What right do we (Europeans) have to criticise?

One might ask the folks at Charlie Hebdo for their opinions as to how well the new immigrants will assimilate.

9 LEE wrote:

[...]  as long as the people who come to live in your country contribute to it, respect its laws and become decent members of that country's society. That's not too much to ask is it?

If you switched on the TV and the news you've only seen messages like "Refugees are super, we need all of them. They are all skilled people like doctors, economists, lawyers, engineers! Everybody speaking negative about them is a Nazi!"

Meanwhile a little more of the other side seems to see the light of the day and even well known german magazines like "Der Spiegel" are reporting about the upcoming and growing problems. It is simply too much and without support of the other european countries this will end in a disaster.

Personally I think that I have an obligation to provide when I'm moving into a new country. I can't emigrate e.g. to Japan and insist on german bureaucracy. ;-)

Maybe the benchmark that was used was wrong as there seem to be enough refugees that don't think like the rest of the european world - which is okay in their country but could get problematic in another country. To be open minded is a good thing as long as BOTH sides are this way.

I think especially in Germany people seem to be frightened simply because of the high numbers of refugees, they fear what will happen to this country, to the neighbourhoods, to the city, schools... everything.

So, this can only work if both sides are willing to work together! :-)

what have you expected ?

11 sep 2001 everybody even little kiddies knew it was an inside job , NOBODY cared

Afghanistan they killed over 1 Million NOOBODY cared, Iraq 3 Millions killed NOBODY cared, Gaza 2 Million refugees due to Israel bombings NOBODY cared, Libya was stable nothing there but they bombed them too NOBODY cared, Syria fake civil war its all about oil and ressources NOBODY cared, Libanon bombed by Israel nobody cared. Now theyre bombing jemen , Nobody cares. BUT NOW everybody CARES because the probles are arrived in front of their doors.

Gatex wrote:

what have you expected ?

11 sep 2001 everybody even little kiddies knew it was an inside job , NOBODY cared

Afghanistan they killed over 1 Million NOOBODY cared, Iraq 3 Millions killed NOBODY cared, Gaza 2 Million refugees due to Israel bombings NOBODY cared, Libya was stable nothing there but they bombed them too NOBODY cared, Syria fake civil war its all about oil and ressources NOBODY cared, Libanon bombed by Israel nobody cared. Now theyre bombing jemen , Nobody cares. BUT NOW everybody CARES because the probles are arrived in front of their fucking doors.

Just about everything done since 9/11 has been wrong or illegal. Even in the current mess in Syria only the Russians have a legal presence (i.e. Invited by the Syrian government). Unfortunately we all bear the consequences of the idiotic decisions made by the fools we elect.

Graham

vikinger wrote:

Just about everything done since 9/11 has been wrong or illegal. Even in the current mess in Syria only the Russians have a legal presence (i.e. Invited by the Syrian government). Unfortunately we all bear the consequences of the idiotic decisions made by the fools we elect.

Graham

The chaos the West has created in other parts of the World makes me cringe, embarassed, angry and sad.

Iraq - run by a despot but relatively stable.  West invade it, topple the leader and decades of chaos and carnage ensue which is worse than it originally was.  What do the West do - leave them to it.

Libya - run by a despot but relatively stable.  West invade it, topple the leader and repeat above.

Syria - run by a despot but relatively stable - West supports a rebellion against a legitimate Government  they don't like, try to topple the leader etc. etc as above.

What do they all have that makes the West interested - OIL (Only It's Limited)

But to the question - what is the European Lifestyle?  Is there one?  I'm not too sure.  The French lifestyle is completely different to the English, the German's completely different to the Italian's.  Under threat from what?  Itself, immigrants, implosion, financial mismanagement by Governments and individuals living on credit they can't afford.

Is everywhere in a mess? - yes, pretty much so from what I can see but most of it self-induced, or created by those trying to interfere in things they should leave well alone purely out of their own interests.

Dave.

Dave Farr wrote:

What do they all have that makes the West interested - OIL

Behold, the Elephant in the room!!

In the Dark and Middle ages crusading against the Middle East was in the name of Christianity.....   Sorry, Gold and Plunder to take home.

In modern times it's all in the name of Democracy......  Sorry, Oil.

The only shred of justification to poke our noses in would be human rights issues of the Governments against their own people, which is, conveniently, the justification used by the West.

Lesson for Arab countries staring them in the face?  Don't give other countries any excuse to get involved in your affairs. Simple. Treat your people properly, conduct yourselves fairly - and watch the countries who want your oil have to pay fair prices for it. 

I don't support the East, or the West - and I'm not vocal on either issue when asked, but common sense could and should be the first thing on any world leaders mind when running a country.  Sadly, many of them are greedy, self serving, plain mad, or puppets.

What future do I see for the World?  A difficult one, but it'll work out. It always does. We're humans, we're survivors.

Lee

9 LEE wrote:

In modern times it's all in the name of Democracy

Correct Lee.  And what gives us democratised societies the rite to impose it on other cultures who pre-date ours?  In all honesty, some cultures do not embrace democracy, don't need it, don't want it.  In fairness, some elements of communism have it right but even communism has been corrupted by the few in power at the top and the Oligarchs - who have actually ditched communism and heavily embraced capitalisation with both hands to gain as much as they can for themselves.  Power leads to greed, selfishness, self-centredness and a host of other evils, whether a Democrat or a communist.

We are already in a difficult place.  East isn't meeting West any more, if anything we are back to a proxy Cold-War with power mad Putin.  The West is really weak at the moment with no agreement on how to handle so many serious issues - Syria, migration, Putin, Crimea/Ukraine, dealing with the other problems we've caused around the world to inspire the so called Islamic State.  Talking of which as we are now onto intollerance - where in the Koran does it say it's OK to execute people arbitrarily, rape women (and men), sacrifice children to kill others, destroy history?  Surely any religion/faith should embrace tolerance and peace.

Gone way off Europe now but it's a good conversation!

Dave.

I read that Lesbos has tens of thousands of life jackets abandoned on the island and they are not sure how to dispose of them..... the question that came into my mind is who sold all of these ?