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Steph replied on Thu, Feb 5 2015 1:56 PM

Thanks Chris ! Yes - thumbs up

Apparently, the BeoMaster 5 as a NAS isn't a great idea.

What a pity, my idea was to connect a BM5 (which is connected now to a BeoSound 5) to a Moment ! Sad

So, i think i'm going to use the Moment as a stand alone sound system in my lounge, connected to a pair of wireless B&O speakers and to a NAS.

Now, the question is : Which NAS ?

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Chris replied on Thu, Feb 5 2015 2:44 PM

Steph:

Apparently, the BeoMaster 5 as a NAS isn't a great idea.

Dont' understand me wrong, it perfectly works with a Beomaster 5. When you play an album from start it gives you smooth listening. Only when you swipe to another album and try to starts a particular song, it takes a delay of seconds before you hear that song.

Having a large collection of albums at home in iTunes playing from a server, swiping to another album & song gives me an immediate listening. That was the thing that nerves me on the Beomaster/ Moment combo. But it could be different in using Beomaster at home. The shop has one extensive network, other things could slow the load between Moment & Beomaster. Could be the reason why B&O recommend a separately network for their NL.

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Steph replied on Thu, Feb 5 2015 3:09 PM

OK Chris, thanks.

My collection of music albums is not very large (circa 400 albums in WMA, FLAC, MP3 320).

Maybe with an access point it could do the trick. Wink

Can you confirm that the Moment can play the WMA Lossless files ? I think a BeoWorlder said it can do the conversion "on the fly", because in the specs it can't read WMA Lossless.

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Chris replied on Thu, Feb 5 2015 3:15 PM

Steph,

Here are the specs:

AUDIO FORMATS
MP3 (all) or VBR / CBR 32 -> 320kbit
WMA, both VBR and CBR 20 -> 320kbit (No support for WMA Lossless)
AAC (ISO and ADTS) -> 320kbit
ALAC general + 88.2, 96 kHz
PCM (WAV) general + 88.2, 96 kHz
FLAC, 8-96 kHz, 16 or 24 bits, 2 channels

No problem to convert your WMA files yourself, use XLD for it. (its free)

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Aussie Michael:

It's great on the B&O website that they are incorporating "how to use" the product. I mentioned this months ago as something missing but would be great to see.

Well done B&O

Do you mean the second video clip ?

(Both stalled and stuttered for me today)

@Chris: thank you for your excellent report.

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1/ the currently free/ include one year subscription to Deezer - a big saving ?

2/ the combo deal of oak moment with oak bl18s - a big saving ?

3a/ the support for more than 2 speakers ... 2 wired, the rest wireless - this must be simultaneously always on ?

3b/ Can you independently switch them on / up / down / mute / off ?

3c/ Is this a starter kit / poor man's multi-room party mode ?

4/ finally, the link to Twonky licences under B&O - another big saving ?

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BeoBoy68 replied on Thu, Feb 5 2015 10:59 PM

Steffen:

Hmm - what do you think of this..?

 

Very nice projet created allready in 2012 for LG's smartphone.

The black station speaker is very well integrated with the phone.

The BeoSound Moment should look like this in black purity color.

 

It is a real "boom" box Yes - thumbs up

 

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Carolpa replied on Sat, Feb 7 2015 11:05 AM

setup 1:

Moment connected to BV11 + speakers on BV11 + NL/ML converter + ML: music only local on BV11

setup 2:

Moment connected to NL/ML converter + speakers on converter+ BV11 + ML: music only local NL/ML connected speakers AND ML

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lano replied on Sat, Feb 7 2015 2:51 PM
Carolpa:

setup 2:

Moment connected to NL/ML converter + speakers on converter+ BV11 + ML: music only local NL/ML connected speakers AND ML

Can you access a ML source on the BV11 with this setup?
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I don't think you need such a complex setup. Connect between the Moment and Beovision should work out of the box. No converters needed.

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Chris replied on Sat, Feb 7 2015 3:16 PM

Carolpa:

setup 1:

Moment connected to BV11 + speakers on BV11 + NL/ML converter + ML: music only local on BV11

setup 2:

Moment connected to NL/ML converter + speakers on converter+ BV11 + ML: music only local NL/ML connected speakers AND ML

We have to wait for a software solution in summer, before this problem is fixed and you can use both ML & NL( or more then one) at the same time.

But there is one thing I have not tested in the shop this week, its making playlist from your music files on your nas. How easy is this on the Moment. I mean organise songs from different albums on the nas and mix them to one playlist.

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Carolpa replied on Sat, Feb 7 2015 3:25 PM

PhilLondon:
I don't think you need such a complex setup. Connect between the Moment and Beovision should work out of the box. No converters needed.

true, but I was trying the possibilities.......... and maybe people are interested what with ML

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It should work with ML/NL converter without having to do any trick.

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I don't think this is a 'problem', that 'has to be fixed'.

It is a feature, that will be rolled out this summer.

Nice addition/upgrade to the Moment (and the Converter etc...).

The only 'problem' I see here is, that some people just can't wait for this to happen Smile

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My understanding is that it is working today.

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Got mine today.

Spent a few happy hours setting it up with Avant 55 and connected speakers.

Very happy customer at the moment!!

Can select other V1's, but only one at a time and appreciate that multi room is on its way.

Haven't tried ML/NL yet…….

Value for money……fantastic!!

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tobeyone:

Very happy customer at the moment!!

Mike

Finally, the first client who seems happy ! Stick out tongue

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mbolo01 replied on Sat, Feb 7 2015 10:05 PM

Mine is running since 4hours .... Happy too!

I'll report my findings once I'm fully configured (Deezer, TuneIn configured so far, using Metadatics to properly configure my 31K tunes before disclosing them to the Moment)

 

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Found this link that explain how to use the Moment with a Beo4 or Beoremote One.

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Any news about controlling the Moment with the Beo6??? Unsure
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Is it vanity to reply to one's own questions ?

I have had some 3 plays at the Collins Street store with the moment, and I revisited them today with a list of questions after a day of research into iTunes playlists and Twonky ... answers that I have are in bold

elephant:

@Chris: thank you for your excellent report.

General questions/ comments:

1/ the currently free/ include one year subscription to Deezer - a big saving ?

???

2/ the combo deal of oak moment with oak bl18s - a big saving ?

???

3a/ the support for more than 2 speakers ... 2 wired, the rest wireless - this must be simultaneously always on ?

yes - two all speakers as pairs of left + right

3b/ Can you independently switch them on / up / down / mute / off ?

I suspect they would chant the Three Musketeers' motto 

3c/ Is this a starter kit / poor man's multi-room party mode ?

seems so ... at least until the mid-year upgrades

4/ finally, the link to Twonky licences under B&O - another big saving ?

seems not ... standard Twonky licence is relatively small

My general findings are that the Moment's mood play may struggle for my family, with seven music personalities loaded into our iTunes library.

However the Moment as sold may suit my wife ... but perhaps not me (although I have yet to have a serious hands on play with the store's BeoMusic App).

 

One thing I have discovered is that the iTunes playlists (and there are three styles: static, dynamic, and smart) are not picked up by Twonky -- you need to have a tool to export from iTunes database/XML into *.m3u playlist format.

 

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Chris replied on Mon, Feb 9 2015 9:48 AM

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1/ the currently free/ include one year subscription to Deezer - a big saving ?

??? What's a big saving? 9,99 euro's a month for Deezer and currently if your a first user, the first 30 days for free! After a year a once pay of 99 euro/year (you get this reduction if you pay with Mister Cash).

2/ the combo deal of oak moment with oak bl18s - a big saving ?

??? nothing of this in my country, no deals for me!

You are absolutely right about no multiroom yet. But call it a poor man's, no. Its easy to swap between sources you send the music to. But indeed for the full option or easy way it is a wait until summer. Or maybe earlier if they make a good sell, that will keep pressure on them.

Twonky is indeed not such a big bargain, only 14,95 euro for a lifetime licence (hopefully).

I forgot to test playlist or how they are placed on the Moment  easily from an existing iTunes playlist. And that's a thing of interest, could spare someone a bunch of work. I give my dealer a call today, how could I forgot this very important question.

Mood play, I have my thinking of it, as you say if the family is big...

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elephant:

My general findings are that the Moment's mood play may struggle for my family, with seven music personalities loaded into our iTunes library.

However the Moment as sold may suit my wife ... but perhaps not me (although I have yet to have a serious hands on play with the store's BeoMusic App).

The guy, who I visited 5-6 weeks ago - he who made some testing on the Moment -  told me, that the issue 'multi-user accounts' had been slightly addressed, but not implemented into the software.

From a certain point of view this would be nice to have, but on the other hand it would contradict the easiness and the simplicity of the user interface.

Personally I don't think 'multiple accounts' will happen!

 

At one time during testing he had removed the Moment from the setup (with the BV11) in their living room.

His wife asked him several times, when that thing would come back again - she missed it/had gotten used to it simply being there.

That speaks for it self!  

Maybe we should take our wives with us to the shop - could make the decision for a Moment faster Smile

I would - like you probably would - be a bit more interested in, what one can do with the BeoMusic app.

 

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Hiort replied on Mon, Feb 9 2015 12:59 PM

Can anyone tell if Moment send any of its sources out on a ML system (incl NL/ML Converter)?

As mentioned in another thread, I have removed my Audiomaster and intend to replace it with Moment.

I´m afraid I will not be able to play Moment sources from my BL3500.

/C

 

 

 

 

 

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Please have a look at the link to the FAQ's, that Phil provided just above.

Probably only the sources, that are reachable with the Beo4....

.... unless they release a new software for the BL3500 (which probably won't be).

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Carolpa replied on Mon, Feb 9 2015 2:17 PM

Hiort:

Can anyone tell if Moment send any of its sources out on a ML system (incl NL/ML Converter)?

As mentioned in another thread, I have removed my Audiomaster and intend to replace it with Moment.

I´m afraid I will not be able to play Moment sources from my BL3500.

/C

 

For the moment you have the choice: 1) Moment connected to the BV11 then only music on the BV11 or 2) connected to the NL/ML converter than music from the converter (if speakers are connected to the converter) and music on your ML.

1) + 2) are official not possible for the moment (update later this year should make this possible). With a trick: connect the PL of the Moment to the Line In of the NL/ML converter then it should be possible to hear music on your complete system.

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.... but not to choose a specific source (of the Moment).

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stijndc replied on Mon, Feb 9 2015 3:19 PM
I am curious which stands B&O will offer for the Moment... Anyone news?

Just received answer from STB brackets:

"We have an agreed design for a wall mount.

The design was approved by Denmark on Friday and so we have only been able to start work today.

It will be three or four weeks, unfortunately, before we see anything that we can sell.

I also proposed a floor stand but that has definitely been refused and will not be available"

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Just be carefull when you put the Jukebox back on the wall-shelved SoundHeart Unsure

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Hiort replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 11:52 AM

Can anyone confirm if it works okay to have another media server for iTunes on a NAS than Twonky?

I have a Synology NAS DS-212J and the built in Media Server.

I did tests last night where I shared my iTunes music folder using the Media Server on my NAS, and my BV11 (H.MEDIA) picks it up including coverart. Could not play apple lossless, but that´s not supported in the BV11 I assume.

I´m not sure how I would install Twonky on the Synology NAS. 

 

 

 

 

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mbolo01 replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 12:48 PM

Hiort:

Can anyone confirm if it works okay to have another media server for iTunes on a NAS than Twonky?

I have a Synology NAS DS-212J and the built in Media Server.

I did tests last night where I shared my iTunes music folder using the Media Server on my NAS, and my BV11 (H.MEDIA) picks it up including coverart. Could not play apple lossless, but that´s not supported in the BV11 I assume.

I´m not sure how I would install Twonky on the Synology NAS. 

Hiort - I'll tell you in a couple of days. I have the Moment and the same Synology device. Just finishing metadata cleanup an I'll add the NAS as a source. The Synology Media server will do the job, there is no doubt

 

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Hiort replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 1:22 PM

mbolo01:

Hiort - I'll tell you in a couple of days. I have the Moment and the same Synology device. Just finishing metadata cleanup an I'll add the NAS as a source. The Synology Media server will do the job, there is no doubt

Great! I will pick up my Moment this afternoon Smile

When you say "metadata cleanup", don´t you have your music in iTunes?

 

 

 

 

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Facel replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 1:43 PM

You probably do not need to install the Twonky software on your Synology as the DLNA implementation should be sufficient. (indexing , embedded cover art and moving track should work properly with Synology version)

back in 2008 I did installed Twonky on my DS107+   because it had a better  dlna implementation than the synology one 

you need to have basic skills in Linux to acheive that, and the maintenance is not so simple

Today I do not use twonky anymore ... but how knows ?

 

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mbolo01 replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 1:59 PM

Hiort:

When you say "metadata cleanup", don´t you have your music in iTunes?

I do have my NAS music initially organized by iTunes, but I found many discrepancies in type of music setup, cover missing for some tracks, artist name not written consistently, etc ... which is normal after 5 years and more than 31000 tracks, so I have preferred to clean the shop before letting the Moment play with it, fair isn't it ? :-)

what im curious about is (1) the time it will take to digest the full library (2) the time to reflect any change in the library, a mystery for now. 

My reseller told me that integrating his 4000 tunes was reasonably fast, we will see ...

 

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Hiort replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 2:21 PM

mbolo01:

Hiort:

When you say "metadata cleanup", don´t you have your music in iTunes?

I do have my NAS music initially organized by iTunes, but I found many discrepancies in type of music setup, cover missing for some tracks, artist name not written consistently, etc ... which is normal after 5 years and more than 31000 tracks, so I have preferred to clean the shop before letting the Moment play with it, fair isn't it ? :-)

what im curious about is (1) the time it will take to digest the full library (2) the time to reflect any change in the library, a mystery for now. 

My reseller told me that integrating his 4000 tunes was reasonably fast, we will see ...

 

Sure, makes sence. My library is not as big and quite tidy Smile

 

 

 

 

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StUrrock replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 3:22 PM

Must admit I'm growing to like the Moment more and more.................

 

Just would love  a true search function.

 

Maybe I should listen to my wife more. My good lady said I'm like the Beosound Moment, she wasn't impressed with me at first, but now she knows all my qualities (good and bad) she cant live without me Smile

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Sal replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 3:52 PM

mbolo01:

what im curious about is (1) the time it will take to digest the full library (2) the time to reflect any change in the library, a mystery for now. 

My reseller told me that integrating his 4000 tunes was reasonably fast, we will see ...

I'm interested in the above as well, especially #2. I've got a rather large 150+GB Music library on my personal Mac, and then another similar one on the Family Server (with movies on it as well), obviously the Moment won't deal with movies, but still, changes to my libraries occur every couple of weeks across multiple libraries -- so I'm curious how often the Moment reaches out to the mother ship to pull that new information. 

I can envision a scenario like this: The Moment is done organizing all the media in your home libraries. Immediately after it is done, you delete a few songs from one of your libraries. You or another family member then opt to play that song from the moment. What does the moment do, when it tries to access that newly deleted song, or would that song just not appear as a selectable option immediately after it has been deleted?

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elephant replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 3:56 PM
@STUrrock

Nice wife.

Doesn't the beomusic app give you the better search function ?

@Hiort

I believe the Twonky for iTunes is when the access to the tracks us via Mac OSX -- And not the NAS based solutions.

You will not get the iTunes playlists (I believe) as they are stored away from the tracks.

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I take it the Moment will automatically upgrade to this better service?

http://www.whathifi.com/news/deezer-elite-deezer-and-sonos-confirm-uk-launch-march-19th?utm_medium=EMAIL&utm_campaign=Enews%20bulletins&utm_content=article_5_read_more&utm_source=20150211

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Facel replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 4:33 PM

Sal:

I can envision a scenario like this: The Moment is done organizing all the media in your home libraries. Immediately after it is done, you delete a few songs from one of your libraries. You or another family member then opt to play that song from the moment. What does the moment do, when it tries to access that newly deleted song, or would that song just not appear as a selectable option immediately after it has been deleted?

To my undestanding the Moment is a DLNA Renderer,  in this way it should only access the files on your DLNA server and (very probably) index locally the Metadata (artist name, song name, song track , etc ...  in order to be as fast as possible

If you delete a file on your DLNA server the Index file(s) on the moment should be update localy and the album should desappear from you list 

That does not change the need to organise correctly yours albums on your Server and also to have a correct Embebeded metadata of each audio file (ex: you can have different artist names for a same artist like "The Beatles" or "Beatles (The)" depending on how the initial tag has been done..

 

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Sal replied on Wed, Feb 11 2015 4:39 PM

Facel:

If you delete a file on your DLNA server the Index file(s) on the moment should be update localy and the album should desappear from you list 

Thanks, so that implies that changes are immediately noticed by the Moment, and the Moment's local index should update immediately as well.

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