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Beej1989
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Beej1989 posted on Fri, Apr 3 2015 2:28 AM

I am looking into getting a Beogram 4500 CD but wondering if it can be controlled directly with the Beolink 1000 remote or does it have to be connected to the Beomaster? I've looked everywhere for this question but can't find a direct answer. 

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joeyboygolf
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I'm afraid that it has to be connected to the Beomaster, which is where the IR receiver for the remote is situated.

Regards Graham

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Piaf replied on Fri, Apr 3 2015 8:02 AM

Graham is correct; you have to have it connected to a Beomaster 4500.

 

However, not to worry, they are a WONDERFUL combination! I have the pair and it is quite remarkable. I adore my Beomaster 4500/Beogram 4500 CD player in the extreme.

 

Trust me, you will love the combination.

 

Failing that, find a CDX, it will work independently of the Beomaster series of amplifiers. I use mine with my much loved McIntosh 2255 with extraordinary results! Yes - thumbs up

 

Jeff

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The CD4500 is controlled over the 'datalink connection'.

You can use and (ir-)control it from any B&O AudioMaster with this kind of connection.

And yes, if you just need a CD player, go for the CDX.

MM

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Thank you guys for the helpful answers. I may eventually get a Beomaster 4500 but in the meantime could I connect the Beogram 4500 CD to a non B&O amp/receiver using a Din to RCA adapter and at least play CD's? Also can a subwoofer be connected to the Beomaster 4500? I like the look of the CD player which is why I'm really interested in this but I don't want to go backwards on technology 25 years just for it to work.

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Yes you can, I acquired my Beomaster 4500 system in stages from graham who posted above, I used the CD for a few months connected to the auxiliary input on a surround sound system, then the cassette player and finally I acquired the amplifier so you can enjoy it now

 

you will need a 5 pin din to RCA connector which you can get from Steve at sounds heavenly one of our sponsors or just on ebay, enjoy

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Piaf replied on Sat, Apr 4 2015 7:17 AM

The Beogram 4500 CD player is a stunner, no doubt about that…. and I love mine, use it every day.

 

However the CDX makes more sense not wanting to go back in time with technology.

 

And do keep in mind; IF you find a nice Beomaster 4500, with its age, it will no doubt need to be rebuilt sooner rather than later. There is no cheating the advancing years of those B&O capacitors and aging power supply.

 

Moving forward you might consider buying a BeoCenter 9500 or 9000….. everything the 4500 series has in one GORGEOUS package; and all functions: turntable, CD, cassette, and radio are remote controllable.

 

Jeff

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You won't need a Beomaster to control your BGCD4500.

Just get an MCL2 AV with IR eye and 15V power supply, connect the CD4500 to CD socket,

and you will be able to control it with Beo4, Beo5/6, BL1000 and even BL5000/7000 in two way mode.

You can get an MCL2 AV on ebay, they are not expensive. 

Good thing is, it can be hidden away, you can connect connect two additional sources (and control them)

and you can directly connect Beolabs via Powerlink sockets.

Stefan

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BO replied on Sat, Apr 4 2015 8:02 AM

How do you connect the MCL2AV to a non B&O amplifier?

//Bo.
A long list...

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stefan replied on Sat, Apr 4 2015 10:03 AM

You don't need an additional amp.

MCL2AV IS the amp (volume controled preamp). Originally meant as an active linkstation in an MCL linksystem, 

you can use it standalone with Beo- or/and non Beo sources. You need active speakers like Beolabs,

or an MCL2P poweramp with passive speakers like Beovox, or a non Beo poweramp with passive speakers, or non Beo active speakers. 

Stefan

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Stefan is the man Yes - thumbs up

He is absolutely right - did not think of that myself.

Enjoy your CD4500.

MM

 

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Evan replied on Thu, Apr 16 2015 3:46 AM

I know this thread is a few days old, but I wanted to weigh in and cheer you on to go after the BeoMaster 4500 to pair up with your BG CD 4500.

Currently I am listening to a CD haul from earlier this evening on my BM4500, BG CD 4500 and BeoLab 5000s. The sound is what is compelling me to type this - it is simply amazing. Extremely resolving and full of finesse but also moderately warm. Pure B&O. 

One of the most captivating listing experiences of my life was with another BM4500 connected to a pair of re-capped BeoVox RL 60.2s playing some ALAC albums on my iPod. Let's just say I can't wait to get my hands on another set of RL60.2s.

Yes - thumbs up

Beo4 'til I die!

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Piaf replied on Thu, Apr 16 2015 5:37 PM

Hi Evan,

 

When it comes to amplifiers, it seems that everyone has a divergent opinion.

 

Ages ago Peter said something to the affect that amplifiers are or should be neutral and that the major differences in sound quality vis-à-vis our personal preference is the speakers.

 

Well that just didn’t “compute” with me because at the time I had sent my 500 watt McIntosh 2255 amplifier back to the factory to be rebuilt and was using the Beomaster 4500 as a home theater replacement.

 

The difference in sound quality was staggering in that the McIntosh sounded cold and impersonal as compared to the incredibly rich and WARM sound of the Beomaster 4500.

 

When McIntosh returned my 2255 I was really disappointed at the sound quality comparison and I talked at great length about this surprising situation.

 

What I didn’t know at the time was that stunning WARM sound was the collective result of failing capacitors/resistors in a badly over-driven amplifier which subsequently failed. Once rebuilt that glorious soft sound was gone.

 

Anyway, back to honest differences of opinion, when my Beomaster 4500 failed I received a private message from a fellow BeoWorlder who told me flat out I was a “fool” for rebuilding a “throwaway amplifier.” I am sure he had his reasons for saying that, but I disagree, I think the Beomaster 4500 is superb.

 

Then when I was rebuilding (not personally like Søren, I pay to have my amplifiers repaired); the Beomaster 2400 I was told “It sure sounds better than it has any right to.” So I asked why and was told what a simple unit the Beomaster 2400 is and when pressed to hit a wide range of notes, unlike the Beomaster 8000 that would hit all note presented to it, the Beomaster 2400 doesn’t even attempt the “full range” presented.

 

Even if the above comment is accurate I really enjoy the Beomaster 2400, limitation notwithstanding and don’t have a preference between the 2400 and the 4500.

 

I was also told by a technician that any Beomaster 2400 is better than a Beomaster 4500. So the “simple” 2400 is better than the more advanced 4500?

 

Personally, I’ll let the “experts” duke it out as I enjoy my collection of amplifiers….. “simple,” “throwaway,” or otherwise. Yes - thumbs up

 

Jeff

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I may be able to get this system soon if all goes as planned but I have a few more questions. Throwaway or not I love the look of the Beomaster 4500 and would want to keep it for many years. With that said, who and where would I go in the event that it breaks? How much is it to refurbish? I would want to pair Beolab 8000s up with this and I know they made them for a long time. Will any set of them connect or do I need an older pair? In the meantime I would get an adapter to connect the passive speakers to this. My tv has 2 audio outs: a 3.5 headphone out and a digital optical out. Is there any kind of adapter to connect this to the Beomaster. Sorry for so many questions. 

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Also can you connect a subwoofer to this system?

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