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Jeff replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 2:09 PM

Razlaw:
Millemissen:

 

 

Maybe the content owners just don’t fancy joining the conversation here......in this hornet’s nest.

 

They are sure to be stung immediately.

 

Maybe they prefer spending their time watching and listening to their BV Eclipse ;-)

 

MM

 

 

 

 

So very true. While I am not an Eclipse owner, I am a very content B and O owner with multiple products. I stopped posting here sometime ago because any positive comment I made was attacked, or stung. Sometimes I would post a totally neutral fact/comment and people would twist into something it was not, so that they could attack me for being positive about B and O. I have no problem believing that content Eclipse owners choose not to post.

 

Wait, I thought you were lined up and chomping at the bit to order one through your "Pro Partner" locally. What happened?

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Sandyb replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 2:23 PM

If the Eclipse is the last BV, then that should be evidence enough.

Moreover, that they may be even thinking about this being the last BV may also be sufficient evidence.

But if actually confirmed as the last, then there will be little or no way to argue that they've done a good job, all things considered. A lot of the damage i feel was done by the Android TV's, which were much more troubled than the Eclipse. Look at AV reviews of the Sony TV's - many reviewers have trouble recommending the Sonys simply due to the Android OS. 

Some will put down B&O difficulties in the TV space as down to fast moving tech and standards. I'm not so sympathetic. The move to 4K and HDR, the move to higher audio formats for video, and requirement to integrate 3rd party services / apps onto the TV platform - all challenges no doubt, especially for a smaller player, but not in the end that insurmountable.

All these changes though have exposed both the decision to lose the video department, and exposed the poor software DNA - both B&O specific issues.

Let's hope they can rectify, not that signs point that way.

 

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phirstpro replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 3:09 PM

Jeff:

Millemissen:

Quite a lot Eclipse owners seem to be happy with their tv.

Please name me a tv, that - from an owerall point of view - comes near to a BV Eclipse.

MM

Well, my mother-in-law briefly had a Sanyo POS that was about as infuriating on updates and s/w issues as the Eclipse, but since by comparison it was almost free I guess that isn't exactly the same.

As for number who like/hate it, vs. perhaps the number of people who will come and rave in favor of it regardless of if it's working well or not, because they can't admit they bought a pig in a poke and are still desperately trying to put lipstick on said pig through the small hole in the poke, well, hard to know for sure but I have my opinions.

 

I am a very long term B&O owner and have owned many Beovision (who’s screens were not made by B&O) and Beolab products over the years plus several other B&O products.  I did buy a “pig a poke” to quote you, but it wasn’t the fantastic Eclipse.  It was in fact one of the last B&O Beovision products namely the BV 14.  After three replacement units and umpteen visits from the engineers I happily traded it in for the Eclipse.  Doing so has been a completely different experience to the BV14. It has not reported numerous “non faults”, it has not switched itself on in the middle of the night. Nor has it crashed out just because it felt like.

I, like many other owners (who are not members of this group) am quite delighted with the Eclipse. I don’t really care that it’s a ”compromise” and uses some of the best technology that a major developer and manufacturer can produce. In doing so it means I get a terrific picture and fabulous sound, especially when I hook up my wonderful B&O speakers and get seamless interaction all controlled by a single world leading remote. I can control my Sky Q, Apple TV and my Blue-ray player plus adjust all the various sound parameters without having to reach for another remote control. I have full control over Netflix and Amazon too.

I initially returned to this forum when I was experiencing problems with the BV 14 and I have been interested to follow the views of Eclipse owners. I have, however, realised that the majority of “comments” and posts are by people who do not own an Eclipse and seek every opportunity to criticise it (and their owners).  I really find it hard to determine how anyone who is unable to draw upon personal experience can make such bold statements and deride a product. I can only assume it’s some kind of jealousy thing.

I also think those who seek to promote Lowe products with some tenacity should desist in posting here and vent there feelings elsewhere. 

I am under no illusion that B&O have made mistakes in the past and has a turbulent future if it is to survive in the current marketplace. I have no doubt that the current management at B&O are also acutely aware of that. If a company is to survive it must change to meet the needs of many not just the few and that’s why collaboration with some of the top manufacturers is the smart thing to do.  I’m sure plenty (on this forum) would deride B&O if they made sub competitive screens again!   

Well that’s me done, I have expressed my views and will leave this forum in the near future as it does not, in my opinion, serve the true function of a forum.  It does not inform.  It does not support. It does not encourage or share positively.

I wish you well.

Phirstpro

 

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Razlaw replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 5:17 PM
Jeff:

Wait, I thought you were lined up and chomping at the bit to order one through your "Pro Partner" locally. What happened?

Jeff

Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!

I knew it would not take long for you to jump in and prove my points.

1. You had to sarcastically attack me for saying something that could be construed as positive about B and O.

2. You also proved my point that you and others who like to attack will read things into posts that are not there. At no time did I ever say I was buying an Eclipse or that I would buy it from a pro partner. I am very happy with my dealer.

But I know you are never one to let facts get in the way of you having yet another senseless temper tantrum.
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Stan replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 5:33 PM

I guess I have to step up and "desperately put lipstick on my pig": 

I love my Eclipse.  It sounds great.  It looks great (on and off).  Looks fantastic quietly swinging out from the wall when I turn it on (and swinging back when I turn it off).  While on, it gives the illusion of floating in mid-air.  No visible ugly boxes or even cables.  I can listen to it in other parts of the house (works great for baseball games), control everything with one remote (and a phone app).  My family loves it.  My kids (19 and 21) say it's the first B&O product that I've bought that is "easy to use" (I can understand their criticism of the BS5, but not the BV8 or BS9000, but that's their opinion).  100% would buy it again.

I was going to post pictures after the install was complete (took a while to get the wall painted), but decided why bother?  People will probably criticize my wall color or choice of lamp, and, or course, the TV.

I suppose I just outed myself as a fool to the vocal minority on this site so take that into consideration when considering my other comments Stick out tongue

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svinaik replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 6:09 PM

Stan

There is nothing wrong if you and few other Like the Eclipse just as there is nothing wrong in others calling it useless. We all vote with our money and that is all that matters. Problems happen when we take it personally as a judgement by others .

Enjoy your eclipse as I enjoy my Loewe 7 ( with BL 50) 

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Martin replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 6:12 PM

Hi, I will also join those who are positiv to Eclipse. I like my Eclipse very much. Both estecially and

function is the best tv since Beovision 7-55 mark2.

Best regards

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phirstpro replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 7:16 PM

svinaik:

Stan

There is nothing wrong if you and few other Like the Eclipse just as there is nothing wrong in others calling it useless. We all vote with our money and that is all that matters. Problems happen when we take it personally as a judgement by others .

Enjoy your eclipse as I enjoy my Loewe 7 ( with BL 50) 

Oh joy. There you go again. “Nothing wrong if you and a few other”. I would like to know where exactly you get your statistics from to enable you to make such a statement. Further more if you don’t (or can’t afford) to own one how on earth can you say with any authority that it’s useless?

finally, if your so content with your Loewe 7 (with BL 50) why are you posting on this forum anyway? 

Just saying!

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Razlaw replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 7:19 PM
phirstpro:

Oh joy. There you go again. “Nothing wrong if you and a few other”. I would like to know where exactly you get your statistics from to enable you to make such a statement. Further more if you don’t (or can’t afford) to own one how on earth can you say with any authority that it’s useless?

finally, if your so content with your Loewe 7 (with BL 50) why are you posting on this forum anyway?

Just saying!

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Fidse replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 7:38 PM
Where are the actual Eclipse owners, who have regretted their purchase?

I think they are hard to find....
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poodleboy replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 7:43 PM

As far as personal remarks, there are very few in 55 pages on this thread, though there are a lot of praises and complaints regarding the Eclipse and B&O strategy. As a small property developer I am used to the drama that happens making a nice building. Some of the complaints came from the very people who recently said they had no problems. One in particular had scathing comments regarding B&O and I am glad they kissed and made up. Others stated inside knowledge that dealers were unhappy with Eclipse and that B&O no longer had interest in the TV business.

I have never seen a comment insulting a person's choice of product or home decor. I actually got a chuckle from the hornet nest comment and it was pointed at me. 

I for one am always happy that people are happy (unless it is the American president; then I worry a little). That is an emotion and has nothing to do with the doings of a manufacturing corporation of any kind. My advanced training placed me in manufacturing until it went global, then 3rd world. Then I had to do what I had to do to survive, including changing country and carrying a hammer. B&O has done the same thing, but they don't seem to be as candor about it, and they sold their tools. 

If a poodle is starving, he will eat his own *** to survive. I guess sheep don't. 

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Sandyb replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 7:46 PM

not sure he said it was useless?

Take a deep breath everyone - its clearly not a pig of a TV, but its been divisive to an extent for well rehearsed lack of B&O feel reasons.

The Android TV's perhaps merit some derision, the Eclipse though is more of a curio vis a vis some of B&O's better BV's in the past.

I've said many times before that every high end TV comes with compromises these days - even with the Loewe, i'd give up the multi-room functionality i have now for example. And there are issues that require thought with high end OLED's from Sony (Android), Panasonic (no DV, limited OS), etc.

Perhaps there are too many boxes to tick to easily justify a TV of 4/5K or higher. While many would love the TV brands to just make a dumb TV with the latest panel tech and strong video processing, they simply aren't going to do that. The broader market and multiplicity of streaming sources points towards simpler setups of a smart TV and a sound bar. Perhaps in a couple of years when the TV / video standards settle down, someone will knock it out of the park with a killer TV.

**Side note, the thread on integrating Loewe with Beolabs was very useful and worthwhile to me, for the record. 

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svinaik replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 9:23 PM

phirstpro:
Oh joy. There you go again. “Nothing wrong if you and a few other”

Here you Go Again too... Smile See the anger is just an echo chamber... You get what you give. 

All I was saying was that instead of taking anyone's comments personally, let's just agree that there are 2 very strong camps who either believe in Eclipse or not. One thing this forum does prove is that we are all very passionate about B&O and I only wish that B&O was also as passionate about us, the customers, which I am have lost any confidence in.(at least from Beovision side) .

The reason I have been on this forum is simple, to exchange our ideas and inform each other. good and bad. Forum are not meant for any kind of Fan boys and hate boys personal dictates. 

On that note, BTW, is this forum your personal property and you can dictate whatever your wishes are

Chill out and you will love your Eclipse even more.....Let me know if you want to learn anything about B&O & Loewe combination as I had started that discussion and was totally productive.

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Mikipidia replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 9:36 PM
Fidse:

Where are the actual Eclipse owners, who have regretted their purchase?

I think they are hard to find....

Hi, right here Stick out tongue i regret buying it instead of a second hand bv11-55. Imho the eclipse is not a total shitshow but it’s not far away from it.

This is obvisouly judged by b&o standards, not the lg ones. However there are a lot of fixes/updates for oem lg c7’s that we don’t have on the eclipse.

MY BUTTONS...

My comments are about internal workings only as i do like the exterior. Also the picture itself is fine too. But yeah, there is a lack of actual quality for the price, but...

Well never mind, iam stuck with it now

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fu21 replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 9:40 PM

Finally, the Eclipse has addressed a major fundamental flaw. The board in the sound centre has been replaced. Apple 4kTv and high end 4K Blu Rayer players now can be used to their full potential. Apple TV 4K is set to 4K Dolby Vision 50 Hz and gone are intermittent snowstorm pictures. Instead switching to this mode shows a fabulous picture.

The Panasonic DP UB820 shows equally stunning views.

Yes its taken 9 months and yes their are other issues to resolve, but at least now the Audio Visual function of the TV can be fully appreciated.

Was it worth the wait?  IMO... yes

But these should have been resolved before general release.

But thats B&O and it hasn't changed in 25 years of my purchases.

But the picture and sound now put the Eclipse at the top of the tree ... even with its C7 screen!

 

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mbee replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 9:46 PM

The "problem" with the Eclipse is that it's just a marvelous B&O sound system (in fact it's like a BS Core, with DLNA, Airplay (2), Deezer, NL...)) glued to a standard LG TV, which means that you have B&O sound, great OLED image, but cheap interface without the iconic curtains...

We know this from day one, and people who bought the Eclipse were knowing that. So if this is ok for buyers, it will be ok for them for many years. And if it's not ok for you, there are other solutions. 

What is interesting is that finally B&O didn't cheat at any time, announcing features that are not on the product, or things that should work that doesn't in your product at home... Some people here say that the BV14 is the last true B&O TV : ok, it has the curtains, the iconic BV9/10/11 design and some glass... But with its Android OS, it's not working as it should!!! For once, the Eclipse is a stable product that works as advertised, so I don't see why buyer should regret to have bought it : I see more regret for people that bought a BV14 hoping it will display TV without bugs...

Personnaly I was also hoping there would be a "B&O interface skin" to the LG OS, but I'm quite sure that if I find a good deal on a new or used Eclipse, I could jump and replace my BV8 with it!

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phirstpro replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 10:07 PM

svinaik:

phirstpro:
Oh joy. There you go again. “Nothing wrong if you and a few other”

Here you Go Again too... Smile See the anger is just an echo chamber... You get what you give. 

All I was saying was that instead of taking anyone's comments personally, let's just agree that there are 2 very strong camps who either believe in Eclipse or not. One thing this forum does prove is that we are all very passionate about B&O and I only wish that B&O was also as passionate about us, the customers, which I am have lost any confidence in.(at least from Beovision side) .

The reason I have been on this forum is simple, to exchange our ideas and inform each other. good and bad. Forum are not meant for any kind of Fan boys and hate boys personal dictates. 

On that note, BTW, is this forum your personal property and you can dictate whatever your wishes are

Chill out and you will love your Eclipse even more.....Let me know if you want to learn anything about B&O & Loewe combination as I had started that discussion and was totally productive.

For your information I don’t take any comments posted on this forum personally, after all I didn’t make or sell the BV Eclipse I just own one. Neither do I own this forum and consequently do not, for one minute, expect to dictate my wishes. I am however entitled to politely share my views and contribute where I consider it to be constructive.  

I am however, a happy and chilled out owner unlike yourself it seems, by your own admission, have “lost any confidence” in BV products (sorry, was that to personal for you?).

I am also quite happy to get what I give as long as it’s based on fact and not fiction or phantasy.  It seems to me that I am not alone in my thinking about the direction this forum is currently being driven by the minority and I am appreciative of those who have also voiced their opinions.

BTW. Anger is such a negative thing.  It tends to trample all over constructive thinking and prohibits reasoned thought and consideration. It’s something I strive to avoid.

I wish you well my friend and really hope you are content with your life’s decisions. I know I am.

 

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Many thanks to those who - after all - took the plunge to post their sentiments on the BV Eclipse!

Seems that - after all - the bigger part of the buyers are happy with their tv purchase.

My dealer told me today, that they are selling quite well - and that people have stoppet to ask for the form-factor-tv’s BV10/11/14.

We may have different opinions - my only wish is, that those who critize the Eclipse/the concept of it, will do that after having (some kind of) personal experience with it.

That should seem fair!

 

The more I think about it, I may very well buy one........if and when my beloved Avant55/2014 will decide to say farewell (may it live long) , and the prize of a (preloved) 65” Eclipse will be within my financial reach.

Untill then I’ll admire the picture and sound quality of it, whenever I can.......and have time to get used to the missing curtains ;-)))

P.S. I fear (read: hope), that - by then - we will already see the new mLEDs/MicroLED- based tv’s.....and will start a new discussion.

 

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Sandyb replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 10:56 PM
Fair enough of course

For the record I have played with the Eclipse a fair few times, so any thoughts or critique expressed is not vapor ware. It is a different prospect to me than some previous and well regarded BV's.

Is it special enough to me to justify the cost? Not to me, but each to their own.
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svinaik replied on Mon, Jun 25 2018 11:30 PM

Just so that Fan boys do not think of us in the other camp as one dimensional.....Smile

 

Things I do like about Eclipse in that order.

1. Sound Bar (Nothing in the world can match up as pure TV sound). 

2. Design (Sound Bar at the bottom is cool). I would have preferred the sound bar length to be within TV dimensions but not a big deal. It is still beautiful.

3. OLED picture (This is not Eclipse unique feature but since I am on a positive trip about Eclipse, it deserves to be mentioned)

4. B&O Stand (It has always been my favorite). In fact I wanted the Avant so much just for the stand.

And I will mention nothing of what I do not like.... How about that...

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Jeff replied on Tue, Jun 26 2018 6:45 AM

Razlaw:
Jeff:

 

Wait, I thought you were lined up and chomping at the bit to order one through your "Pro Partner" locally. What happened?

 

Jeff

 

Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!

 

 

I knew it would not take long for you to jump in and prove my points.

 

1. You had to sarcastically attack me for saying something that could be construed as positive about B and O.

 

2. You also proved my point that you and others who like to attack will read things into posts that are not there. At no time did I ever say I was buying an Eclipse or that I would buy it from a pro partner. I am very happy with my dealer.

 

But I know you are never one to let facts get in the way of you having yet another senseless temper tantrum.

Wow, you took a simple question and turned it into a self absorbed, indignant, hissy fit, bless your little heart! You are pretty worthless to discus things with as all you want to do is try and put on a hair coat and whine about how no one takes you seriously. Well, say something deserving! I and most others find your bit tedious.

For example, more than a few months ago you were saying you definitely were going to buy an Eclipse, even gave a general time frame that's long passed. When it was mentioned that, given how fast B&O was dropping dealers in the US, you'd be lucky if he was still in business, to which you replied you had full confidence in the "pro partner" approach and would be buying from them if required.

Fast forward, and you fly off the handle when I ask you did you get one and how did pro partnering work out. You could have said, no, you haven't bought one either yet or ever and offered an explanation, maybe your Beovision whatever still looks good to you, maybe you don't want to spend the money, whatever, maybe you wanted to wait a bit and see if it got a new panel or to make sure some upgrades were in. But apparently sharing info is too much to ask. You could have take a few lines to state that your dealer is still around an apparently doing fine (which would be a Yay! moment given the pile of the slain dealers we've seen), or if you'd learned more about pro-partners.

Really, grow a sack of self confidence and just deal with it all, as it is you've become a whiner.

Jeff

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Fidse replied on Tue, Jun 26 2018 10:30 AM
Mikipedia:

Hi, right here i regret buying it instead of a second hand bv11-55. Imho the eclipse is not a total shitshow but it’s not far away from it.

This is obvisouly judged by b&o standards, not the lg ones. However there are a lot of fixes/updates for oem lg c7’s that we don’t have on the eclipse.

MY BUTTONS...

My comments are about internal workings only as i do like the exterior. Also the picture itself is fine too. But yeah, there is a lack of actual quality for the price, but...

Well never mind, iam stuck with it now New: Beolab 50's, Beolab 18's, Beovision eclipse.

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Well hi thereBig Smile

That’s one, i don’t think there are that many of you anyway...

As for the updates that are on the LG and not yet in the Eclipse, it really isn’t that many.

There is the Tecnicolor mode, and then there should be something with the videoprocessing.

As far as the Tecnicolor mode goes, i was also awaiting it eagerly. But i’ve gotten myself a C7 for the bedroom and I’m not that impressed.

I’ve calibrated my Eclipse and that makes the colours more acurate than the C7 in Tecnicolor mode anyway.

As for the processing, I’m having a hard time noticing a a difference, so you’re not really missing out on anything major here...

So Yeah, the missing mybuttons are still a downer, but when was the last time B&O released a tv with no lacks or flaws on the release? The original Avant? Big Smile
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Sandyb replied on Tue, Jun 26 2018 10:48 AM

For me the MyButtons are not insignificant as a broken functionality, and break the workflow / usability of a BV. Of course they may get fixed, but until then that judgement still applies.

Also not being able to select sources on screen, and only on the remote is odd, and the hybrid product becomes a little incoherent - it's clear that one has bought two separate things to a degree. It may be the inevitable future, in which case split them out and allow the customer to chose their screen.

In addition, the OS update gap may be small now, but may grow to the point of annoyance (possibly), so early to cast that aside as insignificant.

There will be a good deal of existing customers for whom the Eclipse is less of a BV than whatever they have, and like myself, voted with your feet  / wallets. And yes, some of us have spent time with the Eclipse, so our views are not just sniping from the sidelines.

The proof, if any exists, will be in their sales, and i'd read an exit from BV's by B&O post the Eclipse (as is suggested in 2019) as not a great sign of success.

Their track record has not been good recently, though my BV 12-65 was missing nothing and pretty flawless out of the box.

 

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svinaik replied on Tue, Jun 26 2018 11:25 AM

Fidse:
but when was the last time B&O released a tv with no lacks or flaws on the release? The original Avant? Big Smile

For me it was BV9-50. It was everything what makes a person aspire for B&O. Design, Integration, interface, Sound, Picture above anyone at that time and so on and so forth. 

I still have it and refuse to part with it even though my dealer was enticing me with some offers for my BV9 & BL5.

For me personally, I love the BV9+BL5 just as much as my Loewe 7+BL50. Of course, with time, Loewe + BL50 are way ahead in sound and quality but still there was that originality about BV9 & BL5. Perhaps we will never see that creativity again.

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Roger replied on Tue, Jun 26 2018 11:39 AM

BeoVision's have generally been working as intended when released - but this ended with the 12-65 and the Avant-75/85 mk1 (the Avant 55 mk1 had some issues, all mk2 Avant's came with the Android platform and some cut-cost solutions that made them far from flawless).

I do understand that technology moves so fast that B&O is heading in a direction where you can dock a generic LG screen. But, to me, B&O should provide more integrated solutions as there must be customers willing to pay for this type of excellence... A Toyota may be more reliable, standardized, designed to cost and field proven compared to an Aston Martin. But there still is a market for Aston Martin, even with AMG engines and MB infotainment.

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Sandyb replied on Tue, Jun 26 2018 11:49 AM

Indeed, and i wonder how the Aston customers of old have responded to that? Perhaps they are OK with it, as the reviews tend say that Aston have applied some of their signature to the bought in engine, which B&O haven't with the Eclipse. So while the new Vantage perhaps isn't a pure Aston, the work they have done with that engine is sufficient to make the Vantage as a whole appear coherent. Which is the oversight on the part of B&O with the Eclipse.

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Puncher replied on Tue, Jun 26 2018 1:05 PM

I have a genuine question - with the exception of the new plastic back, just how "stock" is the C7 TV used for the Eclipse?

For example - are B&O menus added as an overlay to the hmdi arc stream within the Soundcentre or are they in the TV firmware? 

Someone mentioned the other day that they can connect to the Eclipse using the LG phone app - are any of the missing features or updates available when accessed by app rather than B&O remote?

 

I ask because I want to know what eclipse functionality can actually still be achieved with a new sound centre design for use with a generic (or selected from a limited range) of 3rd party, off the shelf tv's using HDMI arc. etc

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poodleboy replied on Tue, Jun 26 2018 1:05 PM

Sandyb:

Indeed, and i wonder how the Aston customers of old have responded to that? Perhaps they are OK with it, as the reviews tend say that Aston have applied some of their signature to the bought in engine, which B&O haven't with the Eclipse. So while the new Vantage perhaps isn't a pure Aston, the work they have done with that engine is sufficient to make the Vantage as a whole appear coherent. Which is the oversight on the part of B&O with the Eclipse.

Respecting this is a thread about Eclipse we tread lightly, so I will acknowledge the BeoWorld survey proves the Eclipse is a great TV loved my the vast majority of owners and those who have experienced it enough to love it. B&O are so proud of it they have surrendered the TV business. I am sure they will explain that as Eclipse having served its role as development platform for a future range of outstanding soundbars possessing varying levels of built-in audio features, including multi-room. I think we all hope that this, BeoPlay, and Speakers will be a business that does well enough to stay in the tech and style conversation for many years. 

I trust B&O will honor their final TV customers with years of support and parts so they don't end up feeling like they donated their wallets to science. 

 

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Sandyb replied on Tue, Jun 26 2018 1:17 PM

Ha!

The Beoworld survey proves only that the Eclipse was divisive - anything beyond that is speculation, though like you i can't draw any positive reflections on it from any impending departure from the TV business.

No issue with the specs by and large, though i do have issues with how it was put together / lack of coherence. 

 

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Puncher:

I ask because I want to know what eclipse functionality can actually still be achieved with a new sound centre design for use with a generic (or selected from a limited range) of 3rd party, off the shelf tv's using HDMI arc. etc

Indeed this question has been asked before a while ago - and not answered.

Probably noone has had the possibility.....or the guts to make this experiment.

Maybe Fidse, who just wrote that he has a C7 in his bedroom, could do it ;-)))

As far as I know, it won’t work - but I can’t prove it.

This aside - it might be possible to make a ‘new Sound Center’ to use with any 3rd party tv (which has ARC etc....).

That exactly is, what is rumoured.......but we will still have to see how much ‘B&O functionallity’ will be left then.

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vlohjr1 replied on Tue, Jun 26 2018 1:30 PM

I normally don't post but I feel I should speak up.........

1.awesome TV

2. evolutionary (compared to new avant which already appears bulky, which I did have BTW)

3. unbelievable picture

4. brilliant sound

5. great connectivity (my dolby vision module to be replaced)

6. bug free (WISA stable now)

7. LG software easy to use

8. elegant remote

9. curtain replaced by BO logo on start up which is just as good.

10. works well with BO app

If the next step for BO is to have soundbars and generic OLEDs and custom stands, I will happily embrace it.

Life could not be better, watching England win  6-1 on Ecllipse 55 4k HDR BBC iplayer on a Sunday afternoon with surrounding BL18s.

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@vlohjr1

That should convince (almost) everyone ;-)

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Puncher replied on Tue, Jun 26 2018 1:44 PM

Millemissen:

Puncher:

I ask because I want to know what eclipse functionality can actually still be achieved with a new sound centre design for use with a generic (or selected from a limited range) of 3rd party, off the shelf tv's using HDMI arc. etc

Indeed this question has been asked before a while ago - and not answered.

Probably noone has had the possibility.....or the guts to make this experiment.

Maybe Fidse, who just wrote that he has a C7 in his bedroom, could do it ;-)))

As far as I know, it won’t work - but I can’t prove it.

This aside - it might be possible to make a ‘new Sound Center’ to use with any 3rd party tv (which has ARC etc....).

That exactly is, what is rumoured.......but we will still have to see how much ‘B&O functionallity’ will be left then.

MM

Just had a general internet mooch and it seems quite common for soundbars/receivers to overlay OSD/menus over passing  through hdmi video signals so having the b&o set up menus onscreen may not be a big deal.

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Puncher:

Just had a general internet mooch and it seems quite common for soundbars/receivers to overlay OSD/menus over passing  through hdmi video signals so having the b&o set up menus onscreen may not be a big deal.

Menus yes, that is not new - every AVR has been able to do that for ages.

But this will be about controlling the sources of the tv (tuner and apps) with a reasonable (read: B&O) remote - just as we are used to....

....even with the LG part of the Eclipse.

Noone will want to have to fiddle with menus, when he wants to use the tv - certainly not someone,

who is used to a B&O remote and the logic of its user interface.

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Sandyb replied on Tue, Jun 26 2018 2:05 PM

Surely any stand alone sound centre will be able to bring up a menu on screen - in the same way that AV receivers do.i.e as an overlay.

From my playing with the Eclipse, the B&O menus appear to be an overlay. There is no commonality with the LG webOS. That is similar to other brands too though - the smart platform looks one way, the settings menus look another. 

The bigger question re any future sound centre (to me) is whether it offers source routing (lots of HDMI pass though ports), or whether it just gets its audio via ARC from the TV. 

I believe the B&O menus on the Eclipse allow picture settings / speaker groups to be set per source - because it does the video pass through.

So i dont think a detached sound centre, if similarly equipped to the current, will be any less than the Eclipse when it comes to control.

The only difference i expect is that it won't come PUC equipped, and will rely on HDMI CEC, possibly with voice supplementing. That combo can be quite effective, much as i hate voice myself. And i know, i'm in the minority who believes that PUC will disappear from future video products - at least i wouldn't count on it.  Its not what i want to happen, its just the way they will go i think, with a non-trivial probability.

Both the new Sonos Beam, and the Alexa Cube use voice+CEC, and others will follow. Be interesting to see where the Phillips / B&W venture goes with respect to interconnectivity.

I suspect that come 2019, and any B&O sound centre, IR blasters will increasingly be seen as a thing of the past.

 

 

 

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svinaik replied on Tue, Jun 26 2018 2:26 PM

vlohjr1:
Life could not be better, watching England win  6-1 on Ecllipse 55 4k HDR BBC iplayer on a Sunday afternoon with surrounding BL18s.

It was truly a great game. I was fortunate to watch it on 77 inch and almost felt the emotions. OLED are such a blessing. It almost feels real.

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svinaik replied on Tue, Jun 26 2018 2:32 PM

Millemissen:
it might be possible to make a ‘new Sound Center’ to use with any 3rd party tv (which has ARC etc....).

If this is true, I am thrilled. Would love to add B&O Sound Center to my Loewe Set up. Loved the sound from B&O Sound Center from Eclipse and have been hoping against hope that B&O will offer their sound Center as stand alone offering. 

If you have any influence on them, please ask them to offer the rotating stand also in addition to the sound Center and then we can add whatever OLED screen fancies us.

We "haters" have been asking for this from day 1. 

 

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Aston has always been a cobble of Car bits wrapped-up in some fancy aluminium. 

Even the old V12 5995cc and V8 4700cc normally aspirated goes back to something which was not born pure blood Aston. 

Trick is to make it simple, beautiful, sophisticated and quintessentially un-fussy British. 

What I think most Aston Owners don't want is something that is identical to German, Japanese, Italia offerings. It is what they are not. We can put up without the latest tech (though faults are rare unless it is a known area of paint corrosion or the headlights fogging) and without the highest performance spec because nothing and i mean nothing makes you feel as special when your driving one. 

Sound familiar?

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Sandyb replied on Tue, Jun 26 2018 2:40 PM

Said as an owner / driver i suspect? In which case, kudos to you.

I have a very nice 911 GTS cab, it feels special to drive and entirely coherent in its design and operation.

Though i do think these luxury car makers will have their work cut out maintaining that special feeling as they transition to electric.....will be interesting to watch it play out, especially with Porsche close to releasing a full EV. 

Similar to B&O, will have to think longer and harder about whether the new Porsche EV will be worth the premium.

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svinaik:

Millemissen:
it might be possible to make a ‘new Sound Center’ to use with any 3rd party tv (which has ARC etc....).

If this is true, I am thrilled. Would love to add B&O Sound Center to my Loewe Set up. Loved the sound from B&O Sound Center from Eclipse and have been hoping against hope that B&O will offer their sound Center as stand alone offering. 

If you have any influence on them, please ask them to offer the rotating stand also in addition to the sound Center and then we can add whatever OLED screen fancies us.

We "haters" have been asking for this from day 1. 

 

I guess you noticed my ‘but’, which was important in this case!

If it was so easy, why didn’t they do that right away?

Why did they have to use ‘modified LG tv’s’ - and not just some from stock?

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