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Michael Posted: Wed, Sep 9 2015 7:29 PM
Now every beovision-owner can breath out Smile.

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madskp replied on Wed, Sep 9 2015 7:48 PM

Now we just need the Beoremote to have af touch area and a microphone Whistle

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Sal replied on Wed, Sep 9 2015 7:57 PM

We would still need the new Apple remote for the extended features. But with the fact that it does have IR support, the basic functions can be done with the B&O remote. Hopefully B&O will update the PUC quickly for the new buttons (ie. SIRI) (except for the touch sensitive area of course).

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L1NO replied on Wed, Sep 9 2015 8:14 PM

Siri would also require the remote, the remote has the microphone. The apple tv does not fit in cabinets anymore becouse of the added height to the apple-tv. 

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Michael replied on Wed, Sep 9 2015 8:20 PM
It fits inside the avant I think.

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beojeff replied on Wed, Sep 9 2015 9:46 PM

I would be surprised if the Apple Watch doesn't also control the Apple TV with Siri.

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L1NO replied on Wed, Sep 9 2015 11:12 PM

Historicly the apple-tv was controlable with a app on your iphone or apple-watch. The hardware is there so it's just a update away.

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elephant replied on Wed, Sep 9 2015 11:54 PM
My son had some interesting perspectives ...

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I guess you would not have noticed the impact it will have on the B&O ? No infrared for the PUC to drive!

Son

Yeah. And I guess the B&O doesn't support HDMI CEC?

Dad

Actually some beoworlders are say it does still have IR. what's CEC ?

Son

It's how the new ATV remote can use IR to adjust volume on TVs and turn them on.

I think the IR is only the other way around now.

As in it's just on the remote and it's only meant to drive the control of TVs from the new remote.

It doesn't drive the ATV and thus the ATV can't be controlled by other IR hardware.

Makes sense?

Dad

I think so ..... I had wondered what Eddy Cue was claiming when he said it would control the television's volume ... So yes, I think the BeoVision is out of that play - especially as it uses a different IR band from the average remote

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Michael replied on Thu, Sep 10 2015 12:26 AM

elephant:
I think so ..... I had wondered what Eddy Cue was claiming when he said it would control the television's volume ... So yes, I think the BeoVision is out of that play - especially as it uses a different IR band from the average remote

 

The new Apple TV (4th gen) has a built in IR-receiver, and the remote has an IR transmitter. So the Apple TV is backwards compatible and the remote can send IR commands to a TV-set or Amp. So we are safe, for now :).

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elephant replied on Thu, Sep 10 2015 1:13 AM
Michael:

The new Apple TV (4th gen) has a built in IR-receiver, and the remote has an IR transmitter. So the Apple TV is backwards compatible and the remote can send IR commands to a TV-set or Amp. So we are safe, for now :).

For now ... when Apple adds channels and stations there will be more of an impact on any one's "smart" TVWink

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As long as I can airplay to it, I'm fine!

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f5434964 replied on Thu, Sep 10 2015 5:09 AM

Hello!

Despite of having an ir transmitter - hopefully also receiver - there seems to be a lack of 4k

H.264 video up to 1080p, 60 frames per second, High or Main Profile level 4.2 or lower (from http://www.apple.com/tv/specs/)

?!?

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HDMI CEC has nothing to do with IR. it makes you able to turn in one device, and then this device will turn on whatever it is connected to.
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Michael replied on Thu, Sep 10 2015 7:56 AM
f5434964:

Hello!

Despite of having an ir transmitter - hopefully also receiver - there seems to be a lack of 4k

H.264 video up to 1080p, 60 frames per second, High or Main Profile level 4.2 or lower (from http://www.apple.com/tv/specs/)

?!?

Best regards Elmar

Yes it has a receiver. The transmitter is in the Remote (Receiver is in the Apple TV).

No 4K. At least not for now.

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Are any of these small and cheap TV boxes on the market able of running 4K?

It's been a while since I was following hardware specs, but is there sufficient cooling?

I think that's it the reason for the PS4 not running 4K. Not powerful enough hardware. And that is a weee more expensive than an ATV.
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Michael replied on Thu, Sep 10 2015 8:59 AM
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Are any of these small and cheap TV boxes on the market able of running 4K?

It's been a while since I was following hardware specs, but is there sufficient cooling?

I think that's it the reason for the PS4 not running 4K. Not powerful enough hardware. And that is a weee more expensive than an ATV.

I think the main problem is big files and missing content. Google has declared that they want to cut 4k bitstreams in half and I think that many will wait for those solutions.

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Bv7Mk3 replied on Thu, Sep 10 2015 9:10 AM
@Leosgonwild The ps4 as I understand could be getting a upgrade to play 4k video in the future!
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I have heard that it won't. Strange how rumors work Stick out tongueWink

The PS4 is running hot as it is..
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Michael replied on Fri, Sep 11 2015 7:44 AM

PS4 rumors are off topic but "In a report from CES 2015 last month, the Huffington Post spoke with Netflix Chief Product Office Neil Hunt, who said Sony had “promised” a hardware revision to the PlayStation 4, allowing it to support 4K video capability." 

Meaning no 4K for current PS4.

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Paul W replied on Fri, Sep 11 2015 10:50 AM

The only thing that really surprised me was that they didn't change the design. I've never heard of that before. Jonny Ive and his team are some of the best designers and they take a 4 year old box and just make it fatter. I'm getting the impression that because it's a cheapish product, that Apple didn't want to spend much money on it.  I find it very bizarre.

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Michael replied on Fri, Sep 11 2015 11:36 AM
I think it is supposed to be discrete and easily hidden from view. Which it is. It looks like the old model which means it is very easily recognized as an Apple TV. I'm quite happy they kept the discrete simple design.

The interface and remote is the most important parts at least for me.

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Paul W replied on Fri, Sep 11 2015 12:39 PM

True Michael. Size wise the ATV has always been perfect. I just thought that a brand new model would have a new design just like every other product that is launched on the market. I was very surprised. In fact, I did a nervous laugh when I saw it on MacRumours because I thought that it was a joke at first. The problem is when you see all of these concepts that really inspiring artists design and then you see the real thing :(

Still my new MacBook Retina is my favourite Apple design to date!

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rob08 replied on Tue, Sep 22 2015 3:45 PM

The new Apple TV (gen 4) is slightly taller (around 1cm). Will it still fit in the BV11 cabinet?

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Sal replied on Tue, Sep 22 2015 3:59 PM

Paul W:

The only thing that really surprised me was that they didn't change the design. I've never heard of that before. Jonny Ive and his team are some of the best designers and they take a 4 year old box and just make it fatter. I'm getting the impression that because it's a cheapish product, that Apple didn't want to spend much money on it.  I find it very bizarre.

Well, it may be manufacturing / operations, even though Apple has all the money in the world. Take the Airport Extreme / Airport Express / Time Machine for example, they are basically the same design just extruded to different heights. Heck the Airport Extreme is a big empty box, the same as the Time machine, except the Time MAchine has a hard disk and fan in there. Yeah, Apple state that the new design enables something called "beam forming" but it is the same design. Fewer factory parts needed, and a distinct design language for each product line.

I'm waiting for iFixit to take the Apple TV apart to see what they've packed into that box.

Apple, give me a taller Mac Mini with better upgradability options (two more disk bays, and even one PCIe slot) and you'll give me a reason to give up my trusty cheese-grater Mac Pro. Bring back the G4 Cube design with upgraded innards. Big Smile

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Michael replied on Tue, Sep 22 2015 4:01 PM

Sal:
I'm waiting for iFixit to take the Apple TV apart to see what they've packed into that box.

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Apple+TV+4th+Generation+Teardown/49046

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Sal replied on Tue, Sep 22 2015 4:08 PM

HAH! Thanks! Seems like I haven't been paying attention! 

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So - it seems that the new ATV does not have ir-support i.e. no ir-receiver.

The remote has a ir-transmitter, but that seems to be only for controlling the (volume of) the connected tv.

Bugger - if so!!!

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Michael replied on Tue, Sep 22 2015 5:18 PM

Millemissen:

So - it seems that the new ATV does not have ir-support i.e. no ir-receiver.

The remote has a ir-transmitter, but that seems to be only for controlling the (volume of) the connected tv.

Bugger - if so!!!

MM

Its not like that. It works just as usual. The ATV4 is controllable with a puc cable using the regular ATV commands. MAYBE the PUC can add more buttons but since the new remote uses bluetooth this might not be possible over IR. It depends on what Apple wrote in their code. 

Anyway, the new remote has touch and the interface is made for more advanced input so I think the new remote will be good to have as well. But B&O integration will give you pause/play and simple features like that so its good for viewing movies etc.

A more important question is how the ATV will perform in for example a B&O Avant 55/75/85. Since the back case is aluminum and there is a screen and other metals in front of it there will be some obstacles for the bluetooth communication. This might become an issue. Therefore I would also suggest that people get ready to possibly place the ATV elsewhere.

This is also something to consider due to the improved wifi in the ATV. The new ATV features 100 mbit ethernet but 802.11ac wireless networking that might get up to about 1300 mbit. It should not require more than 100 mb but this does mean that there is less and less reason to install a network cable just for the ATV. 

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Hiort replied on Tue, Sep 22 2015 5:51 PM
Millemissen:

So - it seems that the new ATV does not have ir-support i.e. no ir-receiver.

The remote has a ir-transmitter, but that seems to be only for controlling the (volume of) the connected tv.

Bugger - if so!!!

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

The remote talks to ATV over Bluetooth.

So no need for line of sight.

No PUC possible apparently. Sad

 

 

 

 

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Raeuber replied on Tue, Sep 22 2015 6:31 PM
Hiort:

The remote talks to ATV over Bluetooth.

So no need for line of sight.

No PUC possible apparently.

I thought you could also use the old Apple remote with the new ATV4 and that's why the old PUC would also work with ATV4.

If not, this is sad. But the ATV4 is especially interesting for gamers, and I'm not a gamer...
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rob08 replied on Tue, Sep 22 2015 6:58 PM

Millemissen:

So - it seems that the new ATV does not have ir-support i.e. no ir-receiver.

The remote has a ir-transmitter, but that seems to be only for controlling the (volume of) the connected tv.

Bugger - if so!!!

MM

According to the tech specs at apple.com/tv the ATV 4 does have IR receiver:

 

HDMI 1.43

802.11ac Wi‑Fi with MIMO

10/100BASE-T Ethernet

Bluetooth 4.0 wireless technology

IR receiver

USB‑C for service and support

Built‑in power supply

 

http://www.apple.com/tv/specs/

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rob08:

According to the tech specs at apple.com/tv the ATV 4 does have IR receiver:

HDMI 1.43

802.11ac Wi‑Fi with MIMO

10/100BASE-T Ethernet

Bluetooth 4.0 wireless technology

IR receiver

USB‑C for service and support

Built‑in power supply

Thanks - then we can all calm down 😀

It was just that I did not notice any mentioning of the ir-receiver in the iFixit article.

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Michael:

Its not like that. It works just as usual. 

Do you already have one, Michael?

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Michael replied on Tue, Sep 22 2015 9:25 PM
Millemissen:

Do you already have one, Michael?

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I don't but I started the thread just to say that the new ATV has IR support so we can continue as before. It's also specified on apples webpage.

I actually did apply for one on my developer account but wasn't selected to receive one.

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linder replied on Wed, Sep 23 2015 4:44 AM

I did find this. http://www.idownloadblog.com/2015/09/09/apple-tv-siri-remote-availability/

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Raeuber replied on Wed, Sep 23 2015 12:14 PM
Thanks linder. So it seems there is a good chance the ATV3-PUC will also work with new ATV4.

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Is it possible to install the ATV4 in the Avant 55?

As I have measured, you can see on the photo, I think not.

The edge on the right side is 30mm deep and the ATV3 is 23 mm deep.
But, as the ATV4 is deep 35 mm, it’s just possible to drop the C1+module.
Too pity!!

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Raeuber replied on Fri, Sep 25 2015 11:54 AM
geert bergmans:

Is it possible to install the ATV4 in the Avant 55?

As I have measured, you can see on the photo, I think not.

The edge on the right side is 30mm deep and the ATV3 is 23 mm deep. But, as the ATV4 is deep 35 mm, it’s just possible to drop the C1+module. Too pity!!

Thanks for clarification. Another reason for an Avant Mk 2 with OLED and HDR.
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I would not 'hide it' there anyway, if I wanted to control it via bluetooth.

@Räuber ''Another reason for an Avant Mk 2 with OLED and HDR'.

Nobody knows, if that will ever be and how it would look, if - and maybe we will even see an ATV5, before that happens ;-))

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I hope STB Brackets will make a new mount for the new Apple TV.
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