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How many 1611 converters can be used in a master link network?

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Luke Spadavecchia posted on Sun, Mar 10 2019 10:21 AM

Hi all,

I'm hoping to add another 1611 converter to my existing master link network, and I'm having some difficulties. Before I start messing around with the configuration too much I just want to be sure what I'm attempting is possible. I already have one 1611 in the network to connect my beosystem 7000. In addition to that one I'd like to add another 1611 to send datalink commands to a lintronic converter (as per the application note here http://www.abo-center.dk/Abo_center_2/reptips/diagrammer/Link/Lin%20Tronic%20Interfacing%20.pdf). Is more than one 1611 permitted in the network?

Here's a basic schematic of what I'm trying to do:

[Beomaster 7000]--<datalink>--[1611]--<masterlink>--[masterlink network]--<masterlink>--[1611]--<datalink>--[Lintronic]--<RS232 to USB>--[mac mini]

i need two 1611s because the Beosystem 7000 is located in a different room to my computer.

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Hi all,

Just hooked up the 1614 converter and... IT WORKS!!

This is likely to be of pretty limited interest to others as it is somewhat setup specific but I can confirm the following:

1. You can use a 1614 converter in the same network as a 1611 converter with no conflicts. 

2. You can use a 1614 converter or a 1611 converter as an interface for the Lintronic converter as per the application note above.

3. The beolink video cannot be used to sample commands from the master link to the intronic in the same was as the above converters. It can however be used to put commands onto the masterlink as described in the application note above. 

Thanks to everyone for their help, support and useful suggestions

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Cheers Ralph - the Beomaster 7000 responds to a.aux/N.Music/A.Tape2 and I have an apple airport express connecting Aiplay audio from the Mac to the Beomaster 7000. At present I listen to the Mac by pressing N.Music on my beo4 remote, which activates N.Music. I then have to start iTunes playing on the Mac either locally, or sung the apple remote app on my iPhone. The audio playback is fine - I'm just trying to find a way to start iTunes playing automatically when I press N.music.

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RaMaBo replied on Thu, Mar 21 2019 9:47 PM

Ah, ok. a.Tape2 / N.Music is an audio command. The IR sequence is the same, just the name is different.

 

Do you have any other devices on your Masterlink Network or why do you have the 1611 connected?

Ralph-Marcus

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oli replied on Fri, Mar 22 2019 5:57 AM
Luke Spadavecchia :

Cheers Ralph - the Beomaster 7000 responds to a.aux/N.Music/A.Tape2 and I have an apple airport express connecting Aiplay audio from the Mac to the Beomaster 7000. At present I listen to the Mac by pressing N.Music on my beo4 remote, which activates N.Music. I then have to start iTunes playing on the Mac either locally, or sung the apple remote app on my iPhone. The audio playback is fine - I'm just trying to find a way to start iTunes playing automatically when I press N.music.

The more simple to control your Mac with a remote is to use the Apple remote, or to use a Lintronic box with the Beo4 to convert the IR signal. This way you can use the N.MUSIC button to play iTunes and even the other up/down/right/left/stop buttons with iTunes and your Beo4 or allocate whatever button to whatever function you want to control.
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RaMaBo replied on Fri, Mar 22 2019 9:25 AM

Hi oli,

that's what Luke wanted to do but with one important point: The Mac is located in another room and delivers the audio via Airplay into the room where his BS700 is located.

The problem Luke has is how to transport the Beolink commands from the 'BS7000 room' to the 'Mac room' where is Lintronic Box converts the B&O commands (N.Music / A.tape2, up, down...) to 'iTunes commands'.

Right now he uses a Beolink converter 1611 to connect his BS7000 to the masterlink network. Now he needs a 'translator from ML to Datalink for the Lintronic box.

Ralph-Marcus

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Hi Luke, 

OK - I had that working on my BS6500 and LX5000 and had the MacMini fully controllable, the sound I did as you connected it into Tape 2. 

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Stefan 

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Hi Luke, 

Started to think about another solution if you interact with the MacMini via bluetooth ;)

Check this bluetooth player from loudlink that is fully controllable via datalink, I've been thinking to purchase that one for my units that handle datalink. This one I think can be interesting also with alexa or google home to link the bluetooth to the loudlink so that the sound automatically start up your BS7000 when you ask to play a song. 

Product link

Youtube video about the loudlink solution

Another option is to use the mammutbox (www.mammutbox.com), that can receive your IR signals and fully control you mac via TCP/IP. 

Regarding the translator from ML to Datalink (Lintronic box), does you have any other connection to the ML cable from the 1611 to the room there you have the MacMini?  Was thinking that one solution is to just pull out the data signal + Earth from Tape 2 and by a long connection to the IR in on the Lintronic box receive the datalink signal so you can use the Lintronic to control the MacMini. You would off cause need to combine the audio and data link into the same din connector.

Just an idea ;)

Stefan 

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TWG replied on Sun, Mar 24 2019 8:46 AM

Maybe another option can be an old Beoport / Beolink PC2 connected to your mac and using the old BM-Link software for Mac OS:

http://www.odlund.se/bmlink/

It's from a Beoworld member as far as I know and I don't know if it still works but it could be worth a try as it does exactly what you want.

Another option would be to connect a Playmaker instead of the Airport express. With that option you can use your Beo 4 to skip tracks on iTunes as far as I remember.

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Thanks everyone for some really interesting options - not all of them will work for what I need but there are a couple of interesting avenues there if I can't get this to work with the 1614 converter (as per Ralph's suggestion) which I'm awaiting delivery of.

Just to give a clearer picture of what I'm trying to achieve, I need a solution that will allow remote control of the Mac Mini from all my link rooms in a reasonably large master link network (2 beovisions, an MLGW, 4 beolink passives, 2 beolink actives, and the Beosystem 7000 connected via a 1611 converter) across my house and summerhouse/shed.

I live in a 1920s built house and all of the walls are solid brick, so long cable runs are a nightmare of drilling and chasing which I'm trying desperately to avoid. I previously ran a bunch of cables under the floor, but have recently had new parquet flooring fitted throughout the downstairs so this is no longer an option! Stefan is absolutely right that a really simple option would be to run data and ground from the 1611 already attached to the Beosystem through to the intronic box attached to the mac mini (which lives in a server rack in a cupboard under the stairs), and this is my backup plan if I can't get the 1614 to work: It will involve drilling trough 2 brick walls and chasing some cable runs so at the moment I'm trying my best to take advantage of the existing Masterlink installation. 

I'm not sure why I never managed to get my Beolink PC2 (since sold) to work: I tried it with BMLink but it was completely unresponsive to commands on the network, although I was able to control it locally with an attached IR receiver. As TWG says it may be because I'm running the most recent Mac OS, although I have heard others have had some success with it. The only other potential benefit of using the Lintronic in this set up is the additional flexibility it brings in terms of my home automation system - I run and Indigo server on the Mac, so there is potential to do more interesting things than just controlling iTunes if I get it working right.

I really appreciate the time and effort people have gone to with all the suggestions so far - I'll let you know how the 1614 works out when it arrives. If that fails I'm taking Stefan's advice and firing up the SDS drill!

All the best

Luke

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DMacri replied on Sun, Mar 24 2019 12:00 PM
I think for the Beolink PC2 to work, the whole system must be compatible with N.Music and N.Radio commands. The BeoSystem 7000 is not, so that will create a conflict.

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Luke Spadavecchia
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Hi all,

Just hooked up the 1614 converter and... IT WORKS!!

This is likely to be of pretty limited interest to others as it is somewhat setup specific but I can confirm the following:

1. You can use a 1614 converter in the same network as a 1611 converter with no conflicts. 

2. You can use a 1614 converter or a 1611 converter as an interface for the Lintronic converter as per the application note above.

3. The beolink video cannot be used to sample commands from the master link to the intronic in the same was as the above converters. It can however be used to put commands onto the masterlink as described in the application note above. 

Thanks to everyone for their help, support and useful suggestions

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Glad to read that it worked, then will I probably get my hands on a 1614 as well to be able to integrate a growing ML setup with several older MCL units included.

Regards

Stefan

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