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dasun
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dasun posted on Sun, Nov 27 2016 10:55 AM

Hi all,

 

after extensively researching the possible problems of my B&O setup, I'm realizing, that one of the main issues is my wireless router. I am using a german brand called AVM Fritz Box 7360, which, according to german media, supposedly is the best router for private use. Also, I have attached an Apple time capsule to that router, so basically, I am using two wireless networks.

All devices that are using the the Apple network, perform without any issues. The Fritzbox, which is the network for all my B&O stuff, is a desaster however, it is a gamble, whether my devices can find and login to the network. More than ever I get network errors. Even if I try to log in to the Fritzbox network via iPhone or iPad, it gives me a connection error. Our wireless alarm system for our appartment from Daitem is also connected via LAN to the Fritzbox.

To make a long story short: what routers do you use for your wireless B&O equipment, especially the Moment, Beosystem 1/2, Beovision etc.? Are there any setup advices you can give me?

Thanks in advance!

 

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rxcohen
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I just use the time capsule as the wireless router with no issues. No need for a second router. It is a fairly good consumer product.

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I use the Fritzbox 7490 - works perfectly well, no complaints at all!

Mixed setup with several iPads and iPhones, wired and wireless connections for multiple B&O devices, Squeezebox, Chromecast Audio and my Mac Mini.

MM

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dasun replied on Sun, Nov 27 2016 10:12 PM

Ok, I have the 7360, maybe it's time to upgrade. On the other hand, I'm thinking of adding a few Airports to the Time Capsule to have a better coverage in our appartment, since the time capsule so far is more reliable. 

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kallasr replied on Sun, Nov 27 2016 10:50 PM
AVM Fritzbox since >10 years.

Best router available, very active community, good support.

Right now 7490 doing fine.

I doubt it is the root of all evil in your network....

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dasun replied on Mon, Nov 28 2016 8:13 PM

maybe i got a faulty unit, but the wireless feature of the 7360 doesn't work well. I ordered a few Apple Airports, lets see how that works out...

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As far as I remember, the 7360 does not support the ac-standart.

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jowus replied on Tue, Nov 29 2016 12:57 AM
Time Capsule is the Best. I've had for 8yrs no problem. I always think B&O works well with Apple.
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Hi,

I do not know how many WiFi networks are around you, but looking in the spectrum analysis of your router should show less congested channels to use. Also you might want to look whether to use 2.4GHz or 5GHz to connect, before thinking of changing the router. How close have you got the fritzbox and time capsule together? WiFi sender too close together can have interference as well.

I would only use one network for 2.4G and one for 5G and disable the rest.

Best regards,
Frank 

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Try a Pakedge re-2

It will allow you to set up zones and limit congestion that way also.

Their access points are extremely powerful too.
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dasun replied on Tue, Dec 6 2016 5:27 PM

Thanks for the advice. My B&O dealer recommended to get additional Apple Airport Express devices, so that's what I did. Installation was very easy, and I basically got rid of the WLAN function of the Fritzbox. The Fritzbox is still connected to the Internet, though, and I am using an Apple Time Capsule, connected to the Fritzbox, for WLAN. The Airport Express devices are connected to the Time Capsule to extend the wireless range. 

The WLAN connections seem to be a little bit more reliable now, it is easier to find the various B&O devices in the network. However, the connection is still far away from stable. Several times I have dropouts, sometimes they last for longer that 10 minutes...at that point, I have to restart my primary streaming device, which is the Moment.

Interestingly, I never experienced any dropouts with Sonos, which uses the same WLAN and consists of 7(!) different devices. But since I want to get rid of Sonos, I'm somewhat clueless what to change in my current setup.

My current setup consists of:

1 Beosound Moment connected to a Beosystem 4 with two Beolab 20 speakers
1 Beovision 11
1 Beosound 1
1 Beosound Essence connected wirelessly to a Beo v1 

My dealer gave me the advice, to disable the 5ghz function on the Apple Airports, maybe that will improve the connection.

 

 

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dasun replied on Wed, Dec 7 2016 8:51 AM

One more thing: it seems like the music does not play synchronized. I believe the Beosound 1 is slightly ahead of the other devices. Is there a good and simple way to check that? What could be the reason that it's not synchronized and how can I fix it? All my devices are connected to an Airport Express, the Beosound has a wireless connection to the Apple Time Capsule (main WLAN).

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Personally I use a Apple Timecapsule as my main router/access point. It only has to cover about one level of 100m2 so one device is more than enough. Prior I had an all commercial Cisco set up (ASA5505 & 2602I) but realised it is hard to beat Apple simplicity. Sort of like B&OWink

From your description it seems if you're experiencing dropouts as other have suggested work on connecting that. Are both your wireless devices broadcasting the same SSID (network name)? Are your trouble clients typically working on 2.4ghz? On 2.4 are both APs operating on the same channel? Try disabling 2.4 to force 5.0 and / or the inverse as a test.

Also Airplay does have a delay due to the buffering it does. ALAC or lossless having almost a full second of buffer (delay). In my set up I Airplay to an AppleTV which works flawlessly even hours on end.

** Disclaimer, I work as a profession in networking for a multinational.

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davidr:

Personally I use a Apple Timecapsule as my main router/access point. It only has to cover about one level of 100m2 so one device is more than enough

The reason I went for two TCs was so I could automatically flip-flop the time machine backups of our 3 going on 4 or 5 Macs.

I did have an early generation single TC - but it's hard drive failed and although Apple replaced it that was not the point !

If I had had a double whammy (TC fault AND a Nac failure) I would have been screwed.

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dasun replied on Sat, Dec 17 2016 10:17 AM

My connection is still very unstable.

What I did so far:

I installed two Airport Express to extend the coverage of my Apple Time Capsule. I disabled the Wlan function of the Fritzbox.

The Fritzbox shows a strong internet connection (100mbit download, 50mbit upload). The Airport App shows strong internet connections. The Beosetup App shows a green light with regards to the internet connection.

The Beomusic app however shows no internet connection. Still, there are a few devices that play music, which is interrrupted every other second. Some of the devices dont show up in the Beomusic app.

Is there a possibility, that too many B&O devices maybe interfere with each other? I also noticed, that the music playback sometimes stops for a few seconds, when I add another device to the playback. 

Am I the only one here with more than one multiroom device, where a simple multiroom function has a 50% chance of working when used?

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