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davelarue
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davelarue posted on Sun, Dec 13 2015 12:03 AM

After a year of playing, my playmaker has been very unreliable - with drops every other song. My airport express had no issues whatsoever. After lots of reading and troubleshooting, i'v given up.

Now, 4 years after the release of the playmaker, is there a better alternative that airplay-enables my b&o speakers (with the same quality and simplicity as the playmaker) ?

 

 

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davelarue:

After a year of playing, my playmaker has been very unreliable - with drops every other song. My airport express had no issues whatsoever. After lots of reading and troubleshooting, i'v given up.

Now, 4 years after the release of the playmaker, is there a better alternative that airplay-enables my b&o speakers (with the same quality and simplicity as the playmaker) ?

Whenever that issue comes up in a thread on the forum, I have to write that my Playmaker is still (from day one) working flawless.

I'd like to know, if something somewhere in your network has changed lately - new router?

Did you try to wire your Playmaker to your network router?

 

As for an alternative - the BeoSound Essence...if you want simplicity.

If you are willing to give that up, there are lots of 'alternatives'.

 

MM

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Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker:

As for the wheely remote I replicated the same functions plus much much more using this for $60. even has a nice blue glow:

https://griffintechnology.com/us/device/laptops/powermate-bluetooth

So when you look at the costs there aren't many justifications.

You forgot to mention, that the Griffin only makes sense, if you have an (Apple) computer to control.

That adds a few bucks to the $60 ;-(

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

Why would the speed of his internet have anything to do with it if he is playing local files? Just because it works for you doesn't mean it will work for him. Wifi really depends on how your place is set up and how much interference there is.

B&O typically have terrible wifi signal. My A9 first gen couldn't play a local mp3 to it without stuttering even though a high end wifi router was 10 feet away with nothing in-between. I have several other WiFi airplay devices that handled it fine. I got so fed up I just connected an ethernet cable.

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Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker:

Why would the speed of his internet have anything to do with it if he is playing local files?

Wifi really depends on how your place is set up and how much interference there is.

1: Who wrote anything about 'the speed of his internet?

2: Exactly that was, what my question about possible changes in the network setup of the op, was aiming at.

MM

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Millemissen:

 

1: Who wrote anything about 'the speed of his internet?

 

jowus:
I'll say, you better check the Speed of your Internet. 

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Millemissen:

You forgot to mention, that the Griffin only makes sense, if you have an (Apple) computer to control.

That adds a few bucks to the $60 ;-(

MM

Sure. For the cost of a playmaker you can buy a Mac Mini with optical output among other things and a griffin controller. 

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Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker:

Sure. For the cost of a playmaker you can buy a Mac Mini with optical output among other things and a griffin controller. 

I don't know where you buy your stuff!!!

The Playmaker did cost less than 3000 Dkr (approx 440US$/400€), and the cheapest MacMini in DK cost 4400 Dkr plus costs for a display, keyboard and some kind of mouse option.....and the Griffin-thingy for round about 450 Dkr....and the AirPort Express for 750 Dkr.

OK - to be fair: for the Playmaker solution, you would also need an AirPlay-capable device.

But no matter what ---- the op asked for a solution with the simplicity of a Playmaker.

What is the point in offering your Mac solution - other than picking on B&O?

MM

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Millemissen:

 

The Playmaker did cost less than 3000 Dkr (approx 440US$/400€), and the cheapest MacMini in DK cost 4400 Dkr plus costs for a display, keyboard and some kind of mouse option.....and the Griffin-thingy for round about 450 Dkr....and the AirPort Express for 750 Dkr.

You can run a Mini headless and without a keyboard and mouse. If you need it for the first setup get a $5 USB mouse or the one in everyones house.

Not to mention you do not need a new mini to serve music (one that's 5 years old will work perfectly) nor do you need an airport express as it has optical and USB audio.

 

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Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker:

You can run a Mini headless and without a keyboard and mouse. If you need it for the first setup get a $5 USB mouse or the one in everyones house.

Not to mention you do not need a new mini to serve music (one that's 5 years old will work perfectly) nor do you need an airport express as it has optical and USB audio.

You really don't have to tell me that - I am a Mac user myself!

Using an iDevice with the Remote app to play from the MacMini - with optical-out or USB-out (you'll need some kind of converter/bridge in that case) is fine - but rather limited imo.

N.B. I stopped fiddling with 'Remote Desktop solutions' and headless machines years ago.

To me feeding a Playmaker via Airplay with anything, that the iDevice offers, is simplicity - and is (by the way) a much cheaper solution.

And it is a solution, that my wife understands!

 

A pity that B&O does not offer a Playmaker anymore for a standalone setup.

If I had to start from scratch, I'd go for an Essence-box with an ir-eye solution - and I would choose a second generation one...just to be prepared for optional NL-multiroom devices.

 

MM

 

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

I suggest you use powerline networking from your router to the playmaker. They are cheap, work surprisingly well and would easily handle any music streams you throw at it even with the low bandwidth models. 

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Andrew replied on Tue, Dec 15 2015 10:48 AM

Just add a decent DAC to the optical out of the AE and you have a cheap upgradable solution - I have this and it works flawlessly. The AE is hardwired to the router, no drop outs ever, Tune in is great for internet radio and you can of course stream from spotify, deezer, iTunes or whatever else you want. I cant see the need for a system that will be outdated in a couple of years due to licencing or other issues. A DAC on the other hand o AE can be changed at minimal cost and integrated into any B&O setup

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Andrew:

Just add a decent DAC to the optical out of the AE and you have a cheap upgradable solution 

Apart from the convenience of controlling the volume directly on the Playmaker or via a B&O remote, I am sure that volume controlling in the Playmaker will be better (sound-quality-wise) than from within the transmitting iDevice. Same goes for the BS Essence.

If this doesn't bother you, you may be right with your suggestion.

MM

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elephant replied on Tue, Dec 15 2015 10:05 PM
Andrew:

I cant see the need for a system that will be outdated in a couple of years due to licencing or other issues. A DAC on the other hand o AE can be changed at minimal cost and integrated into any B&O setup

Good future proofing approach

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elephant:
Andrew:

I cant see the need for a system that will be outdated in a couple of years due to licencing or other issues. A DAC on the other hand o AE can be changed at minimal cost and integrated into any B&O setup

Good future proofing approach

I don't see how the 'change of a DAC at minimal costs' can make an audio device (the APE) futureproof.

And I wonder, what is meant with 'outdated in a couple of years'?

Even if things like Deezer (due to licencing....) would not be functional anymore, there would not be any advantages in using an APE.

Airplay would still work with the Essence - and that (audiowise) is all, that you would get from an APE anyway.

MM

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elephant replied on Thu, Dec 24 2015 11:39 PM
MM, I just meant that distributing the solution cost across multiple units that would be independently obsoleted and independently upgraded is (perhaps) a better financial approach than replacing an entire system every couple of years.

I think we could agree that era of systems lasting decades has disappeared under a flood of software innovation

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