pair to an iPhone).

All this made the customer feel welcome and special everyday when using a B&O product, then you got addicted and infected by the BeoVirus!

Sorry for the long post but please do not misunderstand, the time all of us spend for this conversation is a clear demonstration of the respect and the attachment we have for this brand.

Olivier

I completely agree with you, Sonos is THE benchmark if B&O wants to survive. Simplify the app, add spotify again (sorry deezer), make the stage compatible more easy with other multiroom speakers (in the app add speaker groups).

Only with full operational comparison with Sonos, the added value of design/beoremote/upgrade further up in the B&O speaker range will be noticed by a much bigger group of potential buyers.

And main issue, get the stuff sold apart from the outnumbered dealer network. They are there mainly for the real stuff and brand image. Together with a strict price policy, the dealers and main street retail should be able to live together.

Just my non-expert vision
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Fansastic:

I completely agree with you, Sonos is THE benchmark if B&O wants to survive. Simplify the app, add spotify again (sorry deezer), make the stage compatible more easy with other multiroom speakers (in the app add speaker groups).

Only with full operational comparison with Sonos, the added value of design/beoremote/upgrade further up in the B&O speaker range will be noticed by a much bigger group of potential buyers.

And main issue, get the stuff sold apart from the outnumbered dealer network. They are there mainly for the real stuff and brand image. Together with a strict price policy, the dealers and main street retail should be able to live together.

Just my non-expert vision

Only thing I can agree with you there is the Spotify part!

I am pretty sure, that the Stage is not meant to beat Sonos - it is more an alternative for people who want something different.

You can not make something a ‘full operational comparison with Sonos‘ unless it is a Sonos!

The Stage has got to have something to offer, that is not just Sonosish.

You can use the Stage with any AP2 and/or Chromecast compliant speaker system on the market........just add it and use it with Google or Siri, if you please.

The Bronze and the Aluminium versions are supposed to be sold by the ‘main street retail’ - should be rather visible in the market then.

If it has added value (control with BROne and integration with an LG-tv) for those who are more into the B&O stuff, this can’t be bad, or?

MM

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I've read the article MM mentioned, but it causes some confusion.

 

WhatHiFi states that for using Dolby Atmos or TrueHD you need an eARC hdmi connection on your panel. For virtual height sound production. Only newer panels will have that eARC (Enhanced Audio Return Channel) connection with the newer hdmi 2.1 specifications.

B&O doesn't mention that the Stage needs an eARC connection on their site, just ARC. So, is it capable to reproduce some kind of virtual height sound which is done by some sort of algorithm?

Which leads me to the question: Does anyone who already has bought a new panel for the past months/time also experience the True HD and Atmos formats?

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Beobuddy:

I've read the article MM mentioned, but it causes some confusion.

 

WhatHiFi states that for using Dolby Atmos or TrueHD you need an eARC hdmi connection on your panel. For virtual height sound production. Only newer panels will have that eARC (Enhanced Audio Return Channel) connection with the newer hdmi 2.1 specifications.

B&O doesn't mention that the Stage needs an eARC connection on their site, just ARC. So, is it capable to reproduce some kind of virtual height sound which is done by some sort of algorithm?

Which leads me to the question: Does anyone who already has bought a new panel for the past months/time also experience the True HD and Atmos formats?

 

If your TV does not support eARC, you cannot transfer Atmos from the TV to the soundbar - that's how it is. However, if you have a source that support Atmos, you can connect it to the HDMI in on Stage, and then picture is passed on the the TV, and Atmos is passed to the soundbar.

 

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Millemissen:

Only thing I can agree with you there is the Spotify part!

I am pretty sure, that the Stage is not meant to beat Sonos - it is more an alternative for people who want something different.

Hello MM,

Then the point is to define that “something different” that demographics is looking for.

If I have to reduce the idea to the bone, my concern is that the Stage might be perceived as a less complete (no Spotify, no smart capabilities) but better looking soundbar at x3 the price of a Sonos competing product.

Then this might be snowballing down to:

why not Bose or B&W (or Sonos if I can live with the look)? —> the differentiating factors would be brand recognition, aesthetics and price.

And the final step would be the old refrain that all of us hate and have heard in the past: B&O is just all aesthetics and low specs/value for the money compared to less exotic and mass marketed products.

IMHO, as usual!

Olivier

P.S. MM thank you again for the support you gave me with the V1, the sentence in your signature is 100% true even if I have a “poor man” BV!
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christiank:

If you waited for it, but also knew that the picture go all the way down to the bottom, what exact soundbar-design were you hoping for? Just curious.

Good point.

I don’t know.

But! I may have a plan and a hack. And maybe another idea for STB brackets after I won their previous competition for a stand idea for the V1.
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christiank:

Beobuddy:

I've read the article MM mentioned, but it causes some confusion.

 

WhatHiFi states that for using Dolby Atmos or TrueHD you need an eARC hdmi connection on your panel. For virtual height sound production. Only newer panels will have that eARC (Enhanced Audio Return Channel) connection with the newer hdmi 2.1 specifications.

B&O doesn't mention that the Stage needs an eARC connection on their site, just ARC. So, is it capable to reproduce some kind of virtual height sound which is done by some sort of algorithm?

Which leads me to the question: Does anyone who already has bought a new panel for the past months/time also experience the True HD and Atmos formats?

 

If your TV does not support eARC, you cannot transfer Atmos from the TV to the soundbar - that's how it is. However, if you have a source that support Atmos, you can connect it to the HDMI in on Stage, and then picture is passed on the the TV, and Atmos is passed to the soundbar.

 

Which again leads to the question:

If you have an UHD-player (only - legal - way to get Atmos within a Dolby HD container) connected to the LG-tv (which supports eARC), how about the port on the Stage.?

On the device itself it is labelled as ARC, but in the specs sheet shown in the Flatpanel article both ARC and eARC are mentioned.

Which is right: labelling on the device or the specs on that website?

Wired Connectivity HDMI (HDMI 2.0 HDCP 2.2) with eARC and ARC support.

HDMI in (HDMI 2.0 HDCP 2.2 with support for 4K HDR 50/60 Hz)

 

MM

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Beobuddy:

Which leads me to the question: Does anyone who already has bought a new panel for the past months/time also experience the True HD and Atmos formats?

Please be aware that Atmos is not a sound format....it’s a set of informations, that can be added to a Dolby Plus or a Dolby HD stream (these are the sound formats).

Generally the streaming services use Dolby Plus - you can find Dolby HD on the (UHD)Bluray discs. Both can have added Atmos informations embedded.

MM

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Hiort replied on Fri, Sep 6 2019 12:16 PM

Millemissen:

If you have an UHD-player (only - legal - way to get Atmos within a Dolby HD container) connected to the LG-tv (which supports eARC), how about the port on the Stage.?

E.g Netflix, iTunes and Amazon provide Atmos in their services, right?  At least Netflix use the DD+ container. 

 

 

 

 

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Ramasjang replied on Tue, Sep 10 2019 10:20 AM

Will the sound soundbar work with this LG monitor? (It is HDMI 2.0, HDCP 2.2 Compatible)

link:

https://www.lg.com/levant_en/monitors/lg-43UD79-B

 

Thanks

 

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Ramasjang replied on Tue, Sep 10 2019 10:20 AM

Will the sound soundbar work with this LG monitor? (It is HDMI 2.0, HDCP 2.2 Compatible)

link:

https://www.lg.com/levant_en/monitors/lg-43UD79-B

 

Thanks

 

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tobeyone replied on Wed, Sep 11 2019 6:18 PM
Price of smoked oak version seems to have gone up already I think.....now on B&O website at £1,900, thought it was going to be £1,750 but maybe wrong......edit....sorry was wrong was £1,900....!!
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First video I have seen, where the BROne functionallity with the LG/C9 is shown.

https://youtu.be/uMW8y83MXL4

MM

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