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jhamers posted on Fri, Apr 26 2019 4:42 PM

Hi, 

Our setup at home is that we have BeoSound/Beomaster 5 as 'master' and 7 rooms with BeoLink active/passive.

Since the demise of the last option to use spotify on the beomaster, this nice system turned out to be the biggest disappointment in my life and now basically is just a very expensive internet radio streaming device. So I complained to my original dealer and he told me to come in to talk about the BeoSound Core.

Now, I don't understand if adding one BeoSound Core will revive my entire system or that i'm supposed to add a BeoSound core to each of the existing 'touchpoints' ?

Does anybody have any experience with that?

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Beosince98
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The Beolink converter 1611 automatically configures (I know, magic). If you do not have a TV in your setup, it automatically assumes that role. Now you just need a cable (ask Steve at Sounds Heavenly) to connect the Chromecast/Amazon Dot to the Blink converter and you should be good to go.

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Hi,

i’m not a tech savy and managed to make it work. What you need is to add a masterlink plug to your system if you don’t have one free. Thats the difficult part. You can get one installed by a technicien or find a masterlink multiplug and add a new cable with plugs on both sides, or split a cable yourself and do the wiring with a junction box.

Then you add to this plug the converter, and power it up. It will autoconfigure itself and see your beomaster as a master. You will plug the chromecast or sonos or wathever you want as a secondary source in the converter aux in. The converter can also act a master but you need to change the option on the beomaster 5 to slave, in this case when you press on play on an ir eye what is played on the converter will be played through your system directly.

 

All you need to do is press tv on the beo4 instead of radio or cd so pretty integrated and pilot your music through your chromecast via phone or tablet, you can change the volume through the phone. So 2 steps instead of one but still acceptable.

works 99,99% of the time for me depending on my wifi.

easy solution and cheap, wished my b&o technicien would have proposed this from start would have avoid to buy a beomaster 5, but little regrets as i do love it to listen to CDs and looks good in my living room.

 

i have an android tv plugged in also the converter, plays spotify or can play video clips via youtube or tv channel works with voice through google home or phone. Unfortunetly my other android tvs (sony) are not linked and can’t play video clips in multiroom but maybe google will offer this functionality one day.

 

location isn’t so important as all this works through wifi or masterlink network so 0 cables going around all integrated in the walls.

 

one room was not linked to the network so i’m using a beolink wireless, works in the setup but system itself isn’t super reliable only works 75% of the time, will get this room cabled asap.

 

bottom line, nothing is better than cabling for sound quality and reliability, and when wifi is down you can still listen to a cd.

 

sonos is cheap but love the looks of my bang speakers, ir eyes and essence remote, don’t need to walk around with a remote as i can turn the music on in any room independently.

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PS it just works and you don’t have to worry about it

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PS it just works and you don’t have to worry about it

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PS it just works and you don’t have to worry about it

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You can upload your bs5 tracks to the cloud for free (50K tracks max)and access via Google play music, using the chromecast audio suggested earlier.

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jhamers replied on Sun, Apr 28 2019 10:37 PM

lechatsurletoit:
What you need is to add a masterlink plug to your system if you don’t have one free. Thats the difficult part.

That's actually the easy part for me, This house has a master link plug coming out in every room, the previous owners were massive fans...

I'll try to hunt down such a converter box tomorrow on the internet and I have a spare apple tv which i suppose will work too.

 

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Beosince98:

Beautiful and easy solution to the problem. I highly recommend this solution as you keep within the ecosystem and remain remote functionality.

Yes, and actually no!

All that happens, is that you (with the command TV) can open a port in the ML ecosystem in order to send any audio in there.

You highly rely on the ChromCast device (or any other choosen audio device) and on the apps, that you need for the playback.

Using a NL/ML converter in order to feed the sources of e.g. a BS Core is different.

You will be able to use the sources/possibilities, that a NL-based device brings to the mix in the ML chain as well as the sources of the ML chain/BS5 via the Core. Please also think future usecases.....you might get another NL device sooner or later. And you can ‘map’ these sources to different commands on the Beo4 for an easier access to e.g. a playlist or a netradio favourite list.

However, if what a ChromeCast device can add, is sufficient for you, do use the 1611 suggestion - it is relatively simple to do!

 

I just want you to know the possibilities, that you have....in order to make the right choices.

 

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

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beojeff replied on Sun, Apr 28 2019 11:35 PM

I'm in agreement with MM here. Adding an NL/ML Converter will give you the proper control. Also, just adding a cheaper device such as a BeoPlay M3 or BeoPlay M5 somewhere in the house will give you all of the sources from a Core at a lower cost (after factoring in the cost of the NL/ML Converter).

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When the dealer was explaining all the options he mentioned this NL/ML converter and how unstable it was etc and that it had been taken out of sales?

It seems you guys don't think as it as unstable?

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Hi,

could you be a bit more specific on the extra functionalities the nl/ml converter would bring.

if you have speakers plugged in directly in the beomaster then the 1611 won’t fire them up, would the nl/ml do this? 

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Millemissen:

Beosince98:

Beautiful and easy solution to the problem. I highly recommend this solution as you keep within the ecosystem and remain remote functionality.

Yes, and actually no!

All that happens, is that you (with the command TV) can open a port in the ML ecosystem in order to send any audio in there.

You highly rely on the ChromCast device (or any other choosen audio device) and on the apps, that you need for the playback.

Using a NL/ML converter in order to feed the sources of e.g. a BS Core is different.

You will be able to use the sources/possibilities, that a NL-based device brings to the mix in the ML chain as well as the sources of the ML chain/BS5 via the Core. Please also think future usecases.....you might get another NL device sooner or later. And you can ‘map’ these sources to different commands on the Beo4 for an easier access to e.g. a playlist or a netradio favourite list.

However, if what a ChromeCast device can add, is sufficient for you, do use the 1611 suggestion - it is relatively simple to do!

 

I just want you to know the possibilities, that you have....in order to make the right choices.

 

MM

I totally agree that the Core and Converter NL/ML would be the "proper" way to do things. I actually own a NL/ML converter and am pretty happy, even though it is not that stable, which may be due to my network at home. However, I think adding the Core and NL/ML converter or Converter 1611 and chrome cast to the existing setup in this case both do exactly what was required by the person starting this thread. Keep in mind that the Core + NL/ML converter would be an investment north of 1000€ with little advantages over the much cheaper 1611 Converter and chrome cast combo. The real advantage of adding the Core would simply be adding more sources than only one and being a bit more future proof. If this was my setup, I would definitely go for the 1611 Converter. 

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beojeff replied on Mon, Apr 29 2019 12:00 PM
I haven't had issues with stability and have 4 NL/ML converters.

The primary purpose of the NL/ML converter is to bridge NL and ML products. Your ML sources can be accessed and controlled from your NL products and your NL sources can be accessed and controlled from your ML products. The key word here is CONTROLLED. You can use your B&O remote to access an NL source from your link rooms and navigate through songs or internet radio stations. In your case, you would map, for example, Deezer to a B&O remote source button and Tune-In to another B&O remote source button. For example, you could press "TV" and play Deezer or press "DTV" and play Tune-In. Those are just example. You can decide which source buttons to map. I found that Deezer seamlessly replaced Spotify and Tune In replaced the shrinking N.Radio of the BeoSound 5.

The NL/ML converter does not actually provide the new NL sources itself. Rather, it provides the sources from a connected NL device -- such as a Core, Essence, M3, M5, A6, etc. It really doesn't matter which NL product you use. That's why I recommended adding the M3 rather than the Core since the M3 is more affordable. The NL device does not need to be playing for the NL/ML converter to provide the source.

Your speakers connected to the BeoSound 5 still function as speakers connected to the BeoSound 5 and can play the NL sources in addition to the ML sources.
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jhamers:

When the dealer was explaining all the options he mentioned this NL/ML converter and how unstable it was etc and that it had been taken out of sales?

It seems you guys don't think as it as unstable?

I guess one may call that a bad excuse - maybe he has not enough experience with that converter.

It definitely was not taken out of sales because it was/is unstable.

It was EOL’ed because there wasn’t enough reasons to produce and sell this kind of device anymore.

At that time a lot of the older costumers already had merged their setup into pure NL-multiroom and there were enough preused converters on the market for those who still want and need it.

IMO it is still a good device for bridging old and new BeoLink.

MM

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I might add that the NL/ML converter was really nicer than it really NEEDED to be -- in terms of materials and aesthetics. It has this huge slab of beautiful brushed aluminum (it's the same casing as the BLGW) that feels like it should be showcased on the wall. Yet, most of us are likely to hide it away in a cabinet and never see the beauty of it. Perhaps a smaller, just plastic device could have been manufactured at a better price.

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