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mgluba
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mgluba posted on Thu, Jan 5 2017 6:58 PM

Hi,

Looking for advice

I would like to buy the turntable for my set :

Beosound Moment

Beolab 20's

Can anyone suggest turntable make etc ..

 

Many Thanks

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Brigantinus
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Linn, Rega, ProJect, an refurbished beogram,...  The prizes are between 300€ and 10K€.

It's difficult to give you an advice without knowing the price range you are looking for. Do you wanna have an inbuild pre-amp and what kind of design do you like?

 

The question sounds a liitle bit like: "i wanna buy a new car, which one can you recommend?"   ;)

 

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dueno replied on Thu, Jan 5 2017 8:41 PM

Rega planar 3 with pre amp
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9 LEE replied on Thu, Jan 5 2017 10:29 PM

I was really impressed with my old Pro-ject RPM 6. I used it with my BeoLab 5's and a Pro-Ject Phono Box pre-amp.

I'm now using my Classic Audio restored 1967 Beogram 3000 (Thorens), so the Pro-Ject is on eBay!

For a 'clean install' you could go for a pre-amped B&O deck.  These are the BeoGram 3500, 4500, 6500 or 7000. You'll pay a premium for these though, and also bear in mind a worn stylus will significantly impact on the sound quality.  Popping a refurbed stylus in one of these decks instead of the original/old one can be akin to taking cotton wool out of your ears!!

Lee

 

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CB replied on Fri, Jan 6 2017 8:10 AM

Connecting A Turntable To Bang & Olufsen from Bang & Olufsen of Manchester

mgluba
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I was thinking to spend around 1k

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Friend of mine suggested 

Thorens TD520 or TD320

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Hi Lee,

 

How does the Project compare to Beogram 3000 ?

What cartridge have you  used in Project ?

 

Cheers

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Around 1K, i would buy a Pro-Ject or a Rega. Normally these two brands have the best "quality / cost balance".

 

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Jeff replied on Fri, Jan 6 2017 6:50 PM

Be aware that, no matter how good a table things like the Project and such are, and they are good tables, they are fully manual. You put the arm on the record yourself, and they do not pick up or stop at the end, so you have to do that too.

The Beograms were fully automatic tables. Which is why I went back to my BG3000 tangential after living with a very nice VPI HW19 setup years ago. The Beogram was much easier to use and live with at least to me.

Just something to consider before spending money on a turntable.

Jeff

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Brigantinus:

Around 1K, i would buy a Pro-Ject or a Rega. Normally these two brands have the best "quality / cost balance".

 

 

So should I forget about Beogram ?

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Jeff:

Be aware that, no matter how good a table things like the Project and such are, and they are good tables, they are fully manual. You put the arm on the record yourself, and they do not pick up or stop at the end, so you have to do that too.

The Beograms were fully automatic tables. Which is why I went back to my BG3000 tangential after living with a very nice VPI HW19 setup years ago. The Beogram was much easier to use and live with at least to me.

Just something to consider before spending money on a turntable.

Jeff how about sound quality ?

Does beogram still sound as good ?

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Jeff replied on Fri, Jan 6 2017 7:24 PM

Fortunately for me, my MMC2 cartridge.still works and still sounds very good. Different table/cartridge combos sound different, far more so than anything digital, but let's just say that when I went from a VPI with an ADC carbon fiber arm and a Sumiko Blue Point cartridge to the Beogram with the MMC2, I didn't feel it was a step down. Sounded different, but not clearly better or worse. Opinions will vary though on that. And the BG3000 wasn't one of the best B&O tables.

There are a few semi-auto tables out there now, but I've lost track of who makes what. Since I'm happy with my setup, and I seldom play LPs, I'm fine with it.

One thing to check on is whether or not the table you buy has adjustable anti-skating, that is easily adjusted by you. In order to make the tables more idiot proof, many of the lower end manual tables by Project and such come with cartridges pre-installed, and non adjustable anti-skating setup for that cartridge. If/when you want to go to a different cartridge...you will probably need to adjust anti-skating, especially if the cartridge tracks at a different force or has a different stylus profile (say, a contact line vs. elliptical). That would then require you send the table back to have anti-skating changed at the factory, or always use the same cartridge. Which, if they stop making it, leaves you up the creek in a way, at any rate a more difficult setup than you'd like.

At least there are places/people who make new B&O cartridges and/or rebuild them, so you can stretch the life of a Beogram even though B&O don't make any tables or cartridges themselves anymore.

Jeff

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I like the direction Jeff went. The Beograms with the later MMC cartridges are just superb daily players. I use mine daily, often used for greater than 8hrs at a time. The perfect start/stop with minimal fuss is great. The B&O video CB linked about using a pro-ject turntable and all fuss about insulating from vibration, to the point of removing the dust cover.

The Beograms' isolation from vibration is superb! Recently I had my floor repaired, pounding stomping etc, the Beogram 9000 10 feet away didn't miss a beat but I couldn't play a CD in the apartment due to skipping.

For the cost, I'd avoid the Beograms with built in RIAA preamps and go external, easily hidden from sight and gives you more options.

Once you decide on a style Beogram you like I'd go with a restored MMC2 or soundsmith SMMC3, both are phenomenal. No fuss about alignment or flimsy anti-skate weight hanging. Just plug in the cart and go. For years, the ultra low mass MMC cartridge is gentle on your records and far exceed the 300hour lifespan of a typical stylus.

Finding a great example of the turntable you want won't be hard but won't be as easy as buying off Amazon.

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i love beograms. I have one at my parents home: a beogram 7000 with a MMC2 cartridge. It's a wonderful turntable.

If i would buy a new one in the 1k range, i'd go for a Pro-Ject or Rega.

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