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Jim Carr
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Jim Carr posted on Thu, Dec 14 2017 4:16 AM

Hello all and Merry Christmas!!

Looks like my MMC20EN cartridge is worn out. I tested it using a Hi-Fi News Analogue Test LP and it fails band 7,8 & 9 bias setting on side 1. It pass all tests when I first checked it about 6 months ago after a slight tweek of the cartridge in the tone arm.

I looked at the cart under a microscope and can see a flat spot on either side of the stylus that makes me think it is worn out.

I am wondering about getting it rebuilt or buying a used one off fleabay. I have heard a lot about Sound-Smith and came across Audio Origin (but never heard back from them after I sent an email) then there is Audio-Bay on fleabay that offers rebuild service.

I still have the original MMC6000 but the stylus fell off some time ago but I think it is rebuildable as well.

Decisions decisions!! Any help?

 

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chartz replied on Thu, Dec 14 2017 6:07 AM

Hi,

I have a Soundsmith and I’m happy with it. It sounds like a modern cartridge, not dull like those of yore.

The re-tips I have are a disappointment. None sounds as good as my SMMC20EN.

Jacques

Jim Carr
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So the SMMC20EN is a new cart they make and not a B&O re-build?

sonavor
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Right. The SMMC cartridges are a brand new cartridge, cantilever and stylus. 

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Peter replied on Fri, Dec 15 2017 7:22 AM

The SMMC cartridges are completely different - they use more modern magnets and are essentially hand built. They are not as perfect in appearance as the originals but have a performance far more typical of the modern sound rather than the slightly laid back sound of the originals. The SMMC20 range are the same as the SMMC1-5 range but are encased in an external case. There are reviews available on site.

Peter

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Dillen replied on Fri, Dec 15 2017 11:24 AM

It's a matter of taste.

I am an older generation, preferring the warmer sound from the time when pleasant sound was more important than nice
looking numbers on specs sheets.
I don't listen to numbers. I find the modern sound sterile and wearing on the ears, occasionally to the point of feeling relief when I turn it off.

I would prefer a retip'ed original over an SMMC any day.

Martin

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chartz replied on Fri, Dec 15 2017 12:26 PM
I have originals and replicas as well. And yes they sound completely different!

The new ones offer a sometimes glassy CD-like sound, as the older ones - MMC20CL, SP12... - are mellower.

Jacques

Jim Carr
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Thank you for your input. I appreciate reading about the difference in sounds it will help in my decision.

I am of the older generation as well as all of my equipment from my first turntable a Dual 1229 now running with a Shure M97xE, my Mac MR71 tuner on out to my B&O M70 and Sansui SP5500 speakers. All going through my newest piece a Accuphase E202 Integrated Amp I bought at the same time as my 4002 in 74. I'm also playing with my Crown SX824 and Teac 6010GSL to keep me busy.

I think I will go with a retip and keep everything of the same vintage (except the Shure) so now I need to decide on who to do it. Anyone use someone beside Sound Smith?

 

Thanks, Jim.

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Hi Jim,

Where did you send the email?

Here is my email audio.origin.uk@gmail.com

And here is the page on the website about cartridge repairs

http://www.audio-origin.co.uk/retipping-stylus.html


 

Best regards Alistair

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