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Seanie_230 Posted: Thu, Jun 21 2012 8:36 PM

Hello All

thought i would create a project thread

 

Step 1: install steal MF5 ceiling joists on the wall

Step 2: put up insulated plaster board to safe energy and give a clean wall for the speakers, all cables installed behind the wall in a cut out of the insulation

Step 3: Skimming

Step 4: Rip up flooring and install Cat7 to use as Masterlink (no pic this time :)

Step 5: Paint and the result

 

 

Once i have some more £££ i will buy a nice black gloss sideboard that can sit in the alcove and the 9300 can sit on top of it hiding the socket and the cable input backbox

its been a long week but its all done

 

 

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Lars replied on Thu, Jun 21 2012 9:38 PM

Thanks a lot for sharing! 

Looks pretty good what you are doing there! 

 

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Lars replied on Thu, Jun 21 2012 9:38 PM

Thanks a lot for sharing! 

Looks pretty good what you are doing there! 

 

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Lars replied on Thu, Jun 21 2012 9:38 PM

Thanks a lot for sharing! 

Looks pretty good what you are doing there! 

 

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Lars replied on Thu, Jun 21 2012 9:38 PM

Thanks a lot for sharing! 

Looks pretty good what you are doing there! 

 

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Lars replied on Thu, Jun 21 2012 9:39 PM

Ups, seems like the UI had some kind of lag once i tried to post. 

 

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BeoGreg replied on Thu, Jun 21 2012 9:48 PM
Wow, that's a nice project with new beolab 12 !

Well done.

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Seanie_230 replied on Thu, Jun 21 2012 10:12 PM

Wow I thought I had loads of replies, it has been a busy two weeks, they are a little un able to take the music that I play at a loud volume but I think a lab 11 will be on the cards for the future as it will cut the bass to the lab 12's.

The design has been planned down to a T, the tweeter is at my ear height :)

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Yendys replied on Thu, Jun 21 2012 10:57 PM
Great project and looks very well planned. Love the fact a classic product like the 9300 works in well with the new BLs. Will look great on a black sideboard
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Seanie_230 replied on Thu, Jun 21 2012 11:12 PM

Yendys:
Great project and looks very well planned. Love the fact a classic product like the 9300 works in well with the new BLs. Will look great on a black sideboard

Hi there

Yeah a nice black gloss sideboard in both alcoves one for the 9300 and the other for hidden shoes.

In my opinion the 9300 or the 9000 range is the most futuristic looking product I have seen In years, it still looks futuristic even now in 2012.

Tomorrow I need to make a ariel cable for the radio and it's done. 

the alcoves amplify the sound.

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Steffen replied on Thu, Jun 21 2012 11:56 PM

Veeery nice Yes - thumbs up

I'm looking forward to see it when it's finished.

Seanie_230:

In my opinion the 9300 or the 9000 range is the most futuristic looking product I have seen In years, it still looks futuristic even now in 2012.

Exactly. Those old JJ designs are timeless. Cool

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Very well done. Enjoy your set-up.

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Steph replied on Fri, Jun 22 2012 10:32 AM

« Love the fact a classic product like the 9300 works in well with the new BLs »

Yes, that's the force of Bang & Olufsen !

Even a very modern speaker with new connections and new acoustic model can works with an 80's product.

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Step1 replied on Fri, Jun 22 2012 11:41 AM

Exactly how B&O stuff should be installed, very nice :)

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digi replied on Fri, Jun 22 2012 5:20 PM

High,

that looks very good, phantastic job Smile

I am thinking about replacing my old Beovox 4500/5000 with new Beolab 12-2/12-3. Do you have any experience about the comparision between these vintage loudspeakers and the present Beolab 12?

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BeoHut replied on Fri, Jun 22 2012 6:52 PM

Hi All,

This is a very nice project Seanie_230.

I'm sure you will not be disappointed at all with your new speakers. They look great on the wall!

recently I've added a BL11 to my BL12-3 speakers. Just for more body to the sound, a subtile bass and great performance of the speakers.

This is my first post here on this forum (following this site for a long time) and I also want you to show my new BL12-3's in my setup in the livingroom.

Greeting,

Beofan53

 

 

 

 

 

 

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BeoHut replied on Fri, Jun 22 2012 7:17 PM

Here is the picture.

Not the best (taken with my phone, but just for the impression).

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Beofan53:

Hi All,

This is a very nice project Seanie_230

recently I've added a BL11 to my BL12-3 speakers.

Thank you so much for your kind words, did you also feel that a lab 11 was needed. Mine are in my "music room" and when I play modern pop music like rihanna with hefty bass they cannot Handle the volume as the bass causes the speakers to have an orange light when playing at volume. I'm thinking a lab 11 will remove some bass from the speakers and improve this.

 

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Paul W replied on Fri, Jun 22 2012 7:43 PM

Seanie all looking great!

OMG BeoFan, i'm loving the BV10 with the orange WOW!!!

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BeoHut replied on Fri, Jun 22 2012 8:20 PM

Hi Seanie_230,

Before this configuration of speakers I owned a par of BL8000 (MK1) and a BL2.

The BL2 was too much present and I found it not the exact speaker for music (too slow, too overwhelming and too much boemboem). Just for movies great, but I listen more to music.

Therofore I decided to change the speakers with BL12-3. A great design and sound.

Mostly I play (modern)jazz and popmusic and I missed some details.

Now with the BL11 the sound is warmer,, goes deeper, and more details from the BL12-3.

The BL12-3's are playing great, even on higher volume and now with a tight bass!

I think for your music the BL11  is a great addition.

Try to test one from your dealer (and play on a higher volume with your music. Probably the orange led is gone).

Succes with your project!

Beofan53

 

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BeoHut replied on Fri, Jun 22 2012 8:31 PM

Thanx!

I have also a blue front for the BV10, but I like this one more.

It just gives some color to the livingroom. . . .

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BeoHut replied on Fri, Jun 22 2012 8:35 PM

Hi,

I now have some BL4000-speakers (silver, aluminium) for the back (surround). Great speakers, but for the design and the ALT technology and the sound (not heard them already but the have almost the same specs as the BL12-3) I want to swap them with smaller BL12's.

I'm planning (end of the year) to change them with BL12-2 or even the BL12-1 (if this one will ever come).

Just a complete and adjusted surround sound system and also very good for speaker-4 playback.

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From somebody that can't even construct an Airfix model, big respect. You won't regret getting the Beolab 11 either. I infrequently turn it off just to hear my 10-46, and it is the extra ingredient that makes for a great duo.

Regards and coming to a county near you soon, Chris

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Seanie_230 replied on Mon, Jun 25 2012 12:11 AM

Hi ll, after a few agonising weeks I have decided that the lab 12-3 is just not good enough for my music room. Has anyone ever returned an item? 

On Saturday my friends said can you turn the music up and I said embarrassingly no they will not go any higher, I think I will get some KEF XQ40's and run them from the 9300.

So but I cannot justify these speakers cost when they don't deliver.

Im really unhappy with them and should not need to add a subwoofer so the speakers can play loud music.

Crying

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BeoHut replied on Mon, Jun 25 2012 4:40 PM
This is very diappointing Seanie_230!

I have played my music, including tracks with some decent basses, rather loud, without distortion.

My master is a Beosound4, connected to a BV10. Mostly I play modern jazz and popmusic. Classic for the night.

I use the soundsetting to flat ( bass, treblle,loudness).

Probably not as loud as you play music.

Try it with your BC9300 with flat soundsettings. When you will play music with the 9300 and passive speakers, like the Kef's, then probably you will get the limitation of the amplifier in your 9300. Therefore you need a very high-end amplifier which is powerful.

Before bying new (passive) speakers, try first the settings on the amplifier. Even try it with a demo Beolab 11 or even a BL2.

In the past I have some speakers returned, because I did not like the sound at all. These were paasive ones. No problem with my dealer.

For the price of your new BL12-3 speakers, you can expect that they can play good, without distortion. Ask your dealer for the demo subwoofers. Its just a try and it will cost nothing.

Good luck!

Beofan53

Ps. Which track(s) gives problems? Perhaps I can simulate it at home with my own speakers and let you know the results. What is the soundlevel you play?
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So one of the big tracks is David guerra titanium and othe 9300 it's all flat.

I am going to trial some passive speakers from B and......W.

I hope the beocenter Amp can drive them well enough, I think if I tried the lab 11 I would be really unhappy if it made them excellent as I would hae to buy one.

 

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tournedos replied on Mon, Jun 25 2012 5:43 PM

I'm afraid you're in for a big disappointment, if you expect a 9300 with any passive speakers to be louder than a pair of BL12s!

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valve1 replied on Mon, Jun 25 2012 6:02 PM

Seanie_230:
So one of the big tracks is David guerra titanium

I played the same track on my lab1's with lab 2- same experience. Its flat and lackluster and it is not my speakers, Either it is badly recorded or we both have bad cd's

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It's not the flat sounds it's the fact that when playing it at any volume the speakers cannot play this music without going into orange state.

I did originally look into lab 1's but they are so to huge.

I think I will try a lab 11 to hear the difference but spending an extra 1500 on one is not an optio when I could get a set of Passives and an amp for 2000

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Paul W replied on Mon, Jun 25 2012 7:06 PM

I don't find this track flat sounding! I'm affraid speaking from experience, I find B&O just too refined and smooth for my dance music taste. I find their sound elegant & refined but not fun if that makes any sense? Great for classical & jazz etc but too flat for dance. If it was a person, it would be a real elegant, refined, cultured but very OLD Lady! Just not hip!   Just a bit Radio 2  and.. that's NOT GOOD arrhhhh

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BeoHut replied on Mon, Jun 25 2012 7:38 PM
seanklemis:

It's not the flat sounds it's the fact that when playing it at any volume the speakers cannot play this music without going into orange state.

I've seen on the photos that you made your own wires. Are these cables correct wired with the RJ45 plug and powerlinkcable?

Never had orange lights on the speakers, even on a loud volume. I use the original cables that came with the speakers 3 mtr. One I swapped with an original 5 mtr cable.

I will try to play your tracks on loud volume. Let you know how my speakers act. With and without bl11.

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Hi there

I am using the bang and olufsen supplied pl to rj45 cable from the shop that they ordered from b and o.

The cable from speaker to speaker is cat6 stp.

 

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BeoHut replied on Mon, Jun 25 2012 8:51 PM
Ok, this is just an exclusion. The cables seem to be ok.

I'm looking for causes that the orange led goes on at any volume.

Did you connect the speakers to your Beovision and played the same music and loudness?

Just to make sure it is not you Beocenter that causes the problems.

Will the orange led goes on on both speakers?

I am still looking for a solution ... . . .

Till now I cannot reproduce the problem. I will play you tracks later and will see if the same haapens to my speakers.

Do not look to soon for replacement speakers. The bl12 are great and should work probably, especiallynfor their price!
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BeoHut replied on Mon, Jun 25 2012 8:55 PM
seanklemis:

Hi there

I am using the bang and olufsen supplied pl to rj45 cable from the shop that they ordered from b and o.

The cable from speaker to speaker is cat6 stp.

Did you try to connect the beocenter with only the two powerlinkcables from the speakers?

Therefore place the beocenter in the middle and try.

So, without using your cat6 cable?

If this will give the same results, then there should be something else going on.

The above is just another exclusion.

Good luck!

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mbee replied on Mon, Jun 25 2012 9:02 PM

Beolab turning into protection (orange) directly at high volume seem to be faulty speakers, as I only go to protection on VERY HIGH volume, and rarely before HOURS of music... 

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Hay there,

I only have one pl to rj45 cable.

The cat 6 is the correct pin configuration so everything is shielded.

I will however try your idea of connecting them to my beovision so I can eliminate the beocenter just to see. That is a good idea to try, what speakers shall I select in the bv connections menu as bv12 is it there.

I will borrow another b and o cable to test too. Cannot hurt.

 

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BeoHut replied on Mon, Jun 25 2012 9:16 PM
Use for speakersettings in you beovision bl8000 as front, select no speakers for rear and sub.

This should do the job, and this is the advice of b&o.

Strange that you just got one powerlinkcable with your new speakers. Mine were delivered with 2

So just ask your dealer and try not to to pay for it. Its part of you bl12,speakerset.
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I only needed one as I already had a cat 6 sheilded cable. I will go to the shop tomorrow and try and borrow a cable and see if it makes a difference from the beovision and then from the beocenter with 2x powerlink/rj45 cables

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BeoHut replied on Mon, Jun 25 2012 9:45 PM
Another exclusion: try another cat6 shielded cable.

Just some thoughts.

Let us know your results.

Good luck with the experiments.

Right nowg i am playing modern jazz with heavy bass on my speakers with high volume but no orange led. Probably you play it louder but its already late, dogs and children are at sleep . . .

Ask advice and opinions from you dealer. Even bring the tracks to him and let them play in the shop. Just to test them.

Good luck!
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I will try tomorrow more investigation as its to late, I just tried with my existing pl cable with coupler but it's hummed so cable was not good enough. Is there a difference between old and new powerlink?

I cannot wait to try tomorrow. 

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