Millemissen wrote:

Puncher wrote:

My expectation is that 99% of sound bar customers will have zero external speakers, let alone 8.

I think a mains out connection from the tv itself is probably more useful to a sound bar customers than wisa.

Sure, that is possible - with a modern HDMI/ARC solution.

But that would mean that the decoding (of he Dolby Atmos stream) would have to take place in the soundbar.

However, the new thing about the coming LG tv’s is, that they can do the decoding (up to 8 channels) internally and output these......

....but only wireless (using WiSA). 

That is the whole point of the WiSA Ready specs of these tv’s.

 

A direct cabled solution will not be possible, if you want to benefit from Dolby Atmos there.

You won’t have the opportunity to use cabled speakers or a mix of cabled and wireless there.

Neither to a 7.1.2 soundbar nor to seperate, external (B&O or maybe LG) active speakers in a 7.1.2 configuration.

NB. for a Dolby Atmos soundbar (including a sub) you will always need the 8 possible connections, when used with these coming LG tv’s.

You can do with less - but that won’t give you any Atmos.

MM

As you wish, I've lost interest. You must have a PhD in Attrition! I can only think that you must have emptied hundreds of bars in your time.

I will agree the bang and Olufsen is the better TV but the software problems still peeaist and they are no longer going to produce TV's after 2020, it make hard to justify spending that amount of money for me they are discontinuig the parts of the older equipment so quickly now 

Millemissen wrote:

......And WiSA can be a convenient way of connecting a soundbar to a tv - no cables apart from the powercord.....no more no less!.....

Howzit wrote:

Millemissen wrote:

 

......And WiSA can be a convenient way of connecting a soundbar to a tv - no cables apart from the powercord.....no more no less!.....

 

 

Yes, other than power wires... they are wireless, of course. 👍😂😁😕

 

(Reminds me of all buzz about cutting the cord (digital cable) and going for Streaming services. Indeed, cutting the cord, other than the coaxial cord you literally need to bring the internet to the modem, the same coaxial cord that was always there for cable tv. Then paying more, for each subsequent streaming service, on top of an internet service provider)

 

I agree with you, this is the age of marketing and spin.

 

Still interesting to me though; is that if the main vehicle for this Atmos is a soundbar under the tv, why would one need the convenience of wireless (wireless other than power wires that is)?

 

Wouldn’t one just be able to use a very short wire from the tv just above it? Tucked along with the power wire the wireless speaker needs anyway?

Good Luck!

Howzit wrote:

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Still interesting to me though; is that if the main vehicle for this Atmos is a soundbar under the tv, why would one need the convenience of wireless (wireless other than power wires that is)?

Wouldn’t one just be able to use a very short wire from the tv just above it? Tucked along with the power wire the wireless speaker needs anyway?

That is exactly the point.

The processing of the (Atmos) sound takes place in the tv (because the LG tv’s can do that).

The soundbar is merely a combination of speakers (and some DSP stuff) in that case.

So the soundbar is not the ‘main vehicle for this Atmos’!

Since there is only one way of getting the processed sound signals from the LG tv - which is wireless (using the USB dongle),

You won’t need any cables....in fact you can not use a cable/a wire.

And....one powercord goes to the tv (maybe also a coax cable for rv signals) and another to the soundbar, because the speakers are active speakers.

This principle would be the same, if you had external speakers all around - only difference is that you would need a power cable for each speaker.

Sidenote: on an LG tv (this is similar on all other non-B&O tv) you can use one wire - either an SPDIF-out or a HDMI/RC for connecting to a soundbar.

SPDIF however would not allow for carrying the Atmos stream. HDMI/ARC could - but then the processing should take place in the soundbar.

And the whole point of having an LG tv with WiSA based wireless Dolby Atmos audio is to avoid this!

MM

Becomes LG Innotek concept a Wireless transmitter featuring USB 3.1 C SuperSpeed plus interface.
So the theoretical speed limit doubles from 5 to 10 Gbps, corresponding to 1,250 MB / s.

MM:

"Sidenote: on an LG tv (this is similar on all other non-B&O tv) you can use one wire - either an SPDIF-out or a HDMI/RC for connecting to a soundbar.

SPDIF however would not allow for carrying the Atmos stream. HDMI/ARC could - but then the processing should take place in the soundbar.

Processing COULD take place in sound bar, but doesn't have to, does it? If you connect LG TV to LG sound bar, no reason they could not configure the TV (with Atmos built-in) to see the sound bar (also with Atmos built-in) as static and use WISA for satellites. B&O does this today, doesn't it? You could put a CAT6 connector for speaker between them, correct?

And the whole point of having an LG tv with WiSA based wireless Dolby Atmos audio is to avoid this!"

I would say it is an alternative and not the sole reason. It gives you options, B&O and other WISA included. It is a high resolution alternative than the current bluetooth for satellite speakers on the LG soundbar. Maybe LG won't make WISA "respectable" in many people's eyes but it might make it popular. If the rumour B&O soundbar comes to fruition I hope it will do the audio processing and pass-through video via  HDMI to the TV. Otherwise I fear processor sync issues.   

Peter Pan wrote:

When nothing happened with LG Innotek concept after 2017. It may be because LG found out of somsing  happened.
HDMI 2.1 eARC technology provides new possibilities, such as eARC technology make sure it all can talk together
via the RX Sil9437 chip on the player page, and the TX Sil9438 chip on the TV. With they found eARC will transmit
the full bandwidth for 8 channels with 24-bit in uncompressed 192 khz audio, or control lip sync, and more. But If not
willgo back in regular ARC transmission.

HDMI 2.1 / eARC is maybe ready in LG C9. -

I suspect most if not all of the people who want to shell out b&o sums of money for however many surround sound speakers, b&o or otherwise, will have already found a way to do it to their satisfaction. That being the case I don't believe the LG having wisa is going to prompt a significant increase in speaker sales in the umpty £K range. Any blip generated by the tv will be more likely be in the sub-"play" price range.