It is just a thought, and only in anticipation of not being able to find the spring I need - would it be possible to make my own spring, has anyone done this?

I'm sure I could obtain some thin 'sprung' wire. But what I don't have is an original spring to use as a template.

I have a photo of this spring in situ courtesy of Martin, but does anyone have a photo of this spring on its own, i.e. NOT in situ, so that I may observe it in its entirety and attempt to copy its various kinks and bends as accurately as possible?

Obviously I'd prefer to find an original, particularly because I appreciate this is a precision made component that has the correct compression rate, but making my own is 'possibly' my only chance of being able to complete the renovation of my Beogram.

Is this a silly idea? Any thoughts?

Thank you, Carl

The spring simply provides the return bias to one of the red lever's.The lever is forced by the action of the cam lifting wheel to keep the contacts closed once the relay has initiated the operating cycle.The spring then ensures that the contacts open at the end of the play cycle,switching off the motor.

They are as rare as hens teeth,these day's,but I imagine that you could fabricate something to achieve the desired action.

I'll look through my own stock of treasure as I may have a salvaged relay that still has it's spring in place,but it's along shot!

Nick

The spring simply provides the return bias to one of the red lever's.The lever is forced by the action of the cam lifting wheel to keep the contacts closed once the relay has initiated the operating cycle.The spring then ensures that the contacts open at the end of the play cycle,switching off the motor.

They are as rare as hens teeth,these day's,but I imagine that you could fabricate something to achieve the desired action.

I'll look through my own stock of treasure as I may have a salvaged relay that still has it's spring in place,but it's along shot!

Nick

Hi Nick,

Thank you for that explanation on purpose. I can now fully understand why my turntable, without this spring, is behaving so erratically. Thankfully Martin (Dillen) diagnosed this spring was missing else I would never have known of its existence. Goodness knows when and where this spring was lost, but I'm reasonably certain is wasn't in situ when I started my renovation a few weeks ago. An extremely thorough search without success adds to my feeling that it was probably lost long ago, maybe during a house move etc? (just guessing). I keep looking every day though - it's become an obsession to try and find it.

I agree that it could probably be fabricated and maybe that will be my only option. Hoping a stand alone photo to use as a guide may turn up, unlikely though.

My relay levers are black as opposed to red. I only mention this because the colour may signal a spec change, which in turn may mean there could be minor differences in designs of relay housing and spring - I very much doubt it though.

Thank you for looking through your treasure for me - it is much appreciated.

Rgds, Carl

And Alexs photo in the thread I linked to in your other thread isn't good enough?

/forum/beogram/beogram-1203-relay---assistance-needed

(Click the photo).

Martin

Hello Martin,

Yes the link you provided was extremely helpful and I replied thanking you. I missed the link pointing to Alex's photos that you provided first time around. Not sure if the link was late arriving in the message but for some reason I missed it. You pointed me back to it and I did see the photos and the missing spring - which was extremely helpful and I replied accordingly. I apologised to you for missing the link. I wasn't sure however what this spring actually did but thanks to you I knew it was necessary. 

Subsequently I posted a request for a photo of the whole spring, i.e. as it would appear when not attached to the relay. I only wanted to see how easy or how difficult making one would be. It felt wrong to keep going directly to yourself, only because I can understand how busy you must be with the help you provide others.

I try to reply as courteously as possible to members who offer me help or insight. However, your expertise and experience is evident throughout this site. I have already benefitted a great deal from your input for which I am and remain extremely grateful.

I 'appear' to annoy you and that certainly is not my intention - I hope I am wrong. I am a newbie to this site and to repairing B&O. I appreciate dealing with newbies like me can be frustrating but I have made great progress over the last few weeks. That is thanks to you and other members of this site.

Always my best intentions. Rgds, Carl

Carl wrote:

I 'appear' to annoy you

What?

- Not at all!
If my answers are short and "to the point" or email answers are delayed for a couple of days, it's because I usually have
some 60-80 B&O-related emails in my inbox to answer every day - outside of my 8-16 job, family, housekeeping etc.
When I asked you if Alexs photo wasn't good enough, it was because I would see if I could take a spring from a Beogram and take a better photo if it wasn't.

I already spent more than two hours last night digging through boxes in the dungeons, looking for this spring and about a handful or two of other parts for others.
It's not an easy part to find. It's small and easily overlooked, I don't have everything in the same physical location, and far from all boxes are marked with their contents.
But I am not known to give up.

Martin

Hi Martin, 

I'm very relieved to hear you're not annoyed. I'm not usually a sensitive sole but the brevity of your replies made me wonder. I always suspected you had a lot on your plate and with hindsight I can now see you were querying if you could provide better photos. Please accept my sincere apologies for my misunderstanding. I won't misinterpret again so be as short and to the point as you want.

Thank you for the effort you've put in looking for this spring. I know from my own search how hard it must be, particularly when it is so small and there is no certainty of finding one. 

Your help in restoring my B&O is very much appreciated (truly).

Rgds, Carl

I have a completely broken Beogram 2000 but still this spring is there 😉