Cars: Fact or Fiction?

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Mr10Percent wrote:
That said, once one commits to spending above X-amount on a car, the principle use of the car (getting reliably and safely from A to B) becomes superflous and transforms into a pleasure device who's purpose (and incremental value) is in the eye of the beholder (or owner).

Some very interesting posts here and thank you.

The above in a way encapsulates what I was attempting to describe, contrast and question.

The pragmatic approach of the engineer, in that because cars are CAD/CAN designed & manufactured, produced by robots and have to satisfy similar safety standards etc, the ulimate (parts) quality, and hence also reliability of a car should be broadly the same, regardless of brand.

Contrasted with the approach of the car enthusiast, and brand 'perceptions' that say that a Mercedes for example is a much 'better' car than say a Toyota.

Beyond personal opinion, is there any way to qualify 'better' in this instance?

Not that I can tell. 

Certainly a Mercedes will give you more comfort than the Toyota; a BMW more sportiness yet again, and so on and so forth, but as to the sheer quality of parts such as say gearboxes, engines, differentials, and body shell components, whether there is really somthing better on offer from the more expensive brands, I really don't know as there is so little objective information to be found on such matters.  

Cars sell on acceleration times, fuel consumption, style, safety features, and features generally etc, along with notions of exclusivity and prestige with certain brands, but at a fundamental engineering level, it seems very difficult to discern any meaningful differences as regards basic engineering/component quality between them.  As an example, a 'common garden' Ford Falcon here, uses the  same ZF auto as found in a 5 series BMW as well as other 'prestige' brands.   Early 190 Mercedes sourced their springs from BHP steel in Australia.....

I used to own Naim Audio, on the basis of it's superior design and sound quality over alleged 'lessor' mainstream products; at the end of the day, it was outdone by ES Sony - a sound that was closer to the original  tenets of HiFi - that of the closest approach to the original sound, - and with an interior/exterior build quality, and parts list that exceeded the 'quality' of the Naim.  I see a loose parallel here between 'prestige' motor vehicles and so called 'high end' audio... perceptions...can be exceedingly deceptive in lieu of facts.

My thinking at this stage, is that prestige brands of automobiles, like so called 'high end' HiFi, are in fact just so called luxury goods, where one is paying more for certain qualities seen as being desirable over and above the basics - performance, comfort, style etc, and that at the end of the day, my pragmatic engineering friend may be more or less on the money with his views.

Not that there is anything wrong with having luxury goods! - I would much rather drive a Mercedes than his Nissan, and I'd rather own B&O than ES Sony - but as to the actual verifiable quality being any better, I am in serious doubt at this stage.

Looking forward to being proven incorrect in this present thought/assumption though!

Best Regards

John... 😐

 

 

Hi, 

  I wish to add my bit here. I am qualified to give an opinion on this, Lee said exactly what I would say "either German or Japanese" 

 

Japanese cars are built to the finest tolerations in the motor industry, this means a more reliable engine and also mean more economical.  The Germans aren't far behind they use thicker gauge metals so they generally weigh more than there japanese counterparts, Mercedes up to the late 80's made some of the best cars you could buy. They tried to cut costs and went to far and have never recovered, this may have something to do with Damler chrystler partnership!  

 

Italian cars are some of the most stunning cars out there, but they just seem to be unreliable and prone to wear. 

 

So what are the worst, American & british cars!  Land rover are terrible in terms of assembly, they have a sick bay in the plant to rectify any defects and it is teeming with cars with issues!  The older rolls royce and Bentley's are a complete one off so another panel from another bentley most possibly will not fit another bentley. They have a stringent gapping process but due to the tolerence levels a door on one car could be 3-4mm shorter than another!  VW has raised these levels and brought them in line with modern standards, the same for rolls with bmw!

I have been reading "Borkmann's Point" (a Swedish murder mystery) and I was amused by a section today where the DCI is driving an old Opel because he chose to upgrade its stereo system rather than spend the money buying a new car ....

The car was a means of transport. The music was a luxury. No doubt about which ought to be given priority.

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