Jeff wrote:

w5bno123:

 

Your clearly need to be in the 'Mood' to use it.

Like Glenn Miller...

Jeff

Trouble is when I'm in the mood for Glenn Miller the Moment Plays Jake Miller 😕

StUrrock wrote:

Have to agree on the Moment, showing up B&Os software and user interface design problems yet again.

The interface development was outsourced to an agency in the valley. Either the brief was bad, budget too small or the agency under served them. Its funny, because the agency has it as their lead showcase on their own website. Of course they show the hardware rather than what they've developed for it - not surprised.

 

mawheele wrote:

StUrrock wrote:

Have to agree on the Moment, showing up B&Os software and user interface design problems yet again.

The interface development was outsourced to an agency in the valley. Either the brief was bad, budget too small or the agency under served them. Its funny, because the agency has it as their lead showcase on their own website. Of course they show the hardware rather than what they've developed for it - not surprised.

 

Could be a lot of things as you say, the brief being bad, also known as the requirements were poorly written and testing was poorly done is a classic symptom of most companies that have no experience in systems engineering. If you don't do your up front analysis of what you want well, and don't document it well with clear, concise, testable requirements, you're doomed from the start. The typical I can't fully say what I want but I'll know it when you deliver it doesn't really work well.

.... annnndddd we're off on a ramble! 😂

Lee

mawheele wrote:

StUrrock wrote:

Have to agree on the Moment, showing up B&Os software and user interface design problems yet again.

The interface development was outsourced to an agency in the valley. Either the brief was bad, budget too small or the agency under served them. Its funny, because the agency has it as their lead showcase on their own website. Of course they show the hardware rather than what they've developed for it - not surprised.

Or maybe it is just a user interface, that don't fit in with your preferences and needs.

MM

Best product: Beolab 18 and 19.

Worst product (that I have used): EarSet 3i. They broke 3 times within 2 years. The earphones themselves are good but the cable is of the same build quality as free inflight earphones. B&O Should be ashamed of themselves for that. 

9 LEE wrote:

.... annnndddd we're off on a ramble! 😂

Lee

Thread drift...the Brownian motion of the Internet! 😁

9 LEE wrote:

.... annnndddd we're off on a ramble!

Lee

Better than a rumble - which would require moderation.

Anyway if this restricted to 2915 purchases then I've only made two so far which makes the binary chop easy:

Hit = A2 with the daughter-in-law who is now a full time mum

Flop = (a bit harsh) the BeoRemote One in Beo4 Navi mode - I got it as the 90th Anno salute and it is beautiful, but in current mode virtually unusable

If it's an evaluation of the 2015 product line then I would say:

Hit = Avant (which I would buy if there was a Mark II 65")

Hit = Beolab 19 and 20

Bargain = (I know, new category) S8

Miss = (jury out until week 25) Moment upgrade versus Essence II

Flop = marketing, sales staff churn, support/knowledge of anything that's not on the shop floor

Hit: Avant - minimalist design, clean and classy look (wall mount). Perfect picture quality without being artificial.  WISA

Hit: Beolab 19 - Incredible design for a subwoofer and increasing sound quality. Not boomy at all. Performs well with Music sources as well as Video sources. WISA. Well done B&O

Hit: BeoRemote One - Even it's difficult to use in the dark, it's a great device to control whole your system with its shortcuts. Possibliy the best remote ever made. 

Neutral : Beolab 17 - Minimalist design, detailed sound and power. WISA. But the build quality is far away from Beolab 4000. (Plastic side covers etc.) The Bang & Olufsen lettering is up side down if you install the Beolab 17 on the wall with an angle! 

Flop : There is no complete AV system in B&O product range for today's consumer. Samsung, LG etc. all sell 3D Blue Ray players, Harman Kardon sells CD players etc. I know very well that these technologies have no future but company needs turn over today not tomorrow. Many customers going away because there is no product matching to their needs by B&O.I have friends who invested fortune for their TV's but still using their Ouvertures. A system which is covering all customer needs like BR Player, Ripper, Network Device, WiSA, MOTS missing. BS5 ripper device could not be over 1000 Euro in second hand market if I'm wrong! So, my flop is the B&O management with their wrong decision just on AV systems.

By saying this, I also know that it is too late for all. However, we all have CD/DVD/BR collections at home and a system makes life easier to ripp our collections can sell well. 

Millemissen wrote:

Or maybe it is just a user interface, that don't fit in with your preferences and needs.

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

It's not just my opinion people I know who have bought one say the same.