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OlivierC posted on Wed, Aug 8 2018 10:38 PM

Hello, 

 

I’m still quite new to the BeoWorld, I’m just starting to dip my toes, therefore pardon me in case my questions might sound a bit naive. 

 

I am currently looking for a pre-loved white BeoPlay V1-40 with the ambition of using it primarily as a wireless speaker for streaming music (Apple Music, Spotify, TuneIn) via Apple devices (both iOS and macOS), for an old audio system via Airport Express, then as a tv player of streamed content (Netflix and NAS). 

 

Hence my questions. 

 

1) I thought I had collected all the possible facts about the V1 in the past few weeks, while just today I have stumbled on the information that the WiFi antenna was an option! 😳

What if it is not included? Should I look for the OE Tyco antenna? If yes, any suggestion on where I can find it and estimated cost? If not, is there any alternate option you may suggest? Which 802.11 standard is complying to? Single or dual band?

 

2) I would like to add the 4K Apple TV, even though I am aware I will not benefit of the 4K and HDR features. 

Would it still fit on the recessed rear channel? Would it work also as a WiFi receiver for the TV (then making the Tyco antenna unnecessary)? How can I control music streaming from old hi-fi+AE, speakers on and video turned off? Would casual gaming via A-TV have the same lag experienced with game consoles? 

 

3) In case of future wireless audio expansion what would you suggest? Would it be possible to connect BeoPlay A6 or A9? 

 

Well, while re-reading my post I have noticed that I have collected a fair amount of doubts, so I hope you Gentlemen can help to clarify at least some of them. 

 

Thank you! 

 

OlivierC

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jans
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jans replied on Thu, Aug 9 2018 8:31 AM
Hello Olivier

I can tell you that - IMHO -the V1 is an excellent TV which has always offered a lot of value for money! You will certainly not regret buying one as your first steps into the B&O world.

From your use cases, it looks that most of the connectivity questions can be resolved by adding an ATV to the V1, both for music and other content such as Netflix. I don’t have an ATV4 so I can’t confirm if it fits in the back, but I am sure other forum members will be able to give you more info.

Of course, once you want to go for the B&O multi room experience, you will need connect the V1 to your local network, either via WiFi, or preferably with a wired connection. I can’t comment on connecting another WiFi antenna to the V1. It is strange that it isn’t offered together with the tv.
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Hi Oliver,

if you can’t get the original receiver, a better way (maybe) would be to get a wireless access point with a network port and use to wire the V1.

The V1 definitely should be on your home network - the ATV4 can go wifi and most other modern devices too.

Where to hide this gear is another issue - I prefer having these in a cupboard or similar nearby.

The V1-40 is a good choice - especially when you consider the price.

Don’t expect to use the SmartTV functions - Youtube, Netradio and the DLNA client are very usefull, however.

In some cases you can program the tv to turn off the screen when listening to music only.

When not you can use the P.Mute function on the remote.

If you need to go budget, do consider buying a BeoPlay M3 and connect (NL) this to the V1 - might give you some more source options and B&O multiroom.

Also AirPlay2 to the ATV4/V1 and the M3 can give you yet another multiroom option.

Have fun with your ‘new’ V1.

MM

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jans, MM, thank you both for the prompt response. 

From the information you have provided, it should be a “low risk” scenario. 

Good to know! 

Mine I will try to dig more from the sellers, then I will let you knw! 

Cheers. 

OlivierC

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OlivierC replied on Fri, Sep 14 2018 10:19 AM
Dear All, 
I am glad to announce I’ve been able to find a BP V1-40 and I’m happy with this set so far, despite of the fact I’m still learning. 
At least I am now able to answer to some of the questions I have originally posted. 
  1. The Tyco antenna is almost always included, however it is safer to ask before buying. It is a dual frequency 802.11n WLAN. In addition I would also suggest to ask if the PUC cable is included. Mine didn’t but I have solved thanks to Steve @SoundsHeavenly.com. My understanding is that the V1 was originally supplied with at least one of those cables. 
  2. The recessed area behind the V1 can store an Apple TV up to ver. 3 but not the following versions as they are thicker. Well, they can still be installed but the back cover wouldn’t fit. This is a pity because a 1/2 inch deeper channel would have been sufficient to fit the lates ATV’s. 
  3. I’m not 100% sure but my understanding is that wireless audio expansion would require a Transmitter 1. I don’t think it is possible to wirelessly connect two m3 or m5 as right and left speakers. 
Now I have a further question but first please check the pictures hereunder. 
After securing the Tyco antenna in the recessed rear channel, the back cover is not fitting properly, as if the antenna height is higher than the available space in the channel. 
Is there anyone experiencing the same issue? In case it is not, may you please suggest how to properly place the Tyco antenna in order to avoid that rear “bump”? 
Another item is related to the tv apps. 
YouTube works flawlessly but TuneIn doesn’t stream most of the radios. 
There’s an “error while downloading the playlist” message. 
I have also noticed that the V1 is still showing the old icon: does it all happen because the apps are no more supported/updated?
Any suggestion would be appreciated! 
Cheers. 
OlivierC
P.S. I love how the V1 sounds with both movies and music!
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To 3.

The V1’s don’t have WiSA built-in - you’ll need the transmitter.

The M3/M5 are not speakers - they are ‘all in one music systems’.

The are supposed to connect to the V1 through NL (using the router-hardwire/wifi).

I know some people try to use the kine-in connections of the M3/5.

I would not advice to do this - it is too fiddly and won’t satisfy you in the end.

Get some preowned BL4000 (BL4 or alike) instead!

 

The buit-in netradio function in V1 is not TuneIn - personally I have had no problems finding the stations I need.

 

MM

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OlivierC replied on Fri, Sep 14 2018 12:17 PM

Thank you MM! 

I will consider the speakers suggesiton for the future upgrade! 

 

I have now added the pictures: do you (or other user) know why the Tyco antenna is not fitting in the channel? 

Am I doing something wrong or is it supposed to be placed in a different position/area, outside the TV? 

Cheers. 

 

OliverC

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benjnz replied on Fri, Sep 14 2018 2:29 PM

Hi Oliver, am not sure if mine came with official B&O antenna or not, however from the picture mine is situated at the other end of the cabinet to yours, so not sure if that helps or not.

Have also used mine to wirelessly NetLink to an M5 and a BS2and it seems ok, although I can agree getting some BL4000, as they're amazing speakers and getting cheaper all the time.

For network radio either set-up N.Radio in the connections list, or I use the Receiver app on the AppleTv.

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benjnz:

For network radio either set-up N.Radio in the connections list, or I use the Receiver app on the AppleTv.

I would surely do the first.

If Oliver does not know yet - you can map the Netradio to Radio and start your radio stations directly from the (Beo4) remote.

You can even use the digits on the remote for a specific station - on the BeoRemote One you can use one (or more) of the quick buttons for easy accesss.

Getting to your favourite station via the ATV is much too fiddly.

 

As for the wifi dongle - never used it....my BV’s are hardwired 😉

 

MM

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madskp replied on Fri, Sep 14 2018 3:44 PM
Hello Oliver

It looks like you placed the antenna above one of the fixing points and strapped it to the fixing point. I think that the problem may be that the fixing point is a little higher than the rest of the surface thus making it to thick to fit.

On my V1 i have secured the antenna by strapping the wire to the fixing point and fit the antenna in between some of the other cables in the compartment. That said the plastic cover is not secured very good and you have to make your cable organization very tidy to make sure it stays on
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MM, I think I will follow your suggestion, Netradio is selected via the Radio button. 

This is leading me to another question: is it possible to remap the Beo4 A.MEM button with TuneIn instead of Deezer? If yes, would you plea provide a short how to? 

madskp: I have now placed the ATV on the left side and the antenna on the right side of the channel but the cover is still not properly closing the compartment. 

I am now assuming it is a cable management issue. I will try to get a shorter HDMI cable hoping it will help to better route the wires while reducing the volume. 

I take the chance to share my opinion about some flaws I have found on the V1. 

Please consider my notes with a grain of salt as I am a newbie, this is my first B&O product. Well, BeoPlay I should say. 

  1. The USB port is not enabled for recording. 
  2. Time to time the YouTube app is crashing. Ok, I also have the ATV but having YouTube integrated in the tv is still convenient. This tv has been discontinued in 2015 and the latest software update is dated 2017. If I am not wrong the current BV range has dropped the V1 OS and it has been replaced with Tizen. From what I have read in this forum, B&O has also dismantled the tv team in charge of tv/OS development, therefore I am not expecting further updates for addressing the issues. I am sure the B&O management had its own reasons to do so but from a customer perspective this is negatively affecting the user experience. I assume UE and product support are highly ranked by the B&O reference market. 
  3. There is no DVB-T2 HEVC enabled tuner. By 2022 Italy will switch to this standardisation and all the non-conforming TVs, such as this one, will need an additional external box. I understand the V1 was developed before 2012, so this shortcoming is partially excused. 
  4. The WiFi might have been better integrated instead of having an antenna as an extra piece to be hidden in the rear channel. Again, this tv was developed before 2012, however this is a premium product marketed at a much higher price (2.900,00 Euro when new) compared to the high range of Sony, Panasonic, LG etc. 

I am far from being unhappy of the V1, this is mostly considered as the B&O “ugly duck” but I still see it as a wonderfully designed set. 

The picture is very good when the Image is set to Movie (superbly deep blacks for an LCD display), the sound is great and the Beo4 is a superb remote control, I love it. 

On the flip side I am still wondering if I’d buy another one in the future. 

Some of the items I have listed above, such as the lack of product support due to the dismantle of the B&O tv team, might be roadblocks for my next buy as for the price the B&O products command, I am less keen to accept issues while my level of expectation is higher than what I would expect from the most common and lower positioned competitors. 

Cheers. 

 

Olivier

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madskp replied on Sun, Sep 23 2018 5:01 AM
Hello Oliver

You may have misunderstood me. Its not about placing it left or right but next to one of the fixing point instead of above it. I am attaching a picture from my own installation and hope it will clarify.

Regarding this wifi antenna solution. Most of the tv cabinet is made of steel making it impossible for wifi signals to go through. I think B&O made this antenna design in ordet to make it possible to place the antenna outside the TV if reception is bad.

USB recording was newer on the V1 as recordin to an internal disc was one of the “premium” options on the more expensive Beovision 11.

As for smart TV functionallity it was not even on the TV at first but came as an update within the first year or so. The youtube app is not the best compared to other options, but it is still working on this 2012 TV in a world where smart tv’s loose functionallity after few years of use.

Updates. No dont expect it. I think the only thing could be updates to ensure multiroom comptability.

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Olivier,

To add to madskp’s advice, if you download the user manuals from the BeoPlay website, you will notice that the recommended (internal) position for the wi-fi antenna differs between the V1-40 and the V1-32. But what they agree on is that you will get better reception by placing it outside of the cabinet.

Having said all that, I’m of the same opinion as MM: the best connection method is hard-wired Ethernet, if you can accommodate it. This will give the most reliable streaming results, all else being equal.

And if you can put all your content onto a small, efficient USB HD, then you finally have a purpose for that USB socket!Big Smile

Lawrence
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John replied on Mon, Sep 24 2018 3:48 AM

OlivierC:

I am far from being unhappy of the V1, this is mostly considered as the B&O “ugly duck” but I still see it as a wonderfully designed set. 

The picture is very good when the Image is set to Movie (superbly deep blacks for an LCD display), the sound is great and the Beo4 is a superb remote control, I love it. 

On the flip side I am still wondering if I’d buy another one in the future. 

Some of the items I have listed above, such as the lack of product support due to the dismantle of the B&O tv team, might be roadblocks for my next buy as for the price the B&O products command, I am less keen to accept issues while my level of expectation is higher than what I would expect from the most common and lower positioned competitors. 

Cheers. 

 

Olivier

 

Some of the more conservative B&O afficianados' demurred against the styling of the V1 series when it first came out, but then, it went on to win a Red Spot design award, and the cries of angst appeared to diminish somewhat given it's design 'approval'.

For your purposes, as regards Wifi connectivity, yes, later model sets from mainstream manufacturers will offer more.

However, apart from it's lovely picture quality, the V1 also has a superb inbuilt surround sound processor, AND fully active speaker array which can do double duty as a centre channel in a surround sound A/V role.

Put that same active speaker system together with one of B&O's subs, and you have a superb HiFi music system into the bargain.

it really is a remarkable set, and outstanding value for money when new; mine is now 5 /12 years old, and my only concern will be what to replace it with when it eventually dies, as the likes of the Horizon for example, whilst having the same processor, does not have as good a speaker array, and whilst the screen is 4k, does not have Dolby Vision, HDR10, and yet is 3 times the price of the V1-40 when new.

In my view, B&O really need to make another V1-40 - as in a very high value for money TV capable of acting as the centrepiece in a B&O music/AV system.  The Horizon is mostly there, but needs bigger screen options and Dolby Vision etc for the money being asked.

Cheers and enjoy your V1!

John

 

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OlivierC:

MM, I think I will follow your suggestion, Netradio is selected via the Radio button. 

This is leading me to another question: is it possible to remap the Beo4 A.MEM button with TuneIn instead of Deezer? If yes, would you plea provide a short how to? 

madskp: I have now placed the ATV on the left side and the antenna on the right side of the channel but the cover is still not properly closing the compartment. 

I am now assuming it is a cable management issue. I will try to get a shorter HDMI cable hoping it will help to better route the wires while reducing the volume. 

I take the chance to share my opinion about some flaws I have found on the V1. 

Please consider my notes with a grain of salt as I am a newbie, this is my first B&O product. Well, BeoPlay I should say. 

  1. The USB port is not enabled for recording. 
  2. Time to time the YouTube app is crashing. Ok, I also have the ATV but having YouTube integrated in the tv is still convenient. This tv has been discontinued in 2015 and the latest software update is dated 2017. If I am not wrong the current BV range has dropped the V1 OS and it has been replaced with Tizen. From what I have read in this forum, B&O has also dismantled the tv team in charge of tv/OS development, therefore I am not expecting further updates for addressing the issues. I am sure the B&O management had its own reasons to do so but from a customer perspective this is negatively affecting the user experience. I assume UE and product support are highly ranked by the B&O reference market. 
  3. There is no DVB-T2 HEVC enabled tuner. By 2022 Italy will switch to this standardisation and all the non-conforming TVs, such as this one, will need an additional external box. I understand the V1 was developed before 2012, so this shortcoming is partially excused. 
  4. The WiFi might have been better integrated instead of having an antenna as an extra piece to be hidden in the rear channel. Again, this tv was developed before 2012, however this is a premium product marketed at a much higher price (2.900,00 Euro when new) compared to the high range of Sony, Panasonic, LG etc. 

I am far from being unhappy of the V1, this is mostly considered as the B&O “ugly duck” but I still see it as a wonderfully designed set. 

The picture is very good when the Image is set to Movie (superbly deep blacks for an LCD display), the sound is great and the Beo4 is a superb remote control, I love it. 

On the flip side I am still wondering if I’d buy another one in the future. 

Some of the items I have listed above, such as the lack of product support due to the dismantle of the B&O tv team, might be roadblocks for my next buy as for the price the B&O products command, I am less keen to accept issues while my level of expectation is higher than what I would expect from the most common and lower positioned competitors. 

Cheers. 

Olivier

I love my V1-32, which I have in a secondary room.

If there had been a V1-55, I surely would have bought that for our living room.

 

To 2: Youtube isn’t crashing that much on my set. One thing I love is that you can choose the tv from within the Youtube app - as the receiver.

And that this even works when the tv is in stand-by.

To 3: Sure, there is no such DVB-t tuner there - wasn’t invented at that time.

If your set has an S-tuner built-in, this might help to get the channels you will miss....by 2022.

Note! In Germany the HEVC standart is already there - you are lucky, that you won’t have that problem untill 2022.

 

When you use the Beo4 (and have set the V1 for that), you can map the netradio to Radio.

Just remap the Deezer app to something else, or nothing in order to free that command.

You can even remove Deezer from the list of sources....if you want to.

 

Enjoy your V1 as is for now and for the next years.

When time comes, there will be other solutions - by 2022 we probably will be streaming tv programmes anyway.

The lack of 4K and HDR is no big deal with a 40” set - and SmartTV functions can easily be added....and PUC-controlled.

 

MM

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