stefan wrote:

Sounds like an MCL setup updated to Masterlink, then updated to NL. With BV11 and Essence as av sources, an NL-ML converter connected to to 4 BL passives connected to passive wall- and ceiling speakers.

Stefan

Which comes close to my assumption:

‘...Or he somehow had to use an existing homenetwork installation instead of a ML-bus.‘

To keep the clues coming it was a brand new house and a full new installation in 2014. I found the installation invoice but there is literally no detail:

" Computer Equipment, various components. Rack components and terminations. Monitor and cables" - then a phone number with a $ symbol in front.

 

Did you try to turn everything off and then on again?

A friend has a complex, MCL, ML and NL system. On Christmas Eve years ago it all went haywire. Most of the converters were inaccessible in roof cavities. As a last resort I suggested he turn off the circuit breakers and then bring them back on and wait 20 mins. It worked !!

So perhaps worth a try.

Good luck, Beoaus.

stefan wrote:

Sounds like an MCL setup updated to Masterlink, then updated to NL. With BV11 and Essence as av sources, an NL-ML converter connected to to 4 BL passives connected to passive wall- and ceiling speakers.

Stefan

stefan wrote:

Forgot the MCL extra speaker kits....

Stefan

That would be an interesting setup!  A question: Would these MCL extra speaker kits (assuming that they exist!) then allow independent volume control in each of the 'zones'? 

I say this because the Powerlink inputs to the passives are variable (usually with volume).  Do the xtra speaker kits allow the passives to vary their amplification of an already variable signal input?

 

 

The boxes in the linked photo appear to be Beolink Passives. There are cables with analogue DIN sockets connected. Strangely enough there are no Masterlink connected, but there is something connected into the Powerlink socket. Could that be the IR eye in the wrong place?

 

Hiort wrote:

The boxes in the linked photo appear to be Beolink Passives. There are cables with analogue DIN sockets connected. Strangely enough there are no Masterlink connected, but there is something connected into the Powerlink socket. Could that be the IR eye in the wrong place?

In this instance the Passive's Powerlink sockets are being used as their only inputs (instead of masterlink). In this configuration they are merely acting as amplifiers (and data pass-through), and connection of the 'hockey puck' IR eye would have no effect (as far as I am aware).

Hence 'data' is passing via the extra connections in the speaker sockets (extra pins that are part of the MCL system).  Thus MCL cable (or a home made version) is going from those speaker sockets to Xtra Speaker kits for each zone.  These 'extra speaker kits' should then each have a old style rectangular 'MCL' IR sensor attached, for local control.  

It's all a bit of guesswork, but seems logical!  My question to Stefan above was about the 'usability' of such a system.

EDIT: It's a bit like this, but with something other than a 'Beosystem' supplying the Powerlink input to the passive:

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Looking at the pictures I presume BLC were used as “active speaker kits” and the MCL/ML or BeoLink Passive as amplifiers.

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There are four black converters which I'm pretty sure said ML/MCL converter. A link is linked. Each has:

1. Two grey cables. Each grey cable has a large strand (power?) and a smaller strand (signal?)
2. A power input
3. A black cable I think is signal input 

In the next cabinet there are four silver, sleek looking boxes with no model name I could see. It looks like

Carolpa wrote:

 

Looking at the pictures I presume BLC were used as “active speaker kits” and the MCL/ML or BeoLink Passive as amplifiers.

 

 

Agree. If there are really 4 (!?) NL/ML converters, they all should appear in the Beolink app...

BL passives work as amplifiers (like MCL2P) connected to Powerlink outputs of the 4 converters, and IR receivers also connected to NL/ML converters.

Tom, can you take a photo of the connection panel of one of the converters?

And first I would check:

- do all converters hve a green light on on the backside?

- Do all BL passives have a red light?

- Do all IR receivers have a red light (standby mode)

- check if there is a Powerlink cable connected between each converter (RJ45 output) and BL passive (8 PIN DIN plug)

- check if there is an IR cable (white, thin, RJ45) connected between each converter and one IR receiver.

Stefan

Guy wrote:

stefan wrote:

Sounds like an MCL setup updated to Masterlink, then updated to NL. With BV11 and Essence as av sources, an NL-ML converter connected to to 4 BL passives connected to passive wall- and ceiling speakers.

Stefan

stefan wrote:

Forgot the MCL extra speaker kits....

Stefan

That would be an interesting setup!  A question: Would these MCL extra speaker kits (assuming that they exist!) then allow independent volume control in each of the 'zones'? 

I say this because the Powerlink inputs to the passives are variable (usually with volume).  Do the xtra speaker kits allow the passives to vary their amplification of an already variable signal input?

 

 

Independant volume control should be possible with Masterlink connected, but via Powerlink it should just act as an amplifier.

I didn`t see the empty ML socket...

And I thought the mentioned "silver converters" were grey MCL boxes....

And maybe I couldn`t believe that 4 NL/ML converters (!) are built into that setup ..:)

Stefan