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Sandyb replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 10:55 AM
Ha! Forgive my pedantry! Too much time on my hands!

What to do with the extra 900 pounds eh..
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KMA:
Actually, thinking more about Eclipse, it's not a true BeoVision – at least not in the sense of what the name infers and has always inferred.

You can either have this/the Eclipse (and what comes next) from B&O....

....or you can have nothing/no tv from B&O anymore.

It is your choice and of course it - as always with B&O -  depends on what you are willing to pay.

Actually I was very pleased and surpriced by the feel (not to speak of the sound and of the picture) of this tv/the Eclipse.

If people are satisfied with a stock LG-tv and some kind of soundbar/speaker combination at a 'much lower price', so be it.

Either you take the BV Eclipse or you leave it - in my opinion it is the best, that one can expect from B&O these days.

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Duels replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 11:00 AM
Sandyb:

Ha! Forgive my pedantry! Too much time on my hands!

What to do with the extra 900 pounds eh..

You could buy a tv........Wink
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Sandyb replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 11:02 AM
That's the point though - neither being ideal choices.

Or a Sony - though at least with the Eclipse there's integration with B&O ecosystem

I don't quite get the "sell everything and move on" comments....if I did that, I'd end up in a worse place.

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moxxey replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 11:07 AM

Sandyb:
Ha! Forgive my pedantry! Too much time on my hands!

What to do with the extra 900 pounds eh..

I'm super-happy now! Might treat myself to a rebranded Samsung/BeoPlay E8 with the loose change.

I know a lot of people on here are trying to be really positive about the Eclipse and I'm sure it's a really decent television, but there's no way I'm finding an additional £7500 on top of the regular LG OLED 65" to justify it. 100% guarantee visitors would think I'm certified mental if they found out, B&O "magic" or not (and that price difference excludes the additional cost of the motorised stand).

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Michael replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 11:11 AM
Sandyb:

All very true - though the C7 isn't picture on glass, so the E7 might be a better comparison

But your broader point remains correct

The eclipse Does not have contrast glass. And the E7 I believe gave glass behind the panel. Not in front.
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KMA:

Actually, thinking more about Eclipse, it's not a true BeoVision – at least not in the sense of what the name infers and has always inferred.

There is nothing Beo in the Vision part of the TV, contrary to all previous BeoVisions.

 

No.

BeoVision 14, BeoVision Avant NG and BeoVision Horizon are all with vision parts from TP Vision (Philips). Ie. its the ones with Android TV.

You'll have to go back in time to BV11, Avant 1.gen. and V1 to find a TV with an inhouse made vision part from B&O.

  /Lars

 

 

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mcm replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 11:14 AM

I think B&O should also do a BeoSystem 5 that is the Eclipse "engine" (including a PUC that can control TVs as well, perhaps via HDMI CEC) but without the LG TV or the B&O soundbar. Then B&O can sell this BeoSystem bundled with Beolabs of your choice (including different choices for center speaker) and you can just "bring-your-own-panel" and freely choose between Sony, LG or whoever you prefer. 

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Michael replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 11:14 AM
Millemissen:

You can either have this/the Eclipse (and what comes next) from B&O....

....or you can have nothing/no tv from B&O anymore.

It is your choice and of course it - as always with B&O - depends on what you are willing to pay.

Actually I was very pleased and surpriced by the feel (not to speak of the sound and of the picture) of this tv/the Eclipse.

If people are satisfied with a stock LG-tv and some kind of soundbar/speaker combination at a 'much lower price', so be it.

Either you take the BV Eclipse or you leave it - in my opinion it is the best, that one can expect from B&O these days.

MM

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It's not news that "regular" TVs look good too but the interfaces are crap and look so bad. Not very well thought through. This is like putting mac design on a PC (hello HP) and trying to sell it like one. Designwise close but not in software.

I buy macs because they look great but mainly because they work great and has an interface I LOVE.

Can't say this for the eclipse and the price is as KMA wrote. 2500 fully equipped tv with a 6000 euro sound bar.

Makes no sense. I want the B&O experience!
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svinaik replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 11:17 AM

Folks

Story gets even more crazy in the US. LG E7 65 is $ 3995 only in the US and if you do not mind picking up an open box from the Sony Authorised dealer (absolutely unused TV), it crashed down to $ 2800 only. Hence the price differential becomes even more of an issue here in the US.

 

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Michael replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 11:23 AM

Also, the eclipse remote does not even have the mouse feature (wii like) that LG has on their sets. Which is what webOS, web and apps are designed for. 
As LG say in their ad for WebOS "You can use the remote controller like a mouse, so easy, isnt it convenient? It would have been so difficult without the magic remote control".

And the LG also has a small joystick on the back to easily control it. Gone on the Eclipse too. I am getting more and more upset by this product by the minute.. 

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BAND'OH!:

Emil Jensen:
Am I going to buy it after I saw it? no I am going for the cheap alternative for now and settle for the B7 in 65"

Seems like you have arrived at the same decision the rest of us have.

I will not either - simply because I haven't got the money for it.

But I certainly would not go for a 'cheaper' OLED, either.

It is the BV/OLED....or I will stick to my 'old' BeoVision for a while - unlike the 'rest of you'.

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mcm replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 11:32 AM

Millemissen <- I think you need to change your signature. With the Eclipse "a BV is exactly just an (ordinary) TV" with B&O sound and connectivity added on. Wink

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mcm replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 11:32 AM

** double post sorry **

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moxxey replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 11:34 AM

svinaik:

Story gets even more crazy in the US. LG E7 65 is $ 3995 only in the US and if you do not mind picking up an open box from the Sony Authorised dealer (absolutely unused TV), it crashed down to $ 2800 only. Hence the price differential becomes even more of an issue here in the US.

I wonder if you can buy the SoundCenter from a B&O dealer and slot in an LG E7? Big Smile

If so, I can't imagine the SoundCenter would be much more than $2500-3000.

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KMA replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 12:01 PM
Sandyb:

All very true - though the C7 isn't picture on glass, so the E7 might be a better comparison

But your broader point remains correct

In fact the LG on Eclipse isn't picture on glass either. It has the back plate material of C7, which is not glass. The E7 on the other hand is picture on glass: the panel is bonded to a glass backplate.

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Sandyb replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 12:06 PM
On a unrelated note, I'm told the Sony can't be wall mounted?!
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I imagine you can slot another TV on top that's for sure watching the video of the wall bracket but then you woudln't get the B&O Logo and perhaps the BR One.

An alternative would be a regular OLED and a BS35 as a TV sound bar. 

As B&O have partnered with LG to use the Web OS, to me that's just like the Android - it's just another brand .  So previously B&O partnered with Google to use Android TV and now with LG for WebOS.  Like you had to have a Google Store account for apps, you know have the LG Store for apps. 

From what I can tell there is one or two LG apps branded as LG apps, and they really aren't that important and i reckon they could be deleted (if you dont want to see the LG brand on screen).

From the video i watched, now you can see why the Sound Centre is wider than the TV - its so that it can house the bracket that supports the TV and the wall bracket on either the left or the right side. 

So for a long time many of us on this forum have said that B&O shouldn't do software, so here they haven't.  We also said that we want to have something with the latest specs, so they have done that.

I haven't seen the TV in the flesh yet, but my walk past the Melbourne store today i could see it from the outside, but i had to run to my PT session.

Perhaps like Bangle with BMW, this will bring newer customers to the brand, some people that may also be familiar with the way an LG TV works and there is no learning curve.  Granted the TV is priced high, so people will make their own choice about what this means to them.

Reading through the posts, many valid points indeed.  When i was reading that perhaps the TV wont sell well and B&O will have to re consider their pricing structure.  I immediately said to myself, "yeah right.  Every time i go in to the B&O store, they put up their prices again".  I don't think their pricing department really understand, supply and demand, marginal cost, etc.

In Australia now, as the franchise is no longer under B&O control, they charge you for international delivery - will see how much this TV really is gonna cost. 

For me, I'm not sure how , where to place peripherals.

I like the Netflix button actually, it makes it easier to access.  I watch a lot of Netflix.  That being said, it still would have been just as good to have it in the OLED display of the BR One with the Netflix logo (instead of just the source text) - perhaps that would have got them over the line.

From the rear of the TV it would be nice to have one colour instead of the black and the grey. 

I think it might look quite nice with Moxxeys suggestion of the black aluminium or the green.

For a lot of potential customers they wont know that it is an LG TV (perhaps) and consider it as a B&O TV licensed to use the LG Store for apps. But i think as the product is a collaboration, its best to call out in the manuals it is an LG TV.  Sure i would have preferred a different UI skin but i have never used the WebOS.

You can see why this department was disbanded after the mess of the Android platform and BV 14 et al. So maybe if the product is successful this will bring more money TV line.

Interesting times ahead , that's for sure. 

Will let you know what i think when i see it on the weekend. 

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Michael replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 12:11 PM
KMA:

In fact the LG on Eclipse isn't picture on glass either. It has the back plate material of C7, which is not glass. The E7 on the other hand is picture on glass: the panel is bonded to a glass backplate. KMA

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I can't say for sure if the E7 panel is covered by glass or just has glass around the edge as a styling. It says picture on glass so it can be a marketing pitch only.

Anyway it's clear that B&O choose a cheaper set - but it looks like the C-series was more convenient to easy adapt since it doesn't have the speaker bar from LG as the E-series do.

I'm not a fan of the plastic corners on the eclipse lg screen. And the fake/cheap metal back.
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Michael replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 12:13 PM
Aussie Michael:

I imagine you can slot another TV on top that's for sure watching the video of the wall bracket but then you woudln't get the B&O Logo and perhaps the BR One.

An alternative would be a regular OLED and a BS35 as a TV sound bar.

As B&O have partnered with LG to use the Web OS, to me that's just like the Android - it's just another brand . So previously B&O partnered with Google to use Android TV and now with LG for WebOS. Like you had to have a Google Store account for apps, you know have the LG Store for apps.

From what I can tell there is one or two LG apps branded as LG apps, and they really aren't that important and i reckon they could be deleted (if you dont want to see the LG brand on screen).

From the video i watched, now you can see why the Sound Centre is wider than the TV - its so that it can house the bracket that supports the TV and the wall bracket on either the left or the right side.

So for a long time many of us on this forum have said that B&O shouldn't do software, so here they haven't. We also said that we want to have something with the latest specs, so they have done that.

I haven't seen the TV in the flesh yet, but my walk past the Melbourne store today i could see it from the outside, but i had to run to my PT session.

Perhaps like Bangle with BMW, this will bring newer customers to the brand, some people that may also be familiar with the way an LG TV works and there is no learning curve. Granted the TV is priced high, so people will make their own choice about what this means to them.

Reading through the posts, many valid points indeed. When i was reading that perhaps the TV wont sell well and B&O will have to re consider their pricing structure. I immediately said to myself, "yeah right. Every time i go in to the B&O store, they put up their prices again". I don't think their pricing department really understand, supply and demand, marginal cost, etc.

In Australia now, as the franchise is no longer under B&O control, they charge you for international delivery - will see how much this TV really is gonna cost.

For me, I'm not sure how , where to place peripherals.

I like the Netflix button actually, it makes it easier to access. I watch a lot of Netflix. That being said, it still would have been just as good to have it in the OLED display of the BR One with the Netflix logo (instead of just the source text) - perhaps that would have got them over the line.

From the rear of the TV it would be nice to have one colour instead of the black and the grey.

I think it might look quite nice with Moxxeys suggestion of the black aluminium or the green.

For a lot of potential customers they wont know that it is an LG TV (perhaps) and consider it as a B&O TV licensed to use the LG Store for apps. But i think as the product is a collaboration, its best to call out in the manuals it is an LG TV. Sure i would have preferred a different UI skin but i have never used the WebOS.

You can see why this department was disbanded after the mess of the Android platform and BV 14 et al. So maybe if the product is successful this will bring more money TV line.

Interesting times ahead , that's for sure.

Will let you know what i think when i see it on the weekend.

Can't compare the Bs35 with the SoundCentre sound bar though because the SoundCentre has all the powelinks, puc and hdmi you need as well as sound processing and video switcher.

The BeoRemote could control a regular tv via the soundbar if the tv only needed to turn on and off. Since everything else is from the bar itself it would make sense.

Sound from the tv would be gathered like in the eclipse by hdmi arc (for the Netflix experience and tv channels etc).
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jvdl replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 12:16 PM

Aussie Michael:

I imagine you can slot another TV on top that's for sure watching the video of the wall bracket but then you woudln't get the B&O Logo and perhaps the BR One.

An alternative would be a regular OLED and a BS35 as a TV sound bar. 

As B&O have partnered with LG to use the Web OS, to me that's just like the Android - it's just another brand .  So previously B&O partnered with Google to use Android TV and now with LG for WebOS.  Like you had to have a Google Store account for apps, you know have the LG Store for apps. 

From what I can tell there is one or two LG apps branded as LG apps, and they really aren't that important and i reckon they could be deleted (if you dont want to see the LG brand on screen).

From the video i watched, now you can see why the Sound Centre is wider than the TV - its so that it can house the bracket that supports the TV and the wall bracket on either the left or the right side. 

So for a long time many of us on this forum have said that B&O shouldn't do software, so here they haven't.  We also said that we want to have something with the latest specs, so they have done that.

I haven't seen the TV in the flesh yet, but my walk past the Melbourne store today i could see it from the outside, but i had to run to my PT session.

Perhaps like Bangle with BMW, this will bring newer customers to the brand, some people that may also be familiar with the way an LG TV works and there is no learning curve.  Granted the TV is priced high, so people will make their own choice about what this means to them.

Reading through the posts, many valid points indeed.  When i was reading that perhaps the TV wont sell well and B&O will have to re consider their pricing structure.  I immediately said to myself, "yeah right.  Every time i go in to the B&O store, they put up their prices again".  I don't think their pricing department really understand, supply and demand, marginal cost, etc.

In Australia now, as the franchise is no longer under B&O control, they charge you for international delivery - will see how much this TV really is gonna cost. 

For me, I'm not sure how , where to place peripherals.

I like the Netflix button actually, it makes it easier to access.  I watch a lot of Netflix.  That being said, it still would have been just as good to have it in the OLED display of the BR One with the Netflix logo (instead of just the source text) - perhaps that would have got them over the line.

From the rear of the TV it would be nice to have one colour instead of the black and the grey. 

I think it might look quite nice with Moxxeys suggestion of the black aluminium or the green.

For a lot of potential customers they wont know that it is an LG TV (perhaps) and consider it as a B&O TV licensed to use the LG Store for apps. But i think as the product is a collaboration, its best to call out in the manuals it is an LG TV.  Sure i would have preferred a different UI skin but i have never used the WebOS.

You can see why this department was disbanded after the mess of the Android platform and BV 14 et al. So maybe if the product is successful this will bring more money TV line.

Interesting times ahead , that's for sure. 

Will let you know what i think when i see it on the weekend. 

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BenSA replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 12:18 PM

Be nice to hear more from people who have actually seen it. Need more hands on opinions

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Sandyb replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 12:20 PM
Just listened to the Sony - thought the sound while nice, was weak, very underpowered in fact.

Even allowing for the larger shop space, the fact that he had to turn it up to 85% of max volume to gain any appreciation told me a lot

Needs bolstering with additional speakers
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KMA replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 12:23 PM
moxxey:

Ironically, I remember people saying that B&O TVs were "rebadged Phillips" in the 90s, which made a few people laugh about the pricing (as they were much more expensive than a Phillips television). False as that was, as they weren't rebranded Philips TVs, B&O is realistically rebadging a LG and hoping most people don't notice the regular 65" LG is only £2999: http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and-home-entertainment/televisions/televisions/lg-oled65c7v-65-smart-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-oled-tv-10160558-pdt.html

So, if one can buy the LG panel right now for £2999, assuming I go for the basic wall mount, what do I get for the extra £8500 ?

Wow.

Indeed.

There is a difference between using just the panel (or tube, back in the day) from another manufacturer, and building a quality TV set around it, using your own proprietary (and superior) tech. That's what Sony, Loewe, Panasonic and Philips have done.

So the irony goes around: Philips OLEDs are by the same definition just LG displays with fancy ambilight Big Smile

I guess B&O has become too small a player in the TV business to build their own sets. On the other hand, Loewe does it, and they are not a mainstream brand either. Sony went all-in with their approach, but they are of course a big player.

Perhaps B&O took the fast & easy way forward, after BV14, Horizon and Avant NG with all their software (and production) issues.

Or perhaps they are going for quick & better profits, and milking us for the money, although it won't necessary be that quick money with Eclipse. Time will tell.

I'm still undecided and need to see & hear more about the future of Eclipse and "Beo"Visions in general. For what the Eclipse is, the price is too high for the actual or perceived added value. I'm not even perceiving it right now.

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KMA replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 12:28 PM
Millemissen:

Either you take the BV Eclipse or you leave it - in my opinion it is the best, that one can expect from B&O these days.

And therein lies the problem: true-to-heritage B&O prices without the heritage (in this case, one of their former competences).

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KMA replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 12:35 PM
Lars Ladingkaer:

No.

BeoVision 14, BeoVision Avant NG and BeoVision Horizon are all with vision parts from TP Vision (Philips). Ie. its the ones with Android TV.

You'll have to go back in time to BV11, Avant 1.gen. and V1 to find a TV with an inhouse made vision part from B&O.

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Ah, thanks for clarifying Smile

I know Android came with the TP Vision partnership, but I didn't know B&O also gave up their proprietary VisionClear technology at that point. I thought they integrated it with Android.

Well, my BV11 was indeed a true, problem free, joyful B&O experience, and I'm happy I got to enjoy it for a few years.

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PK replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 12:59 PM

I've not seen it in the fleash but in the pictures it really looks like a B&O TV. Like a mix between BV10 and BV7 Smile 

But the price? 11-16.000 USD?? A bit too much for a LG... It is clearly not aimed at "normal" people. 

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IA64 replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 1:00 PM

Out of curiosity, is anyone from B&O management reading this thread ? or it's just a " throw your opinion " and move on ? 

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Beoradio replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 1:00 PM

Hi Hiort,

 

 

I agree with you 100 %.

Yesterday I was invited at Bang & Olufsen Bremdal for the presentation of the Eclipse.

The 65"  has a blown all of us away.  What a fantastic sound this TV is producing. WOW !!!!!!!

It's so good, that you question yourself, if you need an extra set of Beolab speakers.

I was also very positive surprised about the quality of the picture.

The design is of course a personal taste. Nevertheless, I like it very much.

Although the alu speaker cover looks very nice, I would go for the brown/red fabric cover.

This color combines very well with a grey wall color.  A lot will depend on the interior design of the room where it will be placed.

As I said, this is my personal choice.

 

I can imagine that the design of the soundbar is a little surprising, but I'm very confident that it is going to be a success.

Just go back to the first impressions and comments on the A9.

In the beginning almost nobody had some positive comments on the A9 design.

Sometimes it takes time to get used to it.

 

My end conclusion is very positive.

 

Just wait and see.

 

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Duels replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 1:03 PM
I really like it a lot too. And the speaker cover options will enable buyers to make it fit their room and also decide how prominent the speaker will be. All good customisable stuff. It is however a bit too pricey for me.
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KMA replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 1:06 PM
IA64:

Out of curiosity, is anyone from B&O management reading this thread ? or it's just a " throw your opinion " and move on ?

I would hope B&O reads this thread and, possibly, takes some notes...

I mean, I'd really like that Regal Red speaker cover for the Christmas season, if I end up buying the Eclipse.

Hear me B&O? _Regal Red_

Big Smile

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Luke replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 1:12 PM

So, with the addition of the Netflix button, does this mean other TVs like Horizon will start supporting Netflix ? 

 

Is it possible we can still access Netflix without the ugly remote ? 

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IA64:

Out of curiosity, is anyone from B&O management reading this thread ? or it's just a " throw your opinion " and move on ? 

I am pretty sure that 'someone' from B&O is reading this thread.

But I am also sure, they won't tell you.

However, they also know that only very few of their costumers are reading/writing this/on Beoworld.

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Beoradio:

I can imagine that the design of the soundbar is a little surprising, but I'm very confident that it is going to be a success.

Just go back to the first impressions and comments on the A9.

In the beginning almost nobody had some positive comments on the A9 design.

Sometimes it takes time to get used to it.

Exactly - let us revisit this thread in two years time to see, what people here thought back then about the BV Eclipse.

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Sandyb replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 1:22 PM
Highly doubt it

The Horizon etc have their smart engine bought in, and while the communication has been muddy, it seems clear enough to me that it's as much down to Netflix, and their standards for Netflix certification - so if B&O chapter remote to include the Netflix button, I doubt the Horizon will get the app back

Thus has happened to other TV models from other brands as well

And for the Eclipse you can use a regular BR ONE BT, but that's either extra for the new old style remote, or if you have a spare then no cost
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Sandyb replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 1:34 PM
Have some sympathy - as I commented yesterday, it may well grow on some

By the time I left the store yesterday I thought it was kind of cool, whereas I didn't have much initial reaction (apart from it being better than the photos suggest). Admittedly it's no Bv11, but it's certainly distinctive!

And again, two things struck me when I saw the Sony this morning. It's not wall mountable (the Sony rep told me they are advising against, despite ability to do it, as they've had a load of stability issues with people who have gone down that route)

And the sound, while probably surprisingly good for a thin panel, was very underpowered to me. Obviously can be bolstered, but every TV comes with compromises!

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svinaik replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 1:38 PM

Millemissen:

Beoradio:

I can imagine that the design of the soundbar is a little surprising, but I'm very confident that it is going to be a success.

Just go back to the first impressions and comments on the A9.

In the beginning almost nobody had some positive comments on the A9 design.

Sometimes it takes time to get used to it.

Exactly - let us revisit this thread in two years time to see, what people here thought back then about the BV Eclipse.

MM

Design is not the core issue but the value proposition is.

I have yet to question the value proposition on a B&O product before Eclipse (At least the products that I bought, BL 50, BV9, BL5, A9 Beosound 5, etc. etc.). I do not think it is just the 'Design" that is under criticism but the "Value Proposition" which is being challenged. 

Give me Eclipse 65 with floor stand at $ 10,000, I will take it in a heartbeat and "Live with the design weaknesses" but I am not willing to do the same at $ 15,000. At this price point, one has to ask whether the added benefits are worth the asking premium when the most critical part of the TV, i.e. The picture quality, can be had at very low price.

In 2 years time, there may not be any Eclipse if the initial launch does not pan out well.

 

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Hiort replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 2:13 PM
BenSA:

Be nice to hear more from people who have actually seen it. Need more hands on opinions

I've seen it and listened to it, as I wrote in an earlier post. All posters that are bashing the Eclipse based on what you read need to hear and see it "live".

It's a super TV. It lacks some beosignature things like the curtain and menus, I agree.

Could it replace my BV11-46? Absolutely!

Will look stunning on wall mount.

It has all connectivity I need incl Multiroom.

 

 

 

 

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BenSA replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 2:15 PM

Hiort:
BenSA:

 

Be nice to hear more from people who have actually seen it. Need more hands on opinions

 

 

I've seen it and listened to it, as I wrote in an earlier post. All posters that are bashing the Eclipse based on what you read need to hear and see it "live".

 

It's a super TV. It lacks some beosignature things like the curtain and menus, I agree.

 

 

Could it replace my BV11-46? Absolutely!

 

Will look stunning on wall mount.

 

It has all connectivity I need incl Multiroom.

 

 

I'm all for criticism and debating, part of what this site is all about....but at least give it a chance...go and have a look and decide. 

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Duels replied on Thu, Aug 31 2017 2:16 PM
Hiort:

All posters that are bashing the Eclipse based on what you read need to hear and see it "live".

I couldn't agree more.

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