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elephant replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 5:06 PM
I believe the Moment has a large (128GB?) amount of storage for things like playlists

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Jeff replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 5:13 PM

mbolo01:

Hiort:

When you say "metadata cleanup", don´t you have your music in iTunes?

I do have my NAS music initially organized by iTunes, but I found many discrepancies in type of music setup, cover missing for some tracks, artist name not written consistently, etc ... which is normal after 5 years and more than 31000 tracks, so I have preferred to clean the shop before letting the Moment play with it, fair isn't it ? :-)

what im curious about is (1) the time it will take to digest the full library (2) the time to reflect any change in the library, a mystery for now. 

My reseller told me that integrating his 4000 tunes was reasonably fast, we will see ...

 

I've only got 9811 songs, but still and all I've been recently going thru and fighting iTunes to get things reorganized, delete duplicates, etc. It's messy, and in a lot of cases seems to have no real reason to be. While I use iTunes, it's by no means perfect and I don't like it all that much.

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koning replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 5:26 PM

elephant:
I believe the Moment has a large (128GB?) amount of storage for things like playlists

It would be nice if b&o also created this in the beosound 5!

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Facel replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 6:17 PM

Jeff:

While I use iTunes, it's by no means perfect and I don't like it all that much.

JRiver is 100 Times better 

and the tools for Renaming and organising audio files and metadata is just gréât

(I do not work for river ) 

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Jeff replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 6:26 PM

Facel:

Jeff:

While I use iTunes, it's by no means perfect and I don't like it all that much.

JRiver is 100 Times better 

and the tools for Renaming and organising audio files and metadata is just gréât

(I do not work for river ) 

Looks promising in many ways, but I can't seem to find it having an ability to AirPlay broadcast to something like the PlayMaker. ?

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Carolpa replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 7:50 PM

Jeff:

Facel:

Jeff:

While I use iTunes, it's by no means perfect and I don't like it all that much.

JRiver is 100 Times better 

and the tools for Renaming and organising audio files and metadata is just gréât

(I do not work for river ) 

Looks promising in many ways, but I can't seem to find it having an ability to AirPlay broadcast to something like the PlayMaker. ?

maybe this can help: https://www.rogueamoeba.com/airfoil/

 

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Hiort replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 9:05 PM
Moment installed.

Simple install.

Currently indexing my iTunes library.

Will see tomorrow how it worked out.

Sound from Deezer is really really good Smile

Think screen is a bit unresponsive sometimes when I press to select an album.

 

 

 

 

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lonfred replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 9:35 PM
Hi Hiort,

It looks fantastic. I can see that you also have an ML/NL converter, BC2 and BL3500 and BL2000 etc. It will be really interesting to see what function you will get if you use N-Music and N-Radio virtuall button on BEO4 against the ML products. Looking forward to your review.
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Hiort:

Moment installed.

Simple install.

Currently indexing my iTunes library.

Will see tomorrow how it worked out.

Sound from Deezer is really really good

Think screen is a bit unresponsive sometimes when I press to select an album.

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Wow! It looks perfectly integrated... Congratulations in your purchase!
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Hiort replied on Thu, Feb 12 2015 8:06 AM

Over night the Moment appear to have indexed my iTunes library on my Synology NAS. I´m using the built in media server on the NAS.

However, since I was so quick with getting the Moment into place and configured, I did not notice the note in the box saying that Moments manufactured before Feb x had to be factory reset. Otherwise the Moment is pointed at the wrong Beocare server and software download will not work.

So I have to do everything from the beginning this evening Stick out tongue  But setting up was rather painless. My biggest problem was that I had forgot my passwords to Deezer and TuneIn accounts Smile. Upgrading my Deezer account with the voucher that came with the Moment worked well.

Integrating the BV11 and Moment was easy from the "integration menu" in the BV11 menu. All Moment sources play over my BL3s and BL11, connected to the BV11. 

I have a Beo4, so now I can press:

"CD" to get the Moment to play last played que from media server

"RADIO" to play last played Radio station in TuneIn on Moment

"A.MEM" to start the Bluetooth input on Moment

Sound from all sources are very very good! Crisp and detailed. Everything you would expect is there Big Smile 

Some initial questions surfaced:

- How can I add artist artwork where Moment cannot find anything? I have a few Swedish artists, and on the "artist level" no artwork is shown (and on some wellknow artist its missing as well). Moment evidently finds its own artwork for the artist, since its not whats shown in iTunes.

- Moment does not pick up the albums iTunes have sorted under Compilations. Compilations is on the artist level in the folder tree iTunes creates. Not sure how to handle this.

 

 

 

 

 

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Hiort replied on Thu, Feb 12 2015 8:10 AM

lonfred:
Hi Hiort,

 

It looks fantastic. I can see that you also have an ML/NL converter, BC2 and BL3500 and BL2000 etc. It will be really interesting to see what function you will get if you use N-Music and N-Radio virtuall button on BEO4 against the ML products. Looking forward to your review.

Thanks Smile

Actually I replaced the Beocenter 2 with the Moment ( and added a Beolink Converter Type No 1611 to power the ML). Moment does not take e.g RADIO command sent from the Masterlink. That will come in the "multiroom upgrade" this summer if I understand B&O correctly.

I have not configured anything towards the N-Music and N-Radio.

/C

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hiort replied on Thu, Feb 12 2015 10:11 AM

Hiort:

Some initial questions surfaced:

- How can I add artist artwork where Moment cannot find anything? I have a few Swedish artists, and on the "artist level" no artwork is shown (and on some wellknow artist its missing as well). Moment evidently finds its own artwork for the artist, since its not whats shown in iTunes.

Prompt answer from BeoCare <bogo@mailgb.custhelp.com>:

Regarding your missing "artist artwork", then we are sorry to say that this can not manually be embedded. These pictures and this information is controlled Gracenote.
However if you can provide me with some specific information about which artists whose artwork is missing, some names and pictures would be great.
Then we shall pass on the information and hopefully they will be integrated into the BeoSound Moment.

 

 

 

 

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Facel replied on Thu, Feb 12 2015 10:32 AM

I have sent you a Pm about this problem

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Facel replied on Thu, Feb 12 2015 10:40 AM

Hiort:

Regarding your missing "artist artwork", then we are sorry to say that this can not manually be embedded. These pictures and this information is controlled Gracenote.

Does that mean that Gracenote knows what music do you have /or listen to ? ???   

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Hiort:

"A.MEM" to start the Bluetooth input on Moment

Hi Hiort,

have you tried 'pushing' something (via Bluetooth connection) to the Moment/BV11 not turned on/in standby?

See (or rather hear) what happens!

MM

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Hiort replied on Thu, Feb 12 2015 10:47 AM

Facel:

Does that mean that Gracenote knows what music do you have /or listen to ? ???   

I guess Moment is getting the index over my music library from my NAS. Then it matches the artist name towards Gracenote database, to get artwork to display in "artist view". That artwork is not available in the library.

I have asked the question if Moment pick also the album artwork from Gracenote. It may be so that Moment checks with Gracenote if there is no albumart in the metadata it receives from the NAS.

So, to answer your question: Yes, but Gracenote do not know who you are.

 

 

 

 

 

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Facel replied on Thu, Feb 12 2015 10:59 AM

Hiort:

So, to answer your question: Yes, but Gracenote do not know who you are.

 

They simply  know your Ip Adress   Hmm  

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manitou replied on Thu, Feb 12 2015 11:26 AM

@ hiort

normaly the dlna server first looks into the subfolder where the artists album is stored. there he searches a file named folder.jpg or cover.jpg. this file contains the artwork of the artists album. 

if there is no such file found, he searches in the internet.

 

you could manually put such a file into the appropriate folder. in case the artwork is not found automaticly or you want a special own artwork:

wether by searching the internet, scan a cd-lp cover or take a picture with your camera.

this way it works for my bv 11 and it should work the same way for moment.

 

grüße horst

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lonfred replied on Thu, Feb 12 2015 12:34 PM
Thanks for your explonation. Perhaps there is someone else here that knows if the moment takes N-Radio and N-music comands from the ML link via the ML/NL converter?
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mbolo01 replied on Thu, Feb 12 2015 12:40 PM

Hiort:

However, since I was so quick with getting the Moment into place and configured, I did not notice the note in the box saying that Moments manufactured before Feb x had to be factory reset. Otherwise the Moment is pointed at the wrong Beocare server and software download will not work.

I knew I missed some steps :-) as I never read manuals .... My update function not behaving correctly, I know why now tks

fyi:

- WiFi setup does not support hidden SSID

- sometimes text Is displayed in Spanish for those who have set the locale to French/France

- RCA line in needs pushing the source to a much higher volume than through the Transmitter 1 RCA

 

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Seems that Deezer Elite is going global (for Sonos) next month.

http://thenextweb.com/media/2015/02/10/deezer-elites-high-quality-music-streaming-service-going-global/

Will BS Moment owners benefit from this upgrade (some day in near future)?

If yes ------ who need locally stored music anymore?

No more fiddling with missing metadata and/or coverpics anymore Smile

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mbolo01:

- RCA line in needs pushing the source to a much higher volume than through the Transmitter 1 RCA

Could you explain that a bit - I do not understand what you mean (speaking of the Moment)???

MM

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Hiort replied on Thu, Feb 12 2015 12:50 PM

manitou:

@ hiort

normaly the dlna server first looks into the subfolder where the artists album is stored. there he searches a file named folder.jpg or cover.jpg. this file contains the artwork of the artists album. 

if there is no such file found, he searches in the internet.

 

you could manually put such a file into the appropriate folder. in case the artwork is not found automaticly or you want a special own artwork:

wether by searching the internet, scan a cd-lp cover or take a picture with your camera.

this way it works for my bv 11 and it should work the same way for moment.

 

grüße horst

Thanks,

Almost all my files are MP4 files and handled with iTunes.

EDIT:

iTunes stores the coverart in a separate file, so I assume Moment is pulling nearly all my coverart from Gracenote.

What I understand from B&O is that Moment first look for Album-art from the NAS, and if not found there look at Gracenote.

 

 

 

 

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Hiort replied on Thu, Feb 12 2015 1:23 PM

Millemissen:

mbolo01:

- RCA line in needs pushing the source to a much higher volume than through the Transmitter 1 RCA

Could you explain that a bit - I do not understand what you mean (speaking of the Moment)???

MM

May mean that the Moment is less sensitive than Transmitter 1, when it comes to out sensing the input. Or?

 

 

 

 

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mbolo01 replied on Thu, Feb 12 2015 1:28 PM

Millemissen:

mbolo01:

- RCA line in needs pushing the source to a much higher volume than through the Transmitter 1 RCA

Could you explain that a bit - I do not understand what you mean (speaking of the Moment)???

MM

I have an A/V amp pre-out connected to the RCA Line In

With the Tr1, a volume of 30 out of 99 was a good default baseline 

With the Moment, a volume of 90 out of 99 + 10dB gain set for digital sources in the A/V configuration gives an equivalent baseline

Hope it is clearer

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manitou replied on Thu, Feb 12 2015 1:39 PM

"What I understand from B&O is that Moment first look for Album-art from the NAS, and if not found there look at Gracenote."

 

@ hiort

that is what i wanted to say, and therefor you can manually paste the artfile into the right folder or embed it into the soundfile.

 

mp4 is a apple file format based on mp3, in case of sound.

 

i do not know if albumart is included; nor if moment could read this format.

 

you can convert all your mp4 soundfiles within i tunes into mp3 format, and then easily check if a picture is included.

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mbolo01:

Millemissen:

mbolo01:

- RCA line in needs pushing the source to a much higher volume than through the Transmitter 1 RCA

Could you explain that a bit - I do not understand what you mean (speaking of the Moment)???

MM

I have an A/V amp pre-out connected to the RCA Line In

With the Tr1, a volume of 30 out of 99 was a good default baseline 

With the Moment, a volume of 90 out of 99 + 10dB gain set for digital sources in the A/V configuration gives an equivalent baseline

Hope it is clearer

You probably know, that you have three different 'gain options' for the line-in of the Moment?

MM

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mbolo01 replied on Thu, Feb 12 2015 1:58 PM

Millemissen:

You probably know, that you have three different 'gain options' for the line-in of the Moment?

MM

Yes, I've tried without feeling much difference

i have reported to B&O, waiting for an answer that I'll share here

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vlohjr1 replied on Thu, Feb 12 2015 2:41 PM
For those with mk1 essence who wants to upgrade to the mk2 essence for full multiroom functionality: if you buy a pair of speakers or the moment or the a9 mk2 a new mk2 essence white box comes free of charge in June 2015

Looks like moment is not a prerequisite for multiroom

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I would not say so!

But only the Essence 2. Generation will work within a NL-multiroom setup.

Note: you will only have to upgrade the 'hide-away box', you can keep the 'wheely'.

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Millemissen:

I would not say so!

....

Note: you will only have to upgrade the 'hide-away box', you can keep the 'wheely'.

MM

?? Confused the box of BeoSound Essence is not available alone.

The wheel is included.

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Hiort replied on Thu, Feb 12 2015 6:48 PM
Millemissen:

Hi Hiort,

have you tried 'pushing' something (via Bluetooth connection) to the Moment/BV11 not turned on/in standby?

See (or rather hear) what happens!

MM

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I tried and it does not work. Nothing happens. When I press A.MEM that I have configured for Bluetooth the music switch on.

 

 

 

 

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As I asked 'my friend' to test that 5-6 weks ago, he told me that sending audio from a Bluetooth device (which of course has to be paired with the Moment before) would cause the BV (if it is the output of the Moment) to turn on from scratch.

This and the line-in should behave so - auto-sensing!

N.B. This only works with the proper Quick-start timer settings.

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BeoBoy68:

?? Confused the box of BeoSound Essence is not available alone.

The wheel is included.

Which does not mean, that it could not change - at least for an introduction period.

We'll see!

MM

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Hiort replied on Thu, Feb 12 2015 9:09 PM
Millemissen:

As I asked 'my friend' to test that 5-6 weks ago, he told me that sending audio from a Bluetooth device (which of course has to be paired with the Moment before) would cause the BV (if it is the output of the Moment) to turn on from scratch.

This and the line-in should behave so - auto-sensing!

N.B. This only works with the proper Quick-start timer settings.

MM

EDIT: It works exactly as you say. Very neat.Smile

 

 

 

 

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mbolo01 replied on Fri, Feb 13 2015 6:58 AM

Hiort:

 

Over night the Moment appear to have indexed my iTunes library on my Synology NAS. I´m using the built in media server on the NAS.

I slept very well, but my Moment seems to have done the same instead of importing my music collection ... no album, nor a track from my DLNA source that I can identify (Synology DS212J) .... I can see the IP address of the SoundHeart in the Device Lists from the NAS Media Server application.

I have changed some DLNA settings, we will see, maybe I've not been patient enough for the large collection I have, but a better progress status indicator is missing on the beast!

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Hiort replied on Fri, Feb 13 2015 7:19 AM

mbolo01:

I slept very well, but my Moment seems to have done the same instead of importing my music collection ... no album, nor a track from my DLNA source that I can identify (Synology DS212J) .... I can see the IP address of the SoundHeart in the Device Lists from the NAS Media Server application.

I have changed some DLNA settings, we will see, maybe I've not been patient enough for the large collection I have, but a better progress status indicator is missing on the beast!

Maybe stupid question, but have you activated the built in Media Server on the NAS?

 

 

 

 

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mbolo01 replied on Fri, Feb 13 2015 7:32 AM

Hiort:

Maybe stupid question, but have you activated the built in Media Server on the NAS?

Always good to ask, yes I have Media Server up and running, other DLNA players can see it (just tested with a Sony TV)

I just relaunched the DLNA setup on the Moment and the scan was fast in fact, but no music .... I have to dig more I guess. Always challenging :-)

 

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Hiort replied on Fri, Feb 13 2015 7:42 AM

mbolo01:

Hiort:

Maybe stupid question, but have you activated the built in Media Server on the NAS?

Always good to ask, yes I have Media Server up and running, other DLNA players can see it (just tested with a Sony TV)

I just relaunched the DLNA setup on the Moment and the scan was fast in fact, but no music .... I have to dig more I guess. Always challenging :-)

 

Spooky. Mine worked flawless (apart from some missing artwork). Do you have your itunes library on the NAS, or just audio files stored in your own structure? I guess Moment need the following files structure: MUSIC/artist/album/

 

 

 

 

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mbolo01 replied on Fri, Feb 13 2015 8:48 AM

Hiort:

Spooky. Mine worked flawless (apart from some missing artwork). Do you have your itunes library on the NAS, or just audio files stored in your own structure? I guess Moment need the following files structure: MUSIC/artist/album/

The DMA service should manage the music index and present it to the client that should not worry about the directory structure underneath. I'm wondering if the locale settings are not an issue here too, What regional setting is your NAS configured with?

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