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The DAC idea is a good one. I'll certainly bear that one in mind.

I am going to have a listen - no commitment!

I agree with Soundproof about the BL3s. I am very sceptical about running in speakers but in the case of the BL3s, it certainly was my experience as well.

I'll report back! 

 

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I once went round to a house where i noticed the powerlink cable was detached from one of the partially hidden 6000's at the rear of a surround set-up.  He said he had always thought it lacked a little on the rear left ever since he bought the system... 4 years ago!

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My BL3s are well and truly run in. I've had them since they were first released. I use them with a BeoCenter2. When first installed they buzzed. This was sorted out by the installers by moving the cabling in the wall cavity to avoid electrical interference. They are the correct cables. 

I think the BL3s are good with jazz and even chamber music. That is, where a small number of instruments are played, they cope well. They also are good with voice. It is with orchestral music that they struggle. As I said in my previous post, they don't come near matching the sound of my other system, both in terms of depth and sound-staging. Direct comparison when listening to the sound of a violin or a piano is also enlightening. My B&W805s speakers sound much closer to the sound of these instruments when heard in a concert hall. 

My previous post was in order to recommend Musical Fidelity products to Peter. I did not intend to embark on B&O bashing or to upset anyone who is happy with their BL3s. I still have several other B&O products which I am very happy with.

Cheers, djs


Peter:

I agree with Soundproof about the BL3s. I am very sceptical about running in speakers but in the case of the BL3s, it certainly was my experience as well.

I am sceptical as well although I have never had a new pair!

Is there not an arguement that after 250 hours the listener just gets used to the sound!!!

Hi Joey,

I put it to the test by running in a pair of new ones, and then taking another pair, fresh out of the box, and comparing the two. Definite difference between the speakers - with the bass becoming more precise and the tweeter rounding off, being better part of the overall blend of sound, while not losing its edge.
I also have a pair of Dynaudio Focus 140 speakers that both the manufacturer and Stereophile recommended a long run-in for; and the sound did change. I had pieces of music I couldn't listen to during the first hour of play, that became more than just right when the run-in was over.

(I was once in a B&O store where the BL5s were both set to right channel, and no one had noticed, for weeks.)

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And I agree on the B&W 805s, excellent speakers. The person who owns the store where I buy my classical music has a pair, and swears by them for his musical needs. He has them together with a subwoofer, to fill out the orchestral sound.

I use my BL3s as headphones ...
 

I think the BL3s are good with jazz and even chamber music. That is, where a small number of instruments are played, they cope well. They also are good with voice. It is with orchestral music that they struggle. As I said in my previous post, they don't come near matching the sound of my other system, both in terms of depth and sound-staging. Direct comparison when listening to the sound of a violin or a piano is also enlightening. My B&W805s speakers sound much closer to the sound of these instruments when heard in a concert hall. 

My previous post was in order to recommend Musical Fidelity products to Peter. I did not intend to embark on B&O bashing or to upset anyone who is happy with their BL3s. I still have several other B&O products which I am very happy with.

Cheers, djs


Perfectly reasonable post and clearly how you have found them. I would not recommend them for playing loud as I think they become confused sounding at higher volumes. As near field monitors, I think they are excellent though.

Will report back tonight! Thanks for the advice all of you!

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Well I am back!!

 

And I did not buy a new CD player! The CDX performed very well although I thought the MF A5 had better control of the bass generally. The differences were pretty marginal  so I was not going to swap!

The listening was done in the dedicated listening room and we used a top of the range Naim system and Spendor S9e speakers. Excellent service from Lintone Audio and from David Baker who was everything a Hi-Fi salesman is not expected to be! Informative, friendly, not pushy in the slightest and just happy to help. I cannot recommend this store highly enough. The equipment was well set up and sited and not a loudness button on or treble knob cranked up to be seen. I listened to 3 CDs I had taken along - DSOTM - because I know it backwards - Pachelbel Canon as it has good interplay between string instruments and Arrival of the Queen of Sheba by Handel  as it has a nice complex piece with plenty of instruments. Also Court and Spark by Joni Mitchell.

There were places where the A5 seemed more revealing - but at other times I had to check which player I was using. Both performed well. I did then listen to the Naim CD player (the CD555) - which blew the other two away! I suppose that is what I was wanting to hear from the A5 and didn't. The Naim was £17,000 if anyone is interested! Decided against it!!

The A5 had a very poor user interface  with the CD draw being particularly cheap feeling. I realise this makes no difference to the sound but it made me less likely to buy it. For the sake of a few pounds of engineering, it seemed an oversight. The CDX was much better in this respect and had big control surfaces as opposed to the tiny buttons.

I had a chat about DACs and will be going back. I will also be auditioning the Naim CD5x (I think!). Still looking for a Beogram CD5500 though!

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Only issue with the DAC route is that if you do ever land the BL5's then it either becomes redundant or you end up converting the signal twice.

Ideally need a switchable digital "patchbay" with the output connected to the Lab5's. This would allow all digital sources to use the Lab5's, using their internal DAC and be converted only once.

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