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@Stones 

Petros much know - he is one of the makers!

P.S. There is no PL-input on the BS Core, it is an output....

....just like on any other BeoSound.

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tph replied on Mon, Apr 10 2017 10:30 PM

Stones:
The idea of BeoSound Shape is upmixing a stereo signal to the true image band on the wall. This is done by BeoSound Core in which the upmixing algorithm is essential. For what use is then a two channel speaker output on PL or optical useful? BeoSound Essence provides the same sources as the Core and you don't have to pay for the upmixing. I regard PL and optical input to the Core much more useful. Then I could connect it to my BeoSound 9000.

According to this video, if I'm not mistaken, the upmixing itself is not done on the BeoSound Core, but the Core outputs regular stereo audio over the Toslink and then instructs each individual amplifier to apply the algorithm according to the specific positions of the speakers on the wall. Toslink is already saturated with two channels of uncompressed audio, so outputting a processed signal for each speaker over one (daisy-chained) Toslink connection is impossible.

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@tph

Exactly my understanding, too!

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Puncher replied on Tue, Apr 11 2017 10:51 AM

tph:

According to this video, if I'm not mistaken, the upmixing itself is not done on the BeoSound Core, but the Core outputs regular stereo audio over the Toslink and then instructs each individual amplifier to apply the algorithm according to the specific positions of the speakers on the wall. Toslink is already saturated with two channels of uncompressed audio, so outputting a processed signal for each speaker over one (daisy-chained) Toslink connection is impossible.

Makes a "boxed-up" core even more attractive as a separate product. Would probably sell better than the wall mounted version!

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How about a boxed BS Core in the coming BV's?

If they could make the ATV-box fit in to the BV11 etc, they surely could make that fit in - - if they would.

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Stan replied on Tue, Apr 11 2017 4:11 PM

Doesn't this make a "boxed up" BS Core essentially an Essence with a digital output?

Or are there other features I'm missing?

Stan

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You could also say, that it makes a A9 without the speakers!

Basicly the same 'sources' are working within all the new devices.

However, you can't replace the (boxed-up) BS Core with a (boxed-up) BS Essence.

The Core has other/different outputs and we don't know yet, how these can be managed (and in case of the DPL-out, how it can be used).

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Stan replied on Tue, Apr 11 2017 8:47 PM

Yes, I realize the Core is doing special magic while integrated within the Space, but I assumed "boxed up" meant it was "stand-alone" and not integrated with the Space.

Interesting you should mention the Essence being an A9 without a speaker - as this is exactly how I explained the Essence to the very junior sales associate who had never heard of it when I bought mine.

Stan

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CB replied on Mon, Apr 17 2017 5:17 PM

Seen in a restaurant of Binic (Brittany, France)

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AnalogPlanet:

Thanks Petros!

One more question: I anticipate 16-module Shape would be appropriate for my wall.

Would it be possible to start with 8: 4 speakers + amplifier + Core + 2 "blanks" and install additional 8 blanks already at the beginning? Then add extra 4 speakers at the later stage.

Also, when adding (potentially) speakers to existing Shape - would they need to be added in blocks of four or also one by one?

Regards, Roman

What you describe is possible. The easiest would be to start with the full 16-title setup, and have the exact shape you want. Then later you can change some of the times from being dampers to being speakers/amplifiers.

It is a bit harder (but possible) to starts with 8-10 tiles, and then add more later. Simply because half of the star-rail structure will already be installed on the wall, and then the rest needs to be appended (and further holes need to me made on the wall).

Speakers are added in pairs. Not as individuals.

 

 

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Stones:
Millemissen:

 

Thanks, Petros - so now we know

 

MM

 

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The idea of BeoSound Shape is upmixing a stereo signal to the true image band on the wall. This is done by BeoSound Core in which the upmixing algorithm is essential. For what use is then a two channel speaker output on PL or optical useful? BeoSound Essence provides the same sources as the Core and you don't have to pay for the upmixing. I regard PL and optical input to the Core much more useful. Then I could connect it to my BeoSound 9000.

The upmixing is not done by the BeoSound Core, but by the BeoSound Shape amplifiers. If you have a "small" setup with up to 4 speakers, you could skip the BeoSound Core and just connect your BeoSound 9000 via powerlink. The amplifier is "pre-configured" for the upmixing and distributing to 4 speakers. However, if you go to higher number of speakers / amplifiers, the BeoSound Core is used for passing the correct settings to the amplifiers. So, in that case (of more than 4 speakers) you would need a BeoSound Core, at least of initial configuration of the BeoSound Shape and assignment of roles to the different speakers / amplifiers, based on your individual shape.

 

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elephant replied on Tue, Apr 18 2017 10:06 AM
CB:

Seen in a restaurant of Binic (Brittany, France)

Wow that was quick

Or are they just hexagons ?

i.e. Not BeoSound Shape(s) !

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CB replied on Tue, Apr 18 2017 10:49 AM
No, it's only embellishment (the hexagons are bigger than B&O Shapes)

But it was intriguing Smile
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Rick74 replied on Tue, May 30 2017 7:14 PM

What Hi-Fi hands-on review

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Rick74:

What Hi-Fi hands-on review

Now that is a well written review from an AV Magazine!!!

Karel.

 

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elephant replied on Thu, Jun 1 2017 12:47 PM
Coming to Melbourne !

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petrosbeli replied on Mon, Jun 12 2017 10:24 AM

Who wants to get a preview of the BeoSound Shape on-line configuration tool? :)

www.bang-olufsen.com/shape-configurator

 

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beojeff replied on Mon, Jun 12 2017 1:16 PM
Nice! I love how it calculates the price. Unless I made mistakes in configuring, I calculated the following:

Kvadrat adds a premium of 120 Euros.

Adding a damper (without Kvadrat) adds 250 Euros.

Adding a speaker (without Kvadrat) adds 460 Euros.
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beojeff replied on Mon, Jun 12 2017 6:50 PM

I'm getting different price results with different configurations that might not be as straightforward as the price per unit. I'm seeing the cost increase being the same on some for adding one damper as well as adding 2 dampers.

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This is because dampers (and speakers) are sold in pairs. There are two pcs per box. This is why if you have the same price in the case of an odd number

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beojeff replied on Mon, Jun 12 2017 7:45 PM
petrosbeli:

This is because dampers (and speakers) are sold in pairs. There are two pcs per box. This is why if you have the same price in the case of an odd number

That makes sense. Any idea on the price for replacement covers - for both regular and for Kvadrat? It would be interesting to see what the cost would be for "redecorating" later. I'm sure there will be seasonal colors added in the future. I would like to see a light blue and a red.
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BlazT replied on Mon, Aug 14 2017 12:29 PM

I understand that all the hype is around BL50 but the Shape is also new product.

Did your dealer already got it? Did anybody see the BS Shape, hear it, touch it,...? Any comments, thoughts,...

thanks!

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The BS Shaape was presented (to the press) at different locations - not launched yet.

In Denmark we will be able to see/hear it soon:

http://www.beoherning.dk/produkter/hoejttalere/beosound-shape

Whether it will be available at that time, I don't know.

Probably wise to tease it early - would not be good to launch two products at the same time.

Or three for that matter, if you count in the BV Eclipse.

MM

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Hiort replied on Mon, Aug 14 2017 2:12 PM
Millemissen:

The BS Shaape was presented (to the press) at different locations - not launched yet.

In Denmark we will be able to see/hear it soon:

http://www.beoherning.dk/produkter/hoejttalere/beosound-shape

Whether it will be available at that time, I don't know.

Probably wise to tease it early - would not be good to launch two products at the same time.

Or three for that matter, if you count in the BV Eclipse.

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

The Fredriksberg store in Copenhagen have a 20 tile installation of Shape. I will be in Copenhagen next Monday and will pay them a visit.Smile

 

 

 

 

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BlazT replied on Mon, Aug 14 2017 3:41 PM

thanks guys. I hope it will be in shops asap.

I plan to purchase18 tiles structure but would really like to hear it first. I´m really curious about the "wall of sound" concept, how it sounds and how the instruments are positioned.

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Sandyb replied on Mon, Aug 14 2017 4:34 PM

the press reception, limited though it was, seemed fairly enthusiastic - i wonder how the AV guys will review it, especially when its described by B&O themselves as more for background listening....

 

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Hiort replied on Mon, Aug 21 2017 12:56 PM
I spent some time today listening to the Shape in the very nice Fredriksberg store in Copenhagen.

It was a 12 speaker tile setup with Core and "dummy" tiles making up a total of 20.

Visually it's really as cool IRL as on photos.

The three dimensional illusion you get by the shapes is really cool. A few of the tiles had Kvadrat fabric and that sure gave a nice finish.

I was really impressed by the sound.

It was detailed and had a good "bottom". The 12 tiles really gave that "band on the wall" feeling mentioned in the marketing.

You really could not tell that this was not traditional "stereo" soundstage.

Again, it sounded much better than I ever could imagine.

However, a 12 tile setup would cost close to 100K Danish.

Wonder if a smaller setup of like 4 tiles, would provide similar impressive sound.

 

 

 

 

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Interesting Hiort. I am also interested in how a smaller set up will sound. I am thinking of it for a modest room, figure I can always grow the set up in time if needed.

As discussed on other thread. How did the Core behave? Did you have chance to have much of a play?

Thanks for posting
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Hiort replied on Mon, Aug 21 2017 9:51 PM
Stevegee:

Interesting Hiort. I am also interested in how a smaller set up will sound. I am thinking of it for a modest room, figure I can always grow the set up in time if needed.

As discussed on other thread. How did the Core behave? Did you have chance to have much of a play?

Thanks for posting

No, I did not play around much. As of today

e.g AirPlay and Google cast was the only option as I understood it. IR support for the remote will follow.

 

 

 

 

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Ammier replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 8:20 AM

I heard these yesterday in Oslo and was left really impressed. It was a 4 speaker setup. I own some Beolab 20s but with a 3 year old and a newborn maintaining a secure perimeter around them is becoming exhausting. We are moving into a new house next year so I am thinking to change.

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Good to hear

I was at a local dealer today just having a chat and catch up

After trying loads of speakers and ending up with my AMAZING Penta3 which are relentless I am not sure I have have the floor space for them in my new house.

Interested to hear them and compare with the Penta3

Four speakers in an 8 setup should in essence match one Penta3

Concerned though as I beolab 12-3 years ago on beauty and they didn't cut it.

Looking forward to some reviews on sound

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tigerisak replied on Thu, Jan 4 2018 11:58 AM

Got my Beosound Shape today and it sounds amazing. Only question is when it will be able to work with the Beoremote One?

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CB replied on Thu, Jan 4 2018 4:57 PM
Pics !

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BillC replied on Fri, Jan 5 2018 12:49 AM
Very excited to about this product. Does anyone know if you can turn off the sound field processing? I’d love to have this on my ceiling for Dolby Atmos and would want the left right separation kept instead of whole wall sound field.

Alternative would be to buy two sets but that would double the cost Sad
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CB:
Pics !

 

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beolion replied on Fri, Jan 5 2018 8:35 AM
Congrats with it, it looks beautiful on your wall!

I still have not heard the system in real, but both my wife and I like the concept of this music system. Actually. The more we see it, the better we like it, it kind of grows on us.

So, to B&O from us: Yes - thumbs up

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CB replied on Fri, Jan 5 2018 10:48 AM

From which catalog is that photo? Wink

Very neat, congrats !

beolion:
... I like the concept of this music system. Actually. The more we see it, the better we like it, it kind of grows on us.

Same here.

I wrote about my listening experience here

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Opman replied on Fri, Jan 5 2018 2:30 PM

BillC:
Very excited to about this product. Does anyone know if you can turn off the sound field processing? I’d love to have this on my ceiling for Dolby Atmos and would want the left right separation kept instead of whole wall sound field.

 

Alternative would be to buy two sets but that would double the cost Sad

Hi

It is not possible to install the BeoSound Shape on the ceiling or even on an inclined wall. The amplifiers run quiet hot and they requires air circulation to cool them. When a Shape is designed, the amps are always positioned in the lowest tiles to provide air circulation.

Regards

Opman

 

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BillC replied on Sun, Jan 7 2018 1:37 AM
Thanks for the heads up Opman

Sad My only last hope would be to feed the speakers via separate amps or putting the amp tile on another patch on a side wall but then it’s destroy the whole visual of the rig.

Back to the drawing board Sad???
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CB replied on Sun, Jan 7 2018 9:47 AM

BillC:
I’d love to have this on my ceiling

BillC:
Thanks for the heads up

Highly appropriate saying Laughing

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