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Basically, what the thread says. Both positive and negative comments have been aired on here and, sadly, mostly negative on the B&O Facebook Page. The man who clapped his hands together two times in the launch video has been given a pair of H9's, personal thanks from the CEO, and a tour of the factory apparently.
(I'm joking)
Anyway - what do we think of the new BeoVision Eclipse? It'd be nice to see in numbers and percentages instead of a melee of comments.
Over to you good people.
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I suppose only those, who have experienced the BV Eclipse liv, are allowed to vote, or?
MM
Location: Flensborg————Danmark
I suppose only those, who have experienced the BV Eclipse liv, are allowed to vote, or?
What is it with B&O 'fans' who insist the entire view will change when you see something? That's never happened to me. I've never changed any judgement based on seeing something in person.
I've seen OLED screens - I know what they deliver. It's a struggle to get your head around this, but I've heard the BL7.2 and all kinds of speakers flanking my BVs, so I have a good idea of "great audio". I can see how it looks from various photos and videos.
So, why, apart from the dealer trying his best to convince me otherwise, does seeing something "in person" convert you from a pessimist to an object optimist? Please do explain.
I suppose only those, who have experienced the BV Eclipse liv, are allowed to vote, or?
MM
I agree with these sentiments to a degree. After all, it's unfair to judge unless you've seen it. Then again, there's so few retailers in the US, that one may have to travel hours (or take well planned holidays) to see one in the flesh... Therefore, the pictures and videos available are going to have to be good enough to entice a potential buyer to embark on a journey. Therefore, I think we're going to have to live with votes from people who have not seen it. It's just a website poll, after all.
Not to start a new thread, but a lot of this feedback reminds me of the BL5 introduction. Almost everyone on Beoworld hated them and thought they were insanely priced. Now, loved by most. Granted, this comparison isn't quite apples-to-apples since much of the dislike of Eclipse is focused on the "LG inside" (but then, B&O didn't invent the acoustic lens - also called an ugly abomination back then).
Stan
MM has a point in a way. Sometimes you need to see something in the flesh in order to make a totally correct assessment.
However, there's a saying which goes "first impressions last" - and if you don't like the look, or the price, then you can indeed make a fairly well-informed judgement without even seeing it. We all have different taste, and different criteria when buying.
Also the fact that many people buy (or plan to buy) these days based solely on reviews and opinions of others. We lived in a connected world, where the thoughts of others can sway our decisions. Look at sites like TripAdvisor, What HiFi, What Car and so on. If they give a car, hotel or AV product '1 Star' then most people won't pursue a potential purchase any further. They move on...
All food for thought. Personally, I'll be voting either way when I see it in person tomorrow. I have my initial impressions, of course - but as a B&O fan and supporter of the brand I'm saying nothing until I've had a demo!
One thing you can rely on, though.. I'll be honest.
Lee
There's no doubt the LG panel is at least among the best picture quality avaliable. Similarly, there's no doubt the TV has an "internal" sound system to beat all competitors.
The styling is a personal preference which will excite some while boring others.
I think the key here is whether B&O are taking the mick and charging you a premium for the same LG TV you can buy elsewhere just because they are selling you their stand and soundbar in a lumped package. If they are making a significant markup on selling you a standard LG TV panel available elsewhere for significantly less then that is bang out of order and a sign of desperation on their part, seemingly reliant on the blissful ignorance of the vast bulk of their potential customers.
I think the key here is whether B&O are taking the mick and charging you a premium for the same LG TV you can buy elsewhere just because they are selling you their stand and soundbar in a lumped package.
That's why MM refers to "seeing in the flesh".
I 've seen it this morning and had the opportunity to watch different content for half an hour.
I didn't find it lumpy at all. That's personal I think. Among all the panels you can buy these days, they all look the same and need a soundbar.
Despite the fact that members call it a bad BV7 imitation, I find it a complete nice all in one solution.
Finally a worthy replacement for my BV9. Both in sound and more important picture quality. No static, unnatural, computerish LCD image.
This is definitely a winner for me.
But I have to admit, I hate the LG menulook.
Location: Utrecht
I really believe that B&O could have smashed it out of the park by pricing it at 50.000DKR incl. basic stand (Official price: 70.000DKR).
That would make it the cheapest Beovision (Except for Horizon) which would make a lot of positive feed back. Furthermore it would only be a premium of 30-35.000 DKR over the similar LG OLED, which I think a lot more people would see as good value for a B&O soundbar and B&O styled TV.
A value proposition like that would also make people more accepting of the half-baked user-interface. Existing owners can comfort them selves in knowing that they have a more streamlined user experience and a true B&O product, and that should relieve some of the pain of having bought a more expensive TV.
Pricing it lower will of cause more or less kill the sales of their other TVs (Beovision 11, 14 and Avant). But the Beovison 11 (and to some extend 14) are still B&O classics with a loved design, that can command a higher price point. The Horizon would still be the cheapest TV by a significant margin.
I'm still happy with my BV9. IMHO the best B&O made. Sure it's thick and heavy, but it has design, and a lot of space for peripherals, that I need.
Hopefully mine still lasts a long time.
I really believe that B&O could have smashed it out of the park by pricing it at 50.000DKR incl. basic stand (Official price: 70.000DKR).
That would make it the cheapest Beovision (Except for Horizon) which would make a lot of positive feed back. Furthermore it would only be a premium of 30-35.000 DKR over the similar LG OLED, which I think a lot more people would see as good value for a B&O soundbar and B&O styled TV.
A value proposition like that would also make people more accepting of the half-baked user-interface. Existing owners can comfort them selves in knowing that they have a more streamlined user experience and a true B&O product, and that should relieve some of the pain of having bought a more expensive TV.
Pricing it lower will of cause more or less kill the sales of their other TVs (Beovision 11, 14 and Avant). But the Beovison 11 (and to some extend 14) are still B&O classics with a loved design, that can command a higher price point. The Horizon would still be the cheapest TV by a significant margin.
I completely agree with this.
I was just checking out the latest news from IFA and Loewe have now launched an even cheaper oled bild 3 (55inch):
On top of that they showed a design preview of the bild x, like the did 3 months prior to the launch bild 9: https://www.bodosperlein.com/loewe-bild-x
These TV's are all made in Germany and utilise German video processing etc. I just dont understand why B&O cant do the same, I mean Loewe was bankrupt before they were bought out by their German fund and they managed to relaunch their entire portfolio in 12-18 months. B&O announce a partnership in same period and we get 1 television. I say this not to promote Loewe over B&O, I genuinely want B&O to succeed here, I just dont understand how the business strategy is working. If they want to focus on audio they should just pull out of the TV market rather than releasing a re-badged product with a mark up and even thats a dangerous game. We all know with Beats, Airpods and Homepods Apple is slowly moving into Beoplay's market so the competition will only get worst from here.
If the bild 3 oled is 2k, for me its just a bit of a no brainer. The design is slightly above average, I can connect by Beolab 20's as I dont have a surround set up and I can upgrade every couple of years....happy days.... However at the right price I would have bought the eclipse....
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