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Beolab 50 and Turntables - Is the sound digitised

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Epsilon20
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Epsilon20 posted on Thu, Jun 27 2019 3:19 PM

Hi Guys, I've been offered a LINN Sondek LP12 at a great price to use with my Beolab 50s  and considering buying it however. The Beolab 50s and more recent speakers  as i understand it is a digital speaker and if i were to connect the turntable to the speakers via the phono in (first through a phono stage) the speaker would digitise the sound which takes away the whole reason of getting a Turnable /analogue source.

Am i correct in thinking that turntables with B&O systems of recent times 17s, 18s, 20,50's & 90s is pointless if you want an analogue sound? I hope not Crying 

I've already bought Vinyls and was about to pay for the Linn sondek which is an absolutely beautiful and great sounding turntable.

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Hmmmm......are you hunting specs - or are you listening to music?

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Thats a fair question MM but I only went looking for specs to learn about the speakers that stand proudly in my living room. Normally when you buy non B&O speakers accompanied by amps its about the specs your getting for the money. The 50s are a premium speaker but they are sold on the basis of ease of use, musicality, the mechanics of the rising tweeters and design. I actually want to know whats under the hood after paying the asking price.

In my case I was going to start a new hobby collecting old jazz vinyls recorded in the 1950s and listening to them via the Beolab 50s. I could just stick to digital music which realistically is so easy to work as all the jazz albums I want are on my streaming platform in CD or Hi-rez,  but want the fanfare of Vinyl.

If the speakers digitise the sound ,then buying a turntable is an expense that makes no sense unless you already own allot of vinyl.

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The “purity” of that era is so compromised in terms of recording anyway that I don’t understand the fuss. Not all vinyl is equal and by todays standards the recording equipment wasn’t all that clean compared either. Sure that gave a certain and maybe a desired sound but most of the time that was just the best they could do with the comprise of vinyl. Don’t get me wrong, I love vinyl too as it does have a certain flair to it, but the medium it self is even limited in the amount of “data”/signal you can record on to it.

And as for the 50’s i personally wouldn’t care too much about the adc as it’s good/clean/works well. Anytime anybody labels something “audiophile grade” they actually mean a prefference. It’s clever marketing mostly. I tested the b&w 800d3’s with all the “audiophile” amps and cramp like that vs the 50’s. The people that tried to sell me the b&w kit laughed at the 50’s as apparently it’s all style and no substance with b&o and yet to me the 50’s still sounded better, all be it just slightly. What pulled me over the line for 50’s that they were a cheaper package for slightly better sound. In the end there are certainly other brands with better sounding speakers than the 50’s but you’ll have to spend a fortune and reeeeally love your vinyl. Not to mention that you’ll be tuning the “system” for ever as amp, dac,adc,cables etc combo’s will all give a (slightly) different sound. But then everything will be “audiophile” approved and you may end up with an equally good sounding setup(or worse lol), but not necessarily a better oneStick out tongue

I still say to just get a turntable you like and try it out, you need to have it anyway, and maybe it surprises you and you’ll like it as is.

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The word "Audiophile" seems to be an emotive word for some as it brings up thoughts of non B&O fans lambasting our tastes in loud speakers. Personally I I would never get a set of speakers that required a rack with amps, pre-amps, power conditioners, mono amp for each left/right speaker as honestly it would look a mess and want speakers that fit into my life not the other way round. And yes you would be continuously trying to balance the Hifi racks if I chose different components from different makers. I'm sure if you got  a pro to pick the components that system would rival the 50s in sound but not overall package.

I agree that CDs, SACDs and certainly uncompressed digital sound is superior to Vinyl. With Vinyl its a lottery of what you will get in terms of sound quality especially when buying older records.

If I bought a cheaper turntable, I probably wouldn't care so much abut the digitisation of the analogue signal but the linns cost an arm and a leg I obviously want to get the best out of it.

Lets not forget all the hi-rez streaming applications like Deezer Hi-fi, Tidal and Qobuz will take analogue sources for the older music and convert them to digital. It just wanted a chance to experience analogue sound , whether for the good or bad, at times when I want to chill out and listen to music in a ceremonial fashion ParadiseDrinks  

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Mikipidia:

I still say to just get a turntable you like and try it out, you need to have it anyway, and maybe it surprises you and you’ll like it as is.

I’d second that - give it a try!

P.S. ever considered a Beogram turntable, one with the tangential tracking - maybe a Beogram 4000?

 

MM

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DMacri replied on Fri, Jun 28 2019 11:06 AM
Just one more thought - since each Beolab 50 is basically a mono speaker, does it need the power of a top of the line recent stereo ADC? Would an older, known and reliable chip be a satisfactory choice? I just wouldn’t automatically discount it as a viable solution is all.

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I personally think the “audiophile” thing is a misnomer mostly (and a clever marketing term)as i would say that 5’s 50’s and 90’s would all be in that catagory, if you could call it that. I think WE are audiophiles for sure, I think it’s a correct term for people that are a bit too much in to audioStick out tongue but as for labeling gear(speakers and such)as such is where I don’t think it really applies as there is no standard. It’s a bit like all the modern day products/electronics that have the label “pro” on it. Let’s take a mac book/ipad “pro”, there isn’t much pro about it other than it’s a bit more powerfull.

So you, me, we are audiophiles. But if someone says product x is “audiophile grade” then show me numbers or a comparison to product y which isn’t labeled as such. Other than that i think it’s marketing mostly and more or less a statement of prefference, which is obviously fine but that’s subjective rather than objectiveStick out tongue

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AdamS replied on Fri, Jun 28 2019 1:02 PM

I have a turntable plugged into my Beolab 90s via a phono preamp and preamplifier (not a cheap one, either!). I also worried that it was pointless due to the digitisation of the signal.

I needn't have worried - it sounds stunning and blows all the other sources into the weeds!

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MM - I did originally try and get a Beogram Turntable for 3 months looking on ebay, speaking to dealers and private sellers but i there were so many models in various conditions so couldnt decide on which one to get. Plus there was a concern that i would struggle (have to pay an arm and a leg)  to get replacement styluses and cartridges for these vintage and/older models. I then went the opposite direction to look at Pro-ject and Rega turntables and they were perfectly good but didnt like any other designs as  i wanted something with a wood finish. I then stumbled accross a LINN dealer selling a mid- range Sondek L12 (they have a low, middle & high end player) at half the usual price. So essentially the LINN ticked all the boxes.

MIKIPEDIA - I really like the design and Ultimately I really want to listen to Jazz from the 40, 50's and 60s and allot of the artists from this time are getting their music re-pressed in new Vinyl from the original master tapes by companies like Mobile Fidelity, Blue note records and Music Matters Jazz. They wont be getting a release digitally as far as im aware and they will sound superior to the original Vinly pressings. So in short ill be going for it. And as Politician pointed out, LINNS top of the range phono stage the URIKA II digitizes the signal before sending this to its amps and speakers just shows that it can work if you pick the right components. Although i say this without having listened to a digitized analogue Vinly Stick out tongue

I think that B&O should give form of "official advice" of what devices work best with their speaker - things like streamers, Turntables, Phono stages etc. I know they do this in the IDEA CATALOGUE that i've seen online but they didnt include turntables.

I have two options for the phono stage after some modest research time. 

Option 1- A Schiit Audio Mani phono stage which costs £149 & has stella reviews or option 2 the PS audio Nuwave phone stage (£1k). I'm learning towards the cheaper phono phono stage while i learn what works best with the speakers.

AdamS - What phono stage and preamplifier are you using?

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Epsilon20:
It just wanted a chance to experience analogue sound

Then as said several times, the 50 is NOT your choice! And its NOT about how or where you do digital conversion or what nots!

The 50 processes the signal in ways you cannot do in an analog system, and thus the sound will NEVER have the properties of analog sound!

 

Its a bit like asking for the CRT TV experience on an OLED screen, No matter how gorgeous the OLED technology is,- it will never happen!

So in this case you need to get a full analog setup if you truly appreciate the properties of analog sound.

 

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DMacri:
Just one more thought - since each Beolab 50 is basically a mono speaker, does it need the power of a top of the line recent stereo ADC? Would an older, known and reliable chip be a satisfactory choice? I just wouldn’t automatically discount it as a viable solution is all.

You have to elaborate a bit here, how did mono sneak into that question?

Where in the signal chain are you considering putting in an ADC?

 

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BEOVOX141:

Epsilon20:
It just wanted a chance to experience analogue sound

Then as said several times, the 50 is NOT your choice! And its NOT about how or where you do digital conversion or what nots!

The 50 processes the signal in ways you cannot do in an analog system, and thus the sound will NEVER have the properties of analog sound!

Its a bit like asking for the CRT TV experience on an OLED screen, No matter how gorgeous the OLED technology is,- it will never happen!

So in this case you need to get a full analog setup if you truly appreciate the properties of analog sound.

Your right BEOVOX, Worst case i can just buy some relatively affordable passive bookshelf speakers, an amp to power them and i'm golden. Obviosuly this would would mean i have another audio setup in another room but that would be a pure audio chain.

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AdamS replied on Fri, Jun 28 2019 6:37 PM

Epsilon20:

AdamS - What phono stage and preamplifier are you using?

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DMacri replied on Sat, Jun 29 2019 12:48 AM
BEOVOX141:

You have to elaborate a bit here, how did mono sneak into that question?

Where in the signal chain are you considering putting in an ADC?

Maybe I am assuming too much, but each BL50 is basically a single channel of a stereo pair (thus mono). They have Digital Signal Processing and features analog inputs, so it needs an analog to digital converter stage prior to the DSP. ADC chips are most likely built for stereo operation at a minimum, unless I have that wrong, so either the second channel is idle, or the inputs may be connected in parallel. Either way, that may reduce the burden on the circuit.

Dom

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Jeff replied on Sat, Jun 29 2019 1:36 AM

Huh?

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