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Hi carolpa,

You have a PM.

Kind regards, Steve.

Hi carolpa,

Sorry for the delayed reply, as I needed to make the other moderators aware of the situation.

I received a request from B&O yesterday to remove a post that contained commercially sensitive information so I had no option but to delete this immediately.  Beoworld has to comply with legal requests and applicable laws.  Ultimately, this site exists to promote our shared love for the B&O brand.  The site moderators work closely with B&O in cases where information has been shared that was only made available to a select group of people (in this case Beta testers, who are most likely under a non-disclosure agreement with B&O).

I apologise for not being able to update the thread in the manner that you suggested, as yesterday was my daughter's exam results day, so I was away from the computer and had to deal with the issue on my phone screen.

Freedom of speech is an important issue and any post deletion is not done lightly.  However, Beoworld needs to ensure that we are not at risk of liability when privileged information is shared in public on our forum.

Thanks for your understanding with this sensitive issue.

Kind regards, Steve.

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Hello,

here's my 1 cent worth (10% of Mr10Percent post! :-) ), based also in similar cases happened in the past.

Even if there is an NDA in place, there is no breach if the information has been already publicly disclosed, regardless if it happened intentionally or unintentionally.

e.g. if someone finds a B&O files for a patent related to a new product, or if B&O is submitting a new product to an electronic appliance authority, or if B&O has unintentionally disclosed pictures (as it happened with the Halo), or if something has been already shared in other social media.

On the flip side, I understand this is a rather small community where sometimes B&O is actively supporting the members, therefore to me it makes sense if they say "hey, please BeoWorld, do not be part of the media that it is propagating our leaks".

As a consequence, it makes some sense that Admins/Mods are limiting the leaks here.

On the other hand the posters have to be considered as members of this community, B&O enthusiasts hungry of information about what's next (I think we all are!), as far as they are not breaching the applicable laws.

To be fair in that case the NDA does not seem to be the right tool to protect sensitive commercial information.

Applying as a Beta tester for a SW release should not grant visibility to new products, regardless of any NDA that's been signed. There is no digital NDA that can secure the behaviour of a bunch of unknown single users around the world. B&O should use codenames, as anyone else is doing. The tester would be able to see that something new might come in the future without knowing in detail what it is. A good example of good practice is Geoff Martin's interview where in a smirk he says he doesn't remember the BV commercial names but only the internal project names.

Hoping this is a lesson learnt for the "disclosing party" as well.

Regards.

Olivier

I am with the admins - Beoworld should avoid distributing rumour and leaks.

Also leaked pictures of coming products are mostly of minor quality and hardly reveal the porential of these new products.

Also it won’t be long after the leaks appear before we get genuine information from B&O.

Shouldn’t it be possible to wait for that?

100% MM

Thanks MM,

I appreciate your response.

The people I spoke to at B&O admit that they made an error, but they corrected this as soon as it had been found.  As this error was restricted to the limited access Beta programme, their hope was that this wouldn't be leaked onwards into the public domain.

Neither I nor Beoworld are blaming anyone for sharing the information, or wanting to deny anyone their right of free speech.  All we ask is that Beoworld isn't used as the place to leak details of unreleased B&O products, regardless of the source of the information.

I hope that Beoworld members will understand that this is a B&O fan site that wants B&O to succeed, so that they can continue to make products that we will want/need to purchase long into the future.

Thanks for your understanding.

Kind regards, Steve.

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Hi carolpa, You have a PM. Kind regards, Steve.

Hi Steve, Thanks for clarifying. I did already suspected yesterday that the post was put down for the reason of sensible information". But on forehand I didn't and still do not expect that product names and codes would/could be so business sensitive to B&o. I would say a little buzz about new products could stimulate the appetite for B&o (products)! Thanks for taking time for the extensive explanation, where a simple one would have been sufficient. regards Paul