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lupend88
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lupend88 posted on Wed, Sep 7 2016 8:39 PM

With the announcement of the headphone jack removal on the iPhone 7, I'm praying B&O comes up with a solution besides bluetooth. Has anyone heard anything?

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John replied on Thu, Sep 8 2016 9:58 AM

One aspect of dropping the 3.5mm analogue jack in favour of the supposedly digital lightning connector on the new iPhone 7, is just how and where the conversion is made from digital to analogue to drive the wired headphones (an analogue device).

Do the new supplied earbuds with lightning plug, have a miniaturised DAC in them?   Ditto the supplied lightning/3.5mm adaptor.

Or has the apparently digital Lightning connector on the iPhone been rejigged in some way such as to pass an analogue signal from the iPhones internal DAC (still necessary to drive the phones internal speaker/earpiece)

Intriguing developments - removing a DAC/analogue circuitry from the noisy electrical environment of an phone, could lead to noticeable and worthwhile improvements in sound quality for wired headphones.

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John:

One aspect of dropping the 3.5mm analogue jack in favour of the supposedly digital lightning connector on the new iPhone 7, is just how and where the conversion is made from digital to analogue to drive the wired headphones (an analogue device).

Do the new supplied earbuds with lightning plug, have a miniaturised DAC in them?   Ditto the supplied lightning/3.5mm adaptor.

Or has the apparently digital Lightning connector on the iPhone been rejigged in some way such as to pass an analogue signal from the iPhones internal DAC (still necessary to drive the phones internal speaker/earpiece)

Intriguing developments - removing a DAC/analogue circuitry from the noisy electrical environment of an phone, could lead to noticeable and worthwhile improvements in sound quality for wired headphones.

Cheers

 

John..  

I belive there is a small DAC inside the cable. The adaptor will work with all lightning enabled devices that supports iOS 10 so clearly it needs a driver to work which further makes it probable that there is a chip inside. Since it is not yet available it's hard to say. However, it is remarkably cheap.

I compared the regular Lightning to USB cable with the new Lightning to 3.5 mm headphone jack adapter and found it to be slightly higher and wider. 

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I could absolutely live with the adapter cable (make it black, though!)

But in my car (using minijack to line-in) I will need to find a way to charge the 7 at the same time ;-)

I guess - sooner or later - we will see new headphones with a lightning connection from B&O also (or even with the 'Air' technology).

Might not be their priority - seems that they are focussing more on the Android 'world' nowadays.

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Paul W replied on Thu, Sep 8 2016 12:11 PM

If the DAC is built into the cable adapter, that could open up a whole new ball game for companies to make a top quality DAC connected to the lightning plug. :)

Did anyone notice the stereo speakers on the iPhone?

But I agree with MM about Android. Some of the HTC and Samsung Galaxy & Note 7 devices are pretty excellent. 

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@Paul W

1: This is not new - new is the size (I guess).

2: That is what I would call 'gimmick stereo'!

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Maybe a USB-C headphone would be the way to go for B&O.

Use it directly with Android phones - use a Lightning to USB-C adapter with iPhones.

???

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Paul W replied on Thu, Sep 8 2016 12:48 PM

I don't think MM that it's gimmick stereo. I think that it's a great idea. Some of my early 80s late 70s tunes sound really bad when played on a mono speakers - like Dolby pumping or some form of compression going in and out. I think that it's great to see stereo when Mono really should not in any damn way be on the Bluetooth market. There's a reason stereo replaced MONO 40+ years ago and we really have to appreciate that. 

Libratone has just launched lightning earphones today. Companies obviously see a big enough market in it especially if iPad and MacBook lines drop the 3.5mm in the future.

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Paul W replied on Thu, Sep 8 2016 12:52 PM

I don't see with headphones it's a problem for B&O as the actual cables are outsourced and most brands headphone plug in cables probably come from the same factory anyway. The factory that makes B&O PLAY Could be the same factory that makes BOSE, SAMSUNG, ALBA, for all we know - certainly quality control is not its highest point. Feed them dog food long enough and they learn to put barbecue sauce on it. 

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@Paul W

Why the h*ck should I buy a B&O (branded) headphone then???

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The new Apple EarPods look amazing and really, this is what the H5 should have been. A shame as I will undoubtedly buy the Apple product over the B&O one. These are utilising Bluetooth technology properly; i.e. more serious, better design, more minimalist and cable free etc. I can imagine Apple selling absolutely millions of these and imagine I'll see them in gyms and in general public everywhere in just a few weeks from release. Come on B&O, why so behind all the time? apple are what B&O 'used' to be.

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Paul W:

I don't think MM that it's gimmick stereo. I think that it's a great idea. Some of my early 80s late 70s tunes sound really bad when played on a mono speakers - like Dolby pumping or some form of compression going in and out. I think that it's great to see stereo when Mono really should not in any damn way be on the Bluetooth market. There's a reason stereo replaced MONO 40+ years ago and we really have to appreciate that. 

How many 'mono devices/speakers' do you have?

The benefit (one of more) of stereo is that you can have the 'stereo perspective' to give you the perception of depth and 3-dimensional structure of the sound.....

To acchieve this there are several 'rules' to follow: Sitting in the sweet spot with the (two) speakers wide apart from you. Taking care of the influences of the room etc etc.

None of these 'rules' can be used with a small device like a mobile phone.

I guess the reason for (and the advantage of) using 'stereo' is, that you have much more possibilities to tweek, alter, boost the sound, when you use 'stereo' (using DSP). Whether you like that or not, is truely a personal matter.

With stereo as we know it from a good set of speakers in a 'fit for' room (alternatively from a good set of headphones), the use of 'stereo' in a mobile device has very little to do. 

That is why I called it 'gimmick stereo'.

Personally I wouldn't bother, if the had kept the 'mono' speaker.


By the way - when you are surfing, you (probably) only use one board.

Why that?

I guess you have two feet - why not do 'stereo surfing' ;-))))

 

Sorry - this is getting off-topic.

But there is not much to say about B&O and Lightning HP's - we will just have to wait and see, what comes.

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@BAND'OH!

Please tell us about the sound quality, when you have bought/tried them.

 

I think you are a bit unfair with B&O.

How can a company like B&O be 'ahead' of Apple?

Apple uses a proprietary technology for the AirPods.

You will have to have a licence (and the hardware chip) from Apple,

before you can make your own Beo-AirPhones.

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Millemissen:

You will have to have a licence (and the hardware chip) from Apple,

before you can make your own Beo-AirPhones.



Do you have any source of this? I don't think the W1 chip is for other manufacturers it is simply a solution for their own headphones. W1 is simply a SoC with their own design, optimized for their hardware. Bluetooth, power management, DAC and so on. 

 

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Michael:

Do you have any source of this? 

No Michael - I haven't.

But when was it so, that Apple would not try to earn money from their technology/design (which is ok!)?

I simply assumed, that it is so in this case, but would be happy if it isn't.

It would make it possible to see 'new' compatible headphones soon(er).

If you happen to know more - please tell!

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