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jowus Posted: Sat, Feb 25 2017 7:39 PM
Ladies Gentlemen, don't we all need BeoSystem 5 with Atmos, 4K and all the new High Tech Receiver as to offer? I think, is about time we voice our opinion to our Beloved B&O new CEO. Please, bring BeoSystem 5 Back!
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If they do a BS5, then that will scavange sales from the Beovisions.

I think they should do both
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Mark-N replied on Sun, Feb 26 2017 2:54 AM

Barry Santini:
If they do a BS5, then that will scavange sales from the Beovisions.

 

While I am sure this is true,and probably why there is a rumor that the BeoSystem ends with "4".  I would definately like the 4K "5" as I expect that the BeoSystem 5 would have a longer life than the TV.  I'd rather spend about $2-3000 for a new TV every 5 years or so, and I am sure I would be happy with the sound of the BeoSystem 5 for the long run.  It will be inevitable that I will buy a 4K TV in the near future, but I will need to figure out the best way to integrate the BeoSystem 4 into it.  The Oppo 4K player has two HDMI outputs which would work fine, but what about another 4K source like a future Apple TV?

I hope the rumor is not true about no BeoSystem 5!

 

 

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It is rather simple.

In the future (near future) B&O will use the video engine of the LG platform.

(That is the meaning of cooperating with LG).

Maybe they will/can add this or that to this engine, but it will not be an engine like in a BeoSystem as before.

The audio part/the audio engine will - I suppose - be further developed.

In what way is not clear - since we have no details, yet.

Whether this will be as an integrated part of' the tv or as something more standalone with integrated speakers or....

Well, we don't know - several options there I suppose!

Therefore there will be no BSys5 as a direct successor of the previous BeoSystems.

MM

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BeoSystem 3 & 4 were there when then B&O had dedicated screens in their gamma... Unfortunately there are no separate screens... So I guess that a new BeoSystem won't come out...

 

Karel.

 

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jowus replied on Sun, Feb 26 2017 9:46 PM
Hi Mark, I hope not, I see no reason why they rather put it a TV than having it separate Receiver. When I started buying B&O, I tried a whole lot of receivers with it until I tried 7000 with Pentas and BeoSound 9000 that's when I decided I'll never use BeoLabs with other Receivers. The cost of the cables were even another thing. Most of us are willing to spend on Beosystems for our Speakers so Please don't leave us behind!
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Mark-N replied on Sun, Feb 26 2017 10:36 PM

kuyttendaele:

BeoSystem 3 & 4 were there when then B&O had dedicated screens in their gamma... Unfortunately there are no separate screens... So I guess that a new BeoSystem won't come out...

 

Karel.

 

I was under the impression that the BeoSystems were also available to those that had projection TV's.  Did B&O sell those at one time?

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Sal replied on Sun, Feb 26 2017 11:54 PM

Mark-N:
I was under the impression that the BeoSystems were also available to those that had projection TV's.  Did B&O sell those at one time?

I don't think B&O ever sold B&O branded projectors, but I believe dealers recommended and installed non B&O projectors when installing full home theaters for customers -- powered by Beosystems.

I am saddened that the standalone Beosystems are going the way of the Dodo.

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beojeff replied on Mon, Feb 27 2017 4:52 AM

For large screen wall installations, home theaters, complete surround sound, and/or projectors, a separate BeoSystem is a must. I can't imagine running all of those cables through a wall! This is a very different need than those who want just a simple, integrated tv.

My wish would be that B&O would focus more on a BeoSystem that passed through the 4K without video processing other than adding the menu overlay. Video processing has never been one of B&O's strengths. Some of us in the US might remember the disaster of the AV7000. The AV7000 was the only way to integrate B&O speakers as surround sound to a TV at the time. However, the video was horribly over-processed and looked unnatural.

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Lareny replied on Mon, Oct 28 2019 11:58 PM

It would be nice to think they would consider a Beosystem 5, but it seems their new Italian CEO is focused on play and a younger less discerning audience than on high end quality and their "old" loyal customer base.

Given that the TV's (and the new Harmony is no exception) are based around LG displays, maybe B&O should abandon TV's (rumours are they may) and develop a stylish AV processor around the Beosound5/Beomaster5, call it Beosystem 5, and give it all the features we want such as high end audio via wifi or cable such as the CORE capacity (Deezer Flac etc), video processing hat embraces 4K and 8K, surround sound to both old wired speakers as well as new wireless speakers, etc etc.

It's a dream, but under current management I cannot see this happen.

In Australia they again changed distributor/agent without any warning and the result is most of the stores are shut down. I can see if they want to continue the Beoplay line of cheap products for the younger sound def population, but they have abandoned the basics of the company objective from the get go, Style and high end quality. A sad stage again in the B&O saga. Separate Beoplay from B&O and run them as two different business entities.

Someone please bring back all the things we miss, including availability of spare parts for the "old" quality speakers and Beosound systems. Recently they shifted spare parts to India and stopped carrying spares after 10 years, so you can guess what that results in.

I still run all my B&O products, i.e. speakers (1's, 2's, 8000. 6000, 5000, 4000, 5's, 2's etc) and Beosound 5, Beosund 5 Encore and my new CORE but fear that one day they will start to fail and I won't find parts. Anything besides that is sub par except maybe the Beolab 50's and 90's, but there is nothing (besides the CORE) to run them with high end quality. audio unless you start buying 3rd party processors.....

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Tassos replied on Tue, Oct 29 2019 6:54 AM

I have always been a B&O fun. I grew up in house where we had no other brand but B&O and I am still living in a house where there is no other brand. For the last 5 years I have been purchasing different products just to realize that there is no interest from B&O's part to keep me as a customer. Their speaker line and by speaker line I mean PROPER speaker line (17,18,19,20,50,90) covers many different usages, BUT the rest of the product line up is a JOKE!!! No proper audio system!!!!! B&O has no proper audio system and by proper audio system I mean a system not a black box hidden in cupboard! No proper A/V amp!!! If you want the A/V processing unit you need to buy a TV and in 7-10 years time that the TV you bought will be obsolete throw it to the bin, make new holes, new connections,etc etc and get a new one!!!! And they don't come cheap! The cheapest you can get it is around 4000 euros!!! The previous management decided to make beoplay and B&O the same brand. So you have a brand that produces the Beolab 90 and the P2!!!! The last years they "flooded" us with monophonic speakers and TVs which every three years they had to abandon!!!!

Anyway, I strongly believe that they should get their act together and focus on what loyal customers like myself and the rest of the people in this forum want. A proper audio system, and a proper TV. Audio system is easier as the technology and the way we listen and buy music doesn't change so fast. But a PROPER audio system not a system that if Deezer goes busted I will through away!

As far as the TV is concerned I strongly believe that they should just focus on what they are good at. Tweaking the sound and the image of a TV. So for me their is no other way at least for the present than an A/V system. An A/V processing unit that can handle all resolution/codecs/etc/etc. and offer the true experience of B&O. Great sound, great picture, integration with other products. In such a way they could simply let the rest of the TV manufacturers do the research work for them.

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Sandyb replied on Tue, Oct 29 2019 8:40 AM

I'd be very interested in what people think a proper audio system actually is/ (in a world of streaming)

A unit of some sort which can (a) handle multi channel video surround formats and (b) handle a broad range of music streaming sources would be useful.

But they are well past getting involved in the video processing part of the chain, and why should they now?

So I'm not sure what a proper TV is? The Eclipse and Harmony are the type of thing you'll get - some on the forum are ok with these part LG / part B&O offerings. Some would prefer buying just the audio part, with flexibility to add there own choice of 3rd party screen.  So even on this forum there is no consensus.

Anyway, I agree there are many existential questions. But the landscape has changed, so there is no going back to systems (be it audio or TV) in the way they used to be.

 

 

Tassos:

I have always been a B&O fun. I grew up in house where we had no other brand but B&O and I am still living in a house where there is no other brand. For the last 5 years I have been purchasing different products just to realize that there is no interest from B&O's part to keep me as a customer. Their speaker line and by speaker line I mean PROPER speaker line (17,18,19,20,50,90) covers many different usages, BUT the rest of the product line up is a JOKE!!! No proper audio system!!!!! B&O has no proper audio system and by proper audio system I mean a system not a black box hidden in cupboard! No proper A/V amp!!! If you want the A/V processing unit you need to buy a TV and in 7-10 years time that the TV you bought will be obsolete throw it to the bin, make new holes, new connections,etc etc and get a new one!!!! And they don't come cheap! The cheapest you can get it is around 4000 euros!!! The previous management decided to make beoplay and B&O the same brand. So you have a brand that produces the Beolab 90 and the P2!!!! The last years they "flooded" us with monophonic speakers and TVs which every three years they had to abandon!!!!

Anyway, I strongly believe that they should get their act together and focus on what loyal customers like myself and the rest of the people in this forum want. A proper audio system, and a proper TV. Audio system is easier as the technology and the way we listen and buy music doesn't change so fast. But a PROPER audio system not a system that if Deezer goes busted I will through away!

As far as the TV is concerned I strongly believe that they should just focus on what they are good at. Tweaking the sound and the image of a TV. So for me their is no other way at least for the present than an A/V system. An A/V processing unit that can handle all resolution/codecs/etc/etc. and offer the true experience of B&O. Great sound, great picture, integration with other products. In such a way they could simply let the rest of the TV manufacturers do the research work for them.

 

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chickenceo replied on Tue, Oct 29 2019 10:31 AM

It seems I must be mistaken but I thought I read somewhere that B&O is dropping all tv including the Eclipse in favour of LG TV? That is why there is a hope for a new all-integrated center channel?

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Sandyb replied on Tue, Oct 29 2019 10:43 AM

Thats pretty much correct yes.

We're moving past the era of B&O offering a range of TVs (BVs).

Although with the new boss, who knows if they decide to re-estabish some sort of range.

Either way, any BV's they offer will be part LG / 3rd party w.r.to panel / OS, and they'll just add the audio part.

 

 

chickenceo:

It seems I must be mistaken but I thought I read somewhere that B&O is dropping all tv including the Eclipse in favour of LG TV? That is why there is a hope for a new all-integrated center channel?

 

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I can’t agree more with what you stated here. I really like the sound of my different Beolabs but connecting these to third party gear has always been a problem. Yes I still have a Beocenter 2 somewhere in the basement but that’s in the meanwhile useless. Now that the Beovisions have become plainly unattractive to me and a proper AV Receiver is still missing I have started to look towards different brands. First the idea was to try to find a proper 3rd party AV receiver to integrate with my beolabs (5 and 3). I was thinking about a classic surround receiver based system. But that seems to be a nightmare in terms of connections (cables), daily operations (location behind TV wall) and the WAF. Then I looked for a Wisa based system but this is also very problematic! For instance, there are Wisa speakers but there is no Wisa AV receiver for the sound processing? Beolab 5s are not directly compatible with the B&O Wisa receivers, there is no good Wisa center speaker, again new cables, etc. So now I am hoping just as so many others here on the forum that B&O will come up with a proper solution for a classic/Wisa based surround sound system. If it turns out during the next months that B&O will not develop this, I will sell all my B&O speakers (yes these are aging as well but still valuable) and move on to a new system that ticks all the boxes. More than happy to invest but not in an overly expensive 77C9 called BV.
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@paullander

Did you already listen to the BV Harmony (what you call ‘77C9’)?

The price for the LG tv part is what you pay for an LG C9.

Would you think, that a ‘BeoSystem 5’ and a center speaker on par with your BL5’s and 3’s would cost.....and would you want to pay that price.

P.S. Not that I think that there will be a ‘BeoSystem 5’ (soon).

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Peter Pan replied on Thu, Oct 31 2019 9:23 AM

@ pauliander
Unless Kristian Tear is employed to close Bang & Olufsen, at some point we will see
an audio center with approx. the characteristics you describe. If not, B&O has no future.

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I am using 3rd party AV pre-amp. The cabling is messy but manageable IMO. I have thought about giving up B&O for Focal..... but no one really can beat the look of B&O, and I am sure I will miss it once I switched. LOL I am still hoping for new Beolab Center.

pauliander:
I can’t agree more with what you stated here. I really like the sound of my different Beolabs but connecting these to third party gear has always been a problem. Yes I still have a Beocenter 2 somewhere in the basement but that’s in the meanwhile useless. Now that the Beovisions have become plainly unattractive to me and a proper AV Receiver is still missing I have started to look towards different brands. First the idea was to try to find a proper 3rd party AV receiver to integrate with my beolabs (5 and 3). I was thinking about a classic surround receiver based system. But that seems to be a nightmare in terms of connections (cables), daily operations (location behind TV wall) and the WAF. Then I looked for a Wisa based system but this is also very problematic! For instance, there are Wisa speakers but there is no Wisa AV receiver for the sound processing? Beolab 5s are not directly compatible with the B&O Wisa receivers, there is no good Wisa center speaker, again new cables, etc. So now I am hoping just as so many others here on the forum that B&O will come up with a proper solution for a classic/Wisa based surround sound system. If it turns out during the next months that B&O will not develop this, I will sell all my B&O speakers (yes these are aging as well but still valuable) and move on to a new system that ticks all the boxes. More than happy to invest but not in an overly expensive 77C9 called BV.

 

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Sorry for my late reply. Yes I am willing to pay the B&O price for a B&O Wisa center speaker and a Beosystem 5. That’s because I know that the products will be of a high quality and will last for a long time. Unfortunately the lifespan of a TV is rather short these days. Not only because of screen evolution but also because of new technology for which a TV can offer a platform (e.g. IoT). The days that a TV can be used 15 years and more are long gone. That’s why in my view it makes no sense anymore to buy an expensive BV. That’s why I believe that sound needs to be separated from image. I agree with Peter Pan. A lot of people are waiting for a solution. B&O should better realise this.
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That’s why I believe that sound needs to be separated from image

Isn’t that what B&O does with the BV Harmony and the BS Stage?

Both use seperate (LG)tv’s.

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Nov 1 2019 6:12 PM
Millemissen:

‘ That’s why I believe that sound needs to be separated from image ’

Isn’t that what B&O does with the BV Harmony and the BS Stage?

Both use seperate (LG)tv’s.

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

Only up to a point

The Stage is limited and a stand-alone product, and using the Harmony means accepting a very specific design and form factor, and certain LG models.

So neither offer the flexibility being requested. But I suspect you knew that
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Who says the harmony will for ever only be LG compliant?

Plus it takes 3 sizes of screen(4 technically)

Plus if the already think any b&o center will last a long time, why is it not what you desire? As now finally after many years there is a cohesive design with bl18’s and bl50’s. So is it purely the lg bit you don’t like? Would it change your mind if the panasonic tvs would become harmony compliant?

I gues iam a little confused as to why an even more separated setup would be preferable as that would need more cable management and even loose you options such as motion etc.

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Of course I knew that - imo these costumers are simply asking too much....it won’t happen!

Don’t forget that B&O is a design driven company - what they ask for, is that B&O should merely be tech driven.

I guess most of those, who want ‘a BeoSystem 5 fo deal with on their own’, also mostly are those who want to re-use (keep on using) their current speaker setup.

How could B&O survive if that was the deal???

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Mikipidia:
Who says the harmony will for ever only be LG compliant?

I assume that it will be so.

After all they made a deal with LG.....the small B&O made a deal with the gigantic LG.

B&O is allowed to have a proprietary app running on the LG tv’s - which is absolutely nescessary for the integration as we see it in the Harmony and the Stage.

For that it is only fair, that B&O is limited to the LG tv’s - and this way generates sales of the tv’s that LG makes.

And after all - to go for LG as the partner was not a bad choice, I think.

 

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Nov 1 2019 7:41 PM
Millemissen:

Of course I knew that - imo these costumers are simply asking too much....it won’t happen!

Don’t forget that B&O is a design driven company - what they ask for, is that B&O should merely be tech driven.

I guess most of those, who want ‘a BeoSystem 5 fo deal with on their own’, also mostly are those who want to re-use (keep on using) their current speaker setup.

How could B&O survive if that was the deal???

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

Agree that wanting to use 15 year old speakers for another 15 years is unrealistic. But there are many with speakers 5 years old who feel a little restricted.

Anyway if something is coming, it’s certainly no time soon
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Sure they made a deal, but that’s not a for ever deal right? LG said it would atleast be supported for 2 years, i guess the operative word is “atleast”. And since it’s an app, just like with ios and android, why couldn’t they make and a webos and an android app?

Or since the sound bit is (e)arc, what if they moved the setup to the app on your phone?

Anyway, still doesn’t really answer my more main question in that, is the main bit that’s not liked about the harmony the LG bit? With the harmony already being upgradedable i don’t see the need for as much for a bs5 unless you really MUST have a different tv than an lg for some reason

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Nov 1 2019 8:35 PM
The Harmony design doesn’t suit everyone, in that it’s not great mounted being so bulky.

I also don’t love the design in a floor version. Looks good closed, don’t like the look open.

All very well you might say, but the alternative ((eclipse) is 5/10 design wise.

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@Sandyb

B&O can’t please everybody.

Can’t say whether the Harmony will grow on you, of course.

But most people need time to get used to the design of the B&O offerings - we have often seen things being scolded and after a while loved.

Looking forward to see the 65” in the flesh......might be more harmonious, not so dominating.

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Sandyb:

Agree that wanting to use 15 year old speakers for another 15 years is unrealistic. But there are many with speakers 5 years old who feel a little restricted.

Nothing against using older speaker as external speakers for a multichannel setup....I do that myself.

However, I guess it is the BV speaker/the speaker part, that comes with the Eclipse/Harmony, that is the problem - someone like Peter Pan don’t want it.........he wants to use his good old BL7-4 as a center speaker (along with his other external speakers).

Most costumers (and certainly the newcomers) want to buy a complete unit, something that works ‘out of the box’, something with excellent sound without necsessarily having to invest in a complete setup.

The Eclipse and the Harmony show that B&O does an outstanding job with the 3.0 built-in speakers........these also give them the possibility of being creative designwise.

Offering a BeoSystem 5 would end up in a pragmatic flatscreen solution with some B&O speakers connected.........not what I expect B&O to do - I want them to be creative designwise, I want them to surprice me.

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Sandyb replied on Sat, Nov 2 2019 6:49 AM

One can be sympathetic towards the design, but at the same time the form factor doesn't suit. That shouldn't be hard to understand.

As I said, it doesn't work well wall mounted, as it sticks out from the wall far too much, and when its open its far too tall (unless you really have a huge room with vaulted ceilings). 

They made simpler rectangles in the recent past that could disappear somewhat (be that the 10/11/14, 12 or Avant)

Not everyone who bought those were buying something with moving parts, or something so huge.

Of course I don't expect to be served something I both love and which works form factor wise (for my situation).  No one has a right to expect that.

As for most wanting a single integrated unit, difficult to generalise.

If they announced a BS5 centre speaker, I strongly expect the response (here or otherwise) would be "wow, this is great news", not "oh no, who wants this".  So your assertion about what most customers want doesn't pass the smell test I'm afraid.

 

 

 

Millemissen:

@Sandyb

B&O can’t please everybody.

Can’t say whether the Harmony will grow on you, of course.

But most people need time to get used to the design of the B&O offerings - we have often seen things being scolded and after a while loved.

Looking forward to see the 65” in the flesh......might be more harmonious, not so dominating.

MM

 

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Tassos replied on Sat, Nov 2 2019 10:58 AM

A Beosound Stage with the sound processing engine and connectivity (Powerlink sockets, surround decoding capabilities etc) of an Eclipse...this would be a Beosystem 5 I would buy.

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.....and which tv would you then use?

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OldJack replied on Sat, Nov 2 2019 3:22 PM

Millemissen:

.....and which tv would you then use?

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Well if B&O doesn’t deliver what its clients are asking for they will not survive. If the added value of a Beovision is the exceptional design of the TV I am sorry but then they are lost too. I am not impressed by a Harmony or an Eclipse.

A TV which really impresses me is the wallpaper Oled. Designwise it is very difficult to do better than that IMHO. Design villas and apartments deserve wall-mounted TVs. But do you have to pay double or triple the price? Most new large screen TVs of brands such as LG, Sony, Samsung, etc. are already very beautiful when wall mounted. And after 5 or 6 years you will want a new screen. Everybody knows this by now. And why wouldn’t B&O further develop its Wisa range of products and focus more on audio? They have a good reputation in audio to further build on...
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I don’t see it that way. The Wisa technology is very appealing because it is completely wireless and stable. Most clients of B&O still have wired speakers. I consider myself an example in point. Why would I stay with my currently aging Beolab 5 speakers. These are outstanding speakers but perhaps my needs have evolved making me to want to switch to a new system? For instance a Wisa based surround sound system of B&O. Yes they have already some beautiful speakers but not a complete system so I cannot move forward and actually buy a new set. I have a pair of Beolab 5 and 3 which I could resell at still reasonable prices. Other people with aging stuff may reason likewise. We are talking about new sales, not of simply reusing old speakers into eternity. And the Wisa transmitters and receivers B&O allow customers to adapt gradually towards a complete Wisa based system. So there is a new market for B&O to sell to of both current and new clients. But don’t scare them away with the BV. That‘s not working, that’s a deal breaker.
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pauliander:
But don’t scare them away with the BV. That‘s not working, that’s a deal breaker.

In short....we simply don’t agree on that.

MM

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The wallpaper one also doesn’t work without the massice soundbar hub down below and you can only mount that about max 90cm away from the screen. So unless you can hide that massive thing in a wall or something? Then a bs5 with a center speaker would make it awfully messy down there

New: Beovision Harmony, Beolab 50's, Beolab 18's, Beolab 17's, Beolab 3's, Beosound 9000 mk3, Beosound Stage & LG, Beosound 2, Beoplay M3, Beoplay A1, Beoplay H4 gen 2, Beoplay E8 3.0

Mikipedia on YouTube (finally Stick out tongue )

https://www.youtube.com/c/Mikipedia

Old: Beovision Eclipse, Beolab 1's, Beolab 2, Beovision 10-46, Overture 2300, beolab 8000's, Beolab 4000's, Beovision avant 32" etc. etc.

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Sandyb replied on Sun, Nov 3 2019 7:56 AM
Mikipidia:

The wallpaper one also doesn’t work without the massice soundbar hub down below and you can only mount that about max 90cm away from the screen. So unless you can hide that massive thing in a wall or something? Then a bs5 with a center speaker would make it awfully messy down there New: Beolab 50's, Beolab 18's, Beolab 17's, Beovision eclipse, Beosound 9000 mk3, Beosound 1 Bronze edition, Beoplay M3, Beoplay A1.

Mikipedia on YouTube (finally )

https://www.youtube.com/c/Mikipedia

Old: Beolab 1's, beolab 2, beovision 10-46, overture 2300, beolab 8000's, beolab 4000's, beovision avant 32" etc. etc.

A wallpaper version with a B&O sound part / connection box should be perfectly possible.

Does anyone think it wouldn’t be more popular than the Harmony / Eclipse?
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Peter Pan:

Whistle

 

Scary!

P.S. What is the BeoRemote One doing in that mix?

MM

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